chrisassaf Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 <?> said --- "a child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisassaf Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Respect is a two way street. If they are not abusive, do the right things, look out for the welfare of child/children, then they are worth it. If not, FUCK'EM! Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOutsider Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Respect is a two way street. If they are not abusive, do the right things, look out for the welfare of child/children, then they are worth it. If not, FUCK'EM! Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. I'm skeptical. Respect is earned, it cannot demanded. Or at least genuine respect cannot be demanded. Anyone can suck your dick if they think it will get them something, I think it's called politics? And it doesn't really matter who said it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisassaf Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Respect is a two way street. If they are not abusive, do the right things, look out for the welfare of child/children, then they are worth it. If not, FUCK'EM! Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. So...if a parent is beating and abusing a child and the child did nothing wrong, they are to be respected? That is sick! If I was running the country, yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted October 7, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2016 Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. THE Billy Graham? Well then, that changes everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 <?> said --- "a child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." A child who disrespects his parents should be murdered in cold blood says leviticus 20:9. He won't be alive long enough to develop true respect for anyone, so your embarrassing quote is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Respect is a two way street. If they are not abusive, do the right things, look out for the welfare of child/children, then they are worth it. If not, FUCK'EM! Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. Billy says...you do. Brainwashed slavery at its finest. Using the word regardless, is just a way for you to not use your critical thinking skills or consider someone else's opinion. Billy Graham is a charlatan, regardless of what you think. Even when I was a jesus freak christian fundy, I knew billy graham was a fraud, so did most other christians I knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 And why would anyone in their right mind give a damn about Billy Graham? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 That's a clever ploy, Chris. By not mentioning the Bible (which is the source of Billy Grahams' p.o.v. on the parent-child relationship) you introduce a "Christian" topic into a sub-forum that should be Totally Off the Topic of... Christianity. Not got what it takes to step into the Den? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Respect towards parents is totally an Abrahamic invention too! Before the Ten Commandments, toddlers were like "Fuck you dad, I'll sacrifice to idols if I WANT TO! Cuz it's MY LIFE!". Before the arrival of the Spanish, the Aztecs and Mayans were having huge problems with getting their kids to behave, but then Colombus arrived with a battalion of super nannies, armed with the greatest book on child rearing ever written: The Bible. Hallelujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted October 8, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2016 Since this is actually referencing Billy Graham and therefore referencing the Bible and therefore referencing Christianity, the topic has been moved to the Den. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 It's always interesting how Christards switch the respect concept around. Though we know respect is earned, they demand it the moment they pop out a baby and then say that the child will trust them AFTER they learn to respect them. This mentality is so horribly abusive in and of itself, not to mention it's the reason many children are abused by adults, because they assume that saying "no, you are not allowed to hurt me" means disrespect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? "A child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." As a former 7th grade teacher and parent, I agree with the statement by Billy Graham. Almost every student I had who was continually disruptive in class, disrespectful to teachers and peers, I learned during most parent conferences, was also disrespectful at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzon Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 If you civil with you kid, damn right the kid should have some respect. But tge parents that usually harp on that word dont usually also get that being civil and friendly is a neccesity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? "A child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." As a former 7th grade teacher and parent, I agree with the statement by Billy Graham. Almost every student I had who was continually disruptive in class, disrespectful to teachers and peers, I learned during most parent conferences, was also disrespectful at home. So what do you think of the way your Christian brother Chrisassaf sneaked a Christian topic into a non-Christian area of Ex-C, Ironhorse? Isn't he showing disrespect for the ruling authorities of Ex-Christian.net? Making him a hypocrite? Saying that children should respect their parents? When he didn't respect the rules and ruling authorities of Ex-C? Romans 13:1-7 Submission to Governing Authorities13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
older Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Part of the issue is how you teach them to be respectful. If they have good role models, respect will follow. As the saying goes, the fruit does not fall far from the tree. Respect cannot be commanded. It is learned by good example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 And why would anyone in their right mind give a damn about Billy Graham? Was that lyric from a country song or a rap song? It seems familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? "A child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." As a former 7th grade teacher and parent, I agree with the statement by Billy Graham. Almost every student I had who was continually disruptive in class, disrespectful to teachers and peers, I learned during most parent conferences, was also disrespectful at home. So what do you think of the way your Christian brother Chrisassaf sneaked a Christian topic into a non-Christian area of Ex-C, Ironhorse? Isn't he showing disrespect for the ruling authorities of Ex-Christian.net? Making him a hypocrite? Saying that children should respect their parents? When he didn't respect the rules and ruling authorities of Ex-C? Romans 13:1-7 Submission to Governing Authorities13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. So what do you think of the way your Christian brother Chrisassaf sneaked a Christian topic into a non-Christian area of Ex-C, Ironhorse? Honoring one’s parents is not just restricted to the Bible or the Christian life so I’m not sure why you say he “sneaked” a Christian topic into a non-Christian forum. Parent-child relationships are discussed and are important in almost all cultures and religions. I’m sure Graham’s statement has been said in basically the same way by people of other faiths or non-faith. Isn't he showing disrespect for the ruling authorities of Ex-Christian.net? In the past I have had my posts moved in other forums where I am a member. They were honest mistakes on my part. No harm or disrespect intended. Making him a hypocrite? I can’t make a judgment about Chrisassaf on this. Saying that children should respect their parents? When he didn't respect the rules and ruling authorities of Ex-C? I guess the point can be made that since the quote stated is from Billy Graham, a Christian, it belongs in the Lion’s Den since the discussion will no doubt bring up scriptural references. As far as I know, he has not protested the thread being moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted October 10, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ironhorse, Do you honor your parents, as the bible commands? Or do you hate your parents, as the bible also commands? What is the correct biblical stance on the parent/child relationship? I expect these should be easy questions for you to answer, given the "simplicity" of the christian religion. Have a nice day, TheRedneckProfessor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? "A child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." As a former 7th grade teacher and parent, I agree with the statement by Billy Graham. Almost every student I had who was continually disruptive in class, disrespectful to teachers and peers, I learned during most parent conferences, was also disrespectful at home. So what do you think of the way your Christian brother Chrisassaf sneaked a Christian topic into a non-Christian area of Ex-C, Ironhorse? Isn't he showing disrespect for the ruling authorities of Ex-Christian.net? Making him a hypocrite? Saying that children should respect their parents? When he didn't respect the rules and ruling authorities of Ex-C? Romans 13:1-7 Submission to Governing Authorities13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. So what do you think of the way your Christian brother Chrisassaf sneaked a Christian topic into a non-Christian area of Ex-C, Ironhorse? Honoring one’s parents is not just restricted to the Bible or the Christian life so I’m not sure why you say he “sneaked” a Christian topic into a non-Christian forum. Please see posts # 12 and # 14. Parent-child relationships are discussed and are important in almost all cultures and religions. I’m sure Graham’s statement has been said in basically the same way by people of other faiths or non-faith. Nice attempt at muddying the waters! Especially when you know full well that Graham's position on the issue of parent-child relationships owes nothing to other cultures, religions or faiths. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Graham stands squarely on scripture. Nothing else. His understanding of this issue isn't informed by the Quran, the Hindu Vedas or by any other holy book. Just the Bible. You know this, Ironhorse. Isn't he showing disrespect for the ruling authorities of Ex-Christian.net? In the past I have had my posts moved in other forums where I am a member. They were honest mistakes on my part. No harm or disrespect intended. Yet he seems to understand the function of the Den well enough to start and/or contribute to the following threads. http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/66613-thanking-god/page-1#.V_vfzfkrJD8 http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/65065-some-new-facts-about-psychopaths/page-1#.V_vgBvkrJD8 http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/60463-gods-work/?hl=chrisassaf#.V_vgYvkrJD8 http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/21250-home-schooling/page-14#.V_vh5_krJD8 Making him a hypocrite? I can’t make a judgment about Chrisassaf on this. Saying that children should respect their parents? When he didn't respect the rules and ruling authorities of Ex-C? I guess the point can be made that since the quote stated is from Billy Graham, a Christian, it belongs in the Lion’s Den since the discussion will no doubt bring up scriptural references. As far as I know, he has not protested the thread being moved. Yes, where is he...I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Ironhorse, Do you honor your parents, as the bible commands? Or do you hate your parents, as the bible also commands? What is the correct biblical stance on the parent/child relationship? I expect these should be easy questions for you to answer, given the "simplicity" of the christian religion. Have a nice day, TheRedneckProfessor Ironhorse, Do you honor your parents, as the bible commands? Or do you hate your parents, as the bible also commands? What is the correct biblical stance on the parent/child relationship? I expect these should be easy questions for you to answer, given the "simplicity" of the christian religion. Have a nice day, TheRedneckProfessor Yes I honor my parents. I am very thankful for my parents. Jesus affirmed this commandment in these passages: Matthew 15:4-6, Matthew 19:17-19, Mark 7:10-13. Before looking at what Jesus meant, two explanations on how the word “hate” is often used in scripture and its meaning. “The footnote in the Soncino edition explains the saying that God hates the angels and loves mankind: "By giving them His Torah, though the angels desired it.--'Hates' is not meant literally, but simply implies that He showed greater love for man." ~ Soncino Exodus Rabbah, p. 571. “But these antonyms, ahavah ("love") and sin'ah ("hate"), are also used with a special flavor in Deuteronomy 21:15-17 as meaning the loved one and the hated, that is, the less-loved one. In Greek, the same Semitisms are carried over in the antonymic use of agapan/misein with the same special flavor in Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13 "where, in dependence on Dt. 21:15-17 and Ex. r., 51(104) [footnote--on Ex. 38:21 'Why is the mount of the Law called Sinai? Because God disregarded (sane') the lofty and loved (ahav) the lowly'] they mean 'to prefer' ('to be faithful to') and 'to slight' ('to despise'). We have here a Hebraism, as in the requirement for discipleship." This last reference is to the two parallel lists of requirements for discipleship; Matthew 10:37 uses the formula ho philon huper eme, "He who loves . . . more than me," while Luke 14:26 simply parallels it by saying kai ou misei "If any one comes to me and does not hate. .” ~ Walter C. Kaiser, Jr. Professor of Old Testament at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts Now to a passage the people who heard Jesus speak knew: Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with her who lies in your embrace be careful of your words. For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies are the members of his own household. ~ Micah 7:5-6 So this saying of Jesus reflected a common Jewish understanding of the day as expressed in this verse from Micah on the messianic age. Even some families would be divided concerning the coming of the messiah. So Jesus is telling them, the messianic age is now he. He is the Messiah. If our families disagree on this, we must love Christ more than our parents. This same division has occurred since the time of Christ. "Do not trust a neighbor; put no confidence in a friend. Even with her who lies in your embrace be careful of your words. For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies are the members of his own household." ~ Micah 7:5-6 This saying of Jesus reflected a common Jewish understanding of the day as expressed in this verse from Micah on the messianic age. Even some families would be divided concerning the coming of the messiah. This same division has occurred since the time of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Respect is a two way street. If they are not abusive, do the right things, look out for the welfare of child/children, then they are worth it. If not, FUCK'EM! Regardless, Billy graham said that if you can't respect them, you can't respect other people. Does Phil Robertson concur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Ironhorse, what's your take on it? "A child who is allowed to be disrespectful to his parents will not have true respect for anyone." As a former 7th grade teacher and parent, I agree with the statement by Billy Graham. Almost every student I had who was continually disruptive in class, disrespectful to teachers and peers, I learned during most parent conferences, was also disrespectful at home. Seventh grade teacher, eh? You have my sympathy. Those years are the absolute worst for school, imo. I've raised a few kids and seen the psychosis of 13, 14 and 15 year olds. We did some homeschooling during those middle school years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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