Guest Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 After a four year friendship ending with my Mormon friend falling in love with me and then aggressively trying to convert me, I had to end our friendship. We didn't speak for about 2 and a half years, but he recently emailed me, telling me that he has left the Mormon Church! He still believes in a god but obviously the fact that he has left the church shows a near miracle (if I could believe in those). Just wanted to announce this fabulous news! I'll be updating when I hear more details from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Apparently most people are not familiar with Momon beliefs & history, it they were I can't imagine any rational person embracing it. That is truly a blizzare religion, but I suppose that could be said about all religions. All of them have some pretty bizzare beliefs & traditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangitbobby83 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Apparently most people are not familiar with Momon beliefs & history, it they were I can't imagine any rational person embracing it. That is truly a blizzare religion, but I suppose that could be said about all religions. All of them have some pretty bizzare beliefs & traditions. Yeah but man, the mormons are some of the wackiest. Jesus has his own planet and if you believe in his salvation you'll get your own planet. The Jews sailed to America and the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. Actually, Mormonism is so America centric I'm surprised the uber nationalist right hasn't embraced it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Apparently most people are not familiar with Momon beliefs & history, it they were I can't imagine any rational person embracing it. That is truly a blizzare religion, but I suppose that could be said about all religions. All of them have some pretty bizzare beliefs & traditions. Yeah but man, the mormons are some of the wackiest. Jesus has his own planet and if you believe in his salvation you'll get your own planet. The Jews sailed to America and the Garden of Eden is in Missouri. Actually, Mormonism is so America centric I'm surprised the uber nationalist right hasn't embraced it. So, are you saying Jesus doesn't have his own Planet? So, like, where is heaven then? And I don't want my own Planet, I can barely pay the taxes on my house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Geezer, My friend actually isn't completely rational. He is most likely bi-polar, with an addition of being born into the Mormon Church, isolated by his family as a homeschooler, and shamed for being himself. He was told he was blessed. He was told that god loved him. That's why he stayed. Ever heard of trauma bonding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 So between the two, that's why he stayed. He has begun thinking more rationally lately, though his mental illness gets in the way. I'm sorry that you call out those not in their right mind. Too bad they cant help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Geezer, Ever heard of trauma bonding? I've heard of Stockholm Syndrome in which hostages bond with their kidnapper, and I've heard that losing an abusive parent can be just as difficult or more difficult than losing a parent one had good relationships with. Anyway, I googled the term 'trauma bonding' and found an article http://www.abuseandrelationships.org/Content/Survivors/trauma_bonding.html. There seem also to be at least two books on the topic by Bessel van der Kulk M.D. as follows: The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0670785938/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472583963&sr=8-1&keywords=the+body+keeps+the+score I have now ordered this one from my local public library. The Body Keeps the Score: Mind, Brain and Body in the Transformation of Trauma, https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0670785938/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472583963&sr=8-1&keywords=the+body+keeps+the+score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Apparently most people are not familiar with Momon beliefs & history, it they were I can't imagine any rational person embracing it. That is truly a blizzare religion, but I suppose that could be said about all religions. All of them have some pretty bizzare beliefs & traditions. Count me as one who is not familiar with Mormon beliefs and history. I've read bits and pieces but can't make head or tail of it. I left Christianity per se for similar reasons. I mean, how can a man's death on a cross help me get to heaven? The death is physical and the afterlife and heaven, I always had the impression, were spiritual. Some poor fellow groaning it out on the cross like thousands of others did not seem significant on a cosmic level like Christians claimed. So they said it was in keeping with some ancient Jewish idea of sacrifice and atonement but I personally do not live in ancient Jewish times and how the hell is a death supposed to give life??? It seemed baloney from the first time I heard the story as a kid. And that's the centre-piece of Christianity as we know it. Other kinds of Christianity such as the Gnostics were stamped out by this one eons ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Geezer, My friend actually isn't completely rational. He is most likely bi-polar, with an addition of being born into the Mormon Church, isolated by his family as a homeschooler, and shamed for being himself. He was told he was blessed. He was told that god loved him. That's why he stayed. Ever heard of trauma bonding? I did not realize the seriousness of your friends situation. I apologize for my attempt at humor. I have not heard of trauma bonding but I am familiar with Religious Trauma Syndrome. Both examples confirm my belief that fundamentalist religions of all kinds are in reality dangerous religious cults. I am sorry for your friends situation. I hope he can find his way out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Geezer, My friend actually isn't completely rational. He is most likely bi-polar, with an addition of being born into the Mormon Church, isolated by his family as a homeschooler, and shamed for being himself. He was told he was blessed. He was told that god loved him. That's why he stayed. Ever heard of trauma bonding? I did not realize the seriousness of your friends situation. I apologize for my attempt at humor. I have not heard of trauma bonding but I am familiar with Religious Trauma Syndrome. Both examples confirm my belief that fundamentalist religions of all kinds are in reality dangerous religious cults. I am sorry for your friends situation. I hope he can find his way out. Thank you, Geezer. To be honest, I haven't met a single Mormon who wasn't brainwashed into that cult. Most are born into it, and those that convert are won over during rough times in life because the church seems so good at community. Then they are brainwashed. I dont think any human being would subscribe willingly to such bogus beliefs. It has to do with emotion, psychological processing etc. Rationality is nonexistent to these populations, due to circumstances or age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 <p> Geezer, Ever heard of trauma bonding? I've heard of Stockholm Syndrome in which hostages bond with their kidnapper, and I've heard that losing an abusive parent can be just as difficult or more difficult than losing a parent one had good relationships with. Anyway, I googled the term 'trauma bonding' and found an article http://www.abuseandrelationships.org/Content/Survivors/trauma_bonding.html. There seem also to be at least two books on the topic by Bessel van der Kulk M.D. as follows: The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma, https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0670785938/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472583963&sr=8-1&keywords=the+body+keeps+the+score I have now ordered this one from my local public library. The Body Keeps the Score: Mind, Brain and Body in the Transformation of Trauma, https://www.amazon.ca/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0670785938/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472583963&sr=8-1&keywords=the+body+keeps+the+score Thank you, R.S.! One of these, I was going to post. They are very helpful. Trauma bonding is mainly seen with child incest victims and commercial sexual exploitation victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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