SkepticalDaniel Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm sure at least everyone has heard Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.." Well, what most Christians don't realize is that the phrase "there is no God" occurs 12 times in 12 verses in the OT. My favorite one of them being this one: Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." So, whenever a Christian quotes Psalm 14, I quote back the above verse and say "I guess your God is a fool, then" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyra Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I agree with you on the atheism, but what's the context of those verses? If they're all in contexts like "Only the fool says there is no god," then Christians will just point to the context as proof that you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorPoet Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Whenever a christian says "the fool has said in his heart that there is no god", simply reply, "and the wise say it out loud". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The fool is a zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted July 19, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2016 You're reaching. This would hardly register more than an eye roll from believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "See now — Open your eyes and be convinced by your own sad experience what vain and impotent things idols are. I am he — The only true, omnipotent, and irresistible God. There is no god with me — As I have no superior, so neither have I any equal." ~ https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rbc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinntar Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 This eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 This eye. third-eye.jpg Since God dwells in “unapproachable light” and is one “whom no one has seen or can see” (1 Timothy 6:16), we cannot see the totality of God. “The Son is the image of the invisible God.” ~Colossians 1:15 (NIV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 1, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted August 1, 2016 ^Didn't Moses see god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 IH, could you define "an idol"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 ^Didn't Moses see god? Yes Prof. Moses saw God face to face. Exodus 33 : 10 & 11. 10 Whenever the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance to the tent, they all stood and worshiped, each at the entrance to their tent. 11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Numbers 12 : 4 - 9. 4 At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. 5 Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, 6 he said, “Listen to my words: “When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. 7 But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house. 8 With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” 9 The anger of the Lord burned against them, and he left them. Deuteronomy 34 : 5 - 12. 5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moabthirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over. 9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit[b] of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses. 10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 And not just Moses, Prof. Exodus 24 : 9 - 11. 9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank. Seventy-three (73) others also saw God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 2, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted August 2, 2016 BAA, Wasn't there someone who not only saw god, but also walked with him? Enoch I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 The second verse you quoted, SD, is saying there is no god besides biblegod. Biblegod wouldn't say he himself doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 BAA, Wasn't there someone who not only saw god, but also walked with him? Enoch I believe. That's right, Prof. Genesis 5 : 24 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. Hebrews 11 : 5 5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. I'm glad you've raised the issue of Enoch, btw Prof. Consider for a moment who the author of 1 Timothy is and who the author of the book of Hebrews is considered to be. Exactly! They are one and the same person. The apostle... Paul. Paul, who was the 'Pharisee of Pharisees', Saul. Saul of Tarsus who was 'thoroughly trained in the law of [his] ancestors' by the respected Gamaliel of Tarsus. Now, here was someone who would have known the Hebrew scriptures, the Pentateuch and Mosaic Law backwards. Paul would have known from the scriptures that the full roster of humans who had seen God would have been as follows. Adam Eve Enoch Moses Aaron Nadab Abihu the seventy elders of Israel Elijah When Paul told Timothy that God... lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see ...he would have known that a literal reading of the Hebrew scriptures yields a figure of seventy-eight (78) humans who had seen God. Therefore, what are we to make of this? Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 In the Old Testament they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus. “No one has seen the Father except the One who has his Being alongside the Father—and you can see me.”~ John 6:46 (The Message) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Like when the whole camp stoned the guy who hid the gold in his tent? Or when the concubine was chopped up and sent around to other tribes? That Old Testament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 3, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted August 3, 2016 The old testament disagrees with you, Ironhorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Ironhorse, Please remember that Lyra and I have a number of questions for you that are still pending. Please be so good as to address them. 'Bumping' them for your attention precedes PMing them to you. Thanks, BAA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 IH: I asked you a straight forward question, would you please be so kind and answer it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillLooking Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 This eye. third-eye.jpg Since God dwells in “unapproachable light” and is one “whom no one has seen or can see” (1 Timothy 6:16), we cannot see the totality of God. “The Son is the image of the invisible God.” ~Colossians 1:15 (NIV) Do you, when you use your rational mind, sincerely think this is one reason to believe in God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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