Israel

[ironhorse]

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

[rjn]

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

 

And yet, they too will be shunned by God on the day of judgement, despite all those benefits. The irony... 

[Shinzon]

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

mention that to the people of gaza and all of palestine. And you will see how wrong you are.

[florduh]

Great contributions and achievements have come from every culture throughout history. If you would argue the value of contributions of ancient cultures you will find greater advances from the Chinese, and long before Israel was even imagined.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

[florduh]

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

Yeah, perhaps we should get over the ancient mythologies and prophecies about an "Israel." Today, Israel is just an artificially created country and one of the bad actors in the ME. It happens to be owned by the US. It's an expensive stepchild for Uncle Sam. It's a rogue stepchild. 

[bornagainathiest]

 

 

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

 

 

 

Before this thread goes too far Ironhorse, please tell us if your replies to any questions put to you will be...

 

A  A clear and definitive answer

B. You just giving your view on the matter

C. You speculating about this passage of scripture

D. Something else

 

I ask because your Oct 14 answer to LogicalFallacy's question about Genesis 4 in this thread...  http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/74143-in-the-beginning/#.WBpDPS2LSpo   ... was this.

 

Since Adam lived several hundred years, having lots of children was not a problem.  This would mean that Cain married a sister, niece, or some other relation, and their children had children, etc.

The genetic line in these early times was pure. So the prohibition against incest was not yet proclaimed.

 

Which looked to us like a clear and definitive answer you can be held accountable to.

But since yesterday you've told us that you were 'just giving your view' on his question.  Neither LogicalFallacy nor I had any idea that were you doing this.  We had to wait almost three weeks to find out what you were just giving your view.  And we only found out after persistent and repeated requests from both of us, for you to commit yourself on the matter.  So, to avoid this sort of thing happening again, can you please tell us from get go when you are giving a clear and definitive answer that you can be accountable to ...and when you aren't?

 

If you can't be straight with us about Genesis 4, why should we believe you are going to be straight with us about any questions put to you about Genesis 12?

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

[LogicalFallacy]

TheRedneckProfessor

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

 

Before this thread devolves into anti Semitic rhetoric let us critical thinkers here take a proper balanced view. Both sides of this religious conflict (And the main problems are caused by religious fanatics on both sides) are blessed with bombs from the other side. There have been failures on all sides so attacking the stronger side because they are stronger is dishonest.

 

Remember the people of Israel have given the world many technological advances, and many breakthroughs are made by people with Jewish heritage. Don't believe me? Go and look at the list of Nobel prize winners and note their ethnicity.

 

That of course is not an excuse for any war atrocities committed by the Israelis, nor should any good done by any nation (Looking at the US) be an excuse for war atrocities. The point here is lets keep a fair critical and balanced look at things.

 

Right to Ironhorse's post.

 

"…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I am quite sure the young women/children of the Middienites would disagree with you strongly:

 

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately."

 

That's a start. I can go on if you wish.

 

Please justify, in light of Genesis 12, the numerous accounts of peoples being ravaged because GOD told his chosen blessed people to go wipe out entire nations .

[Fweethawt]

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

Like manna from heaven!

[ironhorse]

As expected several statements concerning Israel have been made early in this thread but I’m going to keep my comments related to my first post, at this time, to the numerous ways the world has benefited and enriched by the Jewish people.

 

I think rjn agreed on their contributions and LogicalFallacy wrote the following:

 

Remember the people of Israel have given the world many technological advances, and many breakthroughs are made by people with Jewish heritage."

 

I agree with florduh that other cultures and ancient civilizations, like the Chinese, have also made considerable contributions, but when you go search and discover what the Jewish people have accomplished through history it is amazing.  

 

 

This is from ~ http://judaism.about.com/od/culture/a/contribution.htmon their contributions in medicine:

 

Considering that the Jewish people constitute a mere one half of one percent of the world's population, Jewish contribution to religion, science, literature, music, medicine, finance, philosophy, entertainment etc., is staggering.

 

In the field of medicine alone, Jewish contributions are staggering and continue to be so. It was a Jew who created the first polio vaccine, who discovered insulin, who discovered that aspirin dealt with pain, who discovered chloral hydrate for convulsions, who discovered streptomycin, who discovered the origin and spread of infectious diseases, who invented the test for diagnosis of syphilis, who identified the first cancer virus, who discovered the cure for pellagra and added to the knowledge about yellow fever, typhoid, typhus, measles, diphtheria and influenza. Today, Israel, a nation only sixty years old, has emerged at the forefront of stem-cell research, which will, in the near future, give humanity unprecedented medical treatment for degenerative diseases.

 

 

More here:
http://jinfo.org/Biomedical_Research.html

[florduh]

So we have a lot of smart Jewish people. I went to school with a bunch of them. So what does this have to do with the State of Israel? I know many Jews who have great distaste for the country and its right wing, aggressive, imperialistic policies. They also resent that their taxes taken by the American government go to prop up the regime. The modern country that was created after WWII is nothing like the "nation" in ancient Hebrew mythology. It is a militaristic puppet of the US that is very unhealthy for the original inhabitants of the land and surrounding areas. Sorry, not a fan.

[rjn]

To be fair, most of those discoveries/contributions were made in the last 150 years or so, and not by just any Jews, but by European Ashkenazi Jews. Jewish culture, and perhaps Ashkenazi culture in particular, seems to promote industriousness, so that has probably something to do with it, but some of those Jews might as well have identified as Germans, Poles, Russians, Hungarians and whatnot. Not trying to claim Jewish contributions as "my own" (being European and all, whatever that means), simply pointing out that those Jews lived in an industrialized, technologically advanced part of the World where science, technology, philosophy, medicine and literature was held in high esteem. On a final note, Jews are also very good at promoting themselves and some groups are hardly innocent of good ol' nepotism, which might partly explain their disproportionate representation in academia. Does that count as an anti-semitic canard? I don't think it does, because it's hardly unique for the Jews to look out for their own and their interests, and they have better reasons than most to do so. 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

 

TheRedneckProfessor

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

 

Before this thread devolves into anti Semitic rhetoric let us critical thinkers here take a proper balanced view. Both sides of this religious conflict (And the main problems are caused by religious fanatics on both sides) are blessed with bombs from the other side. There have been failures on all sides so attacking the stronger side because they are stronger is dishonest.

 

Remember the people of Israel have given the world many technological advances, and many breakthroughs are made by people with Jewish heritage. Don't believe me? Go and look at the list of Nobel prize winners and note their ethnicity.

 

That of course is not an excuse for any war atrocities committed by the Israelis, nor should any good done by any nation (Looking at the US) be an excuse for war atrocities. The point here is lets keep a fair critical and balanced look at things.

 

 

You may want to learn the difference between The Jews (a race of people) and the Nation of Israel (a country founded and recognized by the UN in 1948) before presuming to lecture others on the finer points of critical thinking.  There are clear genetic, and religious, distinctions between The Jews and the people of Israel.  Many of the people of Israel are not even practicing Judaists; many are christian or muslim.  Many of the people of Israel are not genetically Jewish, but practice Judaism.

 

In your haste to confuse anti-Semitic rhetoric with simple acknowledgement of established, historical fact, you make the same mistake as Ironhorse in confusing the breakthroughs made by Jewish minds as having anything to do with Israel.  The two are distinct and separate.  There are Jews; and there are Israelis.  In fact, many of the Jews responsible for the wonders of the modern world never set foot in Israel; some were long dead before Israel became a nation.  

 

Furthermore, pointing out that Palestinians have also been responsible for atrocity is much like accusing Native Americans of taking scalps from the white man.  It happened and no one denies that.  The question you should ask yourself, however, is "why?"  The same applies to the Israel/Palestine situation; and attempting to equate the actions of one side with those of the other demonstrates a serious failure to understand the history and nature of the conflict.

 

These are all basic things that any fair-minded, balanced, critical thinker should know.

 

Have a good day,

TRP

[♦ ficino ♦]

 

 

 

 

In the field of medicine alone, Jewish contributions are staggering and continue to be so. It was a Jew who created the first polio vaccine, who discovered insulin, who discovered that aspirin dealt with pain, who discovered chloral hydrate for convulsions, who discovered streptomycin, who discovered the origin and spread of infectious diseases, who invented the test for diagnosis of syphilis, who identified the first cancer virus, who discovered the cure for pellagra and added to the knowledge about yellow fever, typhoid, typhus, measles, diphtheria and influenza. Today, Israel, a nation only sixty years old, has emerged at the forefront of stem-cell research, which will, in the near future, give humanity unprecedented medical treatment for degenerative diseases.

 

 

 

Along the lines of what rjn said: various Jewish researchers et al. came up with all the above something like 1700 years or more after the Jewish people as a whole rejected Jesus as their messiah.

 

Maybe they know something you and Christians don't know. Like, how Jesus does not satisfy what the Hebrew scriptures set forth for the messiah.

 

A strong recommendation to you to ditch Christianity, Ironhorse.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

 

 

 

 

 

In the field of medicine alone, Jewish contributions are staggering and continue to be so. It was a Jew who created the first polio vaccine, who discovered insulin, who discovered that aspirin dealt with pain, who discovered chloral hydrate for convulsions, who discovered streptomycin, who discovered the origin and spread of infectious diseases, who invented the test for diagnosis of syphilis, who identified the first cancer virus, who discovered the cure for pellagra and added to the knowledge about yellow fever, typhoid, typhus, measles, diphtheria and influenza. Today, Israel, a nation only sixty years old, has emerged at the forefront of stem-cell research, which will, in the near future, give humanity unprecedented medical treatment for degenerative diseases.

 

 

 

Along the lines of what rjn said: various Jewish researchers et al. came up with all the above something like 1700 years or more after the Jewish people as a whole rejected Jesus as their messiah.

 

Maybe they know something you and Christians don't know. Like, how Jesus does not satisfy what the Hebrew scriptures set forth for the messiah.

 

A strong recommendation to you to ditch Christianity, Ironhorse.

 

It does make one wonder why jesus, omniscient god in the flesh, didn't pass some of these medicinal secrets along to the leading physicians of his day.  Maybe he just wanted to watch humanity suffer a little while longer.

[Shinzon]

I tend to think policies like the gaza blockade cancel out what good you do when as a society there is approval of it. Sorry dont care if there were brilliant jewish people, jewish is a unneccesary adjective.

 

And to the point of both sides being wrong that is just simply not true. Displacing a population is what led to everything. If israel wasnt adhoc established on lands that hadnt been significantly jewish for almost 1000 years the problems wouldnt have begun. One side is the agressor and one side has been responding.

[duderonomy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the field of medicine alone, Jewish contributions are staggering and continue to be so. It was a Jew who created the first polio vaccine, who discovered insulin, who discovered that aspirin dealt with pain, who discovered chloral hydrate for convulsions, who discovered streptomycin, who discovered the origin and spread of infectious diseases, who invented the test for diagnosis of syphilis, who identified the first cancer virus, who discovered the cure for pellagra and added to the knowledge about yellow fever, typhoid, typhus, measles, diphtheria and influenza. Today, Israel, a nation only sixty years old, has emerged at the forefront of stem-cell research, which will, in the near future, give humanity unprecedented medical treatment for degenerative diseases.

 

 

 

Along the lines of what rjn said: various Jewish researchers et al. came up with all the above something like 1700 years or more after the Jewish people as a whole rejected Jesus as their messiah.

 

Maybe they know something you and Christians don't know. Like, how Jesus does not satisfy what the Hebrew scriptures set forth for the messiah.

 

A strong recommendation to you to ditch Christianity, Ironhorse.

 

It does make one wonder why jesus, omniscient god in the flesh, didn't pass some of these medicinal secrets along to the leading physicians of his day.  Maybe he just wanted to watch humanity suffer a little while longer.

 

 

Jesus tried, Prof, honest He did. If you can't heal a blind man from memory, spit in the dirt, make paste, and smear it in the blind man's eyes, then tell him to go wash in the pool of Siloam. It's all there in the Word, if you're looking for medicinal secrets.

 

Want another one? It was Moses that taught the Israelites to wash their hands under running water. So there.

[LogicalFallacy]

 

 

TheRedneckProfessor

Palestinian children are blessed by Israeli bombs.

 

Before this thread devolves into anti Semitic rhetoric let us critical thinkers here take a proper balanced view. Both sides of this religious conflict (And the main problems are caused by religious fanatics on both sides) are blessed with bombs from the other side. There have been failures on all sides so attacking the stronger side because they are stronger is dishonest.

 

Remember the people of Israel have given the world many technological advances, and many breakthroughs are made by people with Jewish heritage. Don't believe me? Go and look at the list of Nobel prize winners and note their ethnicity.

 

That of course is not an excuse for any war atrocities committed by the Israelis, nor should any good done by any nation (Looking at the US) be an excuse for war atrocities. The point here is lets keep a fair critical and balanced look at things.

 

 

You may want to learn the difference between The Jews (a race of people) and the Nation of Israel (a country founded and recognized by the UN in 1948) before presuming to lecture others on the finer points of critical thinking.  There are clear genetic, and religious, distinctions between The Jews and the people of Israel.  Many of the people of Israel are not even practicing Judaists; many are christian or muslim.  Many of the people of Israel are not genetically Jewish, but practice Judaism.

 

In your haste to confuse anti-Semitic rhetoric with simple acknowledgement of established, historical fact, you make the same mistake as Ironhorse in confusing the breakthroughs made by Jewish minds as having anything to do with Israel.  The two are distinct and separate.  There are Jews; and there are Israelis.  In fact, many of the Jews responsible for the wonders of the modern world never set foot in Israel; some were long dead before Israel became a nation.  

 

Furthermore, pointing out that Palestinians have also been responsible for atrocity is much like accusing Native Americans of taking scalps from the white man.  It happened and no one denies that.  The question you should ask yourself, however, is "why?"  The same applies to the Israel/Palestine situation; and attempting to equate the actions of one side with those of the other demonstrates a serious failure to understand the history and nature of the conflict.

 

These are all basic things that any fair-minded, balanced, critical thinker should know.

 

Have a good day,

TRP

 

 

TRP - I believe we may have mis-communicated.

 

First let me admit 2 things: 1) My knowledge of the situation in the middle east is not expert. While I have tried to keep up with history and the conflict in the eara it's mainly been through Christian glasses - I haven't yet had time to study it afresh being more concerned with learning evolution etc. 2) What knowledge I do have may still be communicated through Christian understanding. With those admissions out of the way I'll adress your post.

 

You appear to have taken my initial post as a lecture when is certainly was not, nor any intention to be. I know I quoted you, but only as an example of what I thought was a potential to devolve the thread into meaningless jibes on both sides. So no intention to lecture anyone there.

 

My bit about 'critical thinking' has clearly been taken wrong, and entirely my fault as when I re read it it looks like I am directly accusing you of not being a critical thinker by seeming to refer to "us critical thinkers". Again this was miscommunication. What I meant was we all (all of us here, you, me, BAA etc) are, or at least should be, fairly critical thinkers so lets not fall into meaningless rhetoric. That's what I was trying to convey but clearly didn't.

 

I am aware of the distinctions Israel vs Jews etc mentioned in your first two paragraphs, however to be fair it was hard to distinguish a short one line comment on the situation from rhetoric when all I had of your thoughts on the subject was one short line. 

 

As to your last paragraph, I would have hoped my reply to Ironhorse would have indicated that I was going down a path of "why" by going way back to the beginning. Obviously at the point I have gone (Numbers) its all fable, but I was hoping to work the conversation through. I'm not sure if this thread is the right place, and I need to read more history, but my memory seems to recall that the Jews were pushed out of Palestine by the Otterman empire? So possibly the start of the present day conflict is rooted way back then, not in 1948. Also I think there is a fundamental difference between the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the destruction of the new world and that is the white man had never been in the new world as inhabitants before. The Hebrews/Jewish people, however, had at least lived in the land for some time if we take from the 1st century CE. Of course we can go back to the beginning as to how they got there... 

 

Anyway, I hope there is no bad feelings, the only person I feel inclined to lecture around here is probably Ironhorse - but he likes it that's why he comes back for more

 

As expected several statements concerning Israel have been made early in this thread but I’m going to keep my comments related to my first post, at this time, to the numerous ways the world has benefited and enriched by the Jewish people.

 

I think rjn agreed on their contributions and LogicalFallacy wrote the following:

 

Remember the people of Israel have given the world many technological advances, and many breakthroughs are made by people with Jewish heritage."

 

 

Thank you for quoting me Ironhorse - I also gave a specific example, and requested a specific response. Would you care to answer it instead of spouting stuff about Israeli technological advancements which most educated people will be aware of? It's great, awesome that they do so well. For a people to have come through the Holocaust and achieve what they have, very nice, except the conflict it has wrought. So, again, in light of Genesis 12, please explain Numbers 31:17-18. And as TRP mentioned, you can explain Palestinian bombs within this Genesis 12 understanding. It would be most interesting to get your views on these matters.

 

" but I’m going to keep my comments related to my first post, at this time, to the numerous ways the world has benefited and enriched by the Jewish people."

 

You don't think this line is somewhat dishonest in light of your opening line: "A thread about ALL things Israel"?

 

Did you seriously expect us here to come to a thread like this and sit around sipping lemon tea gabbling endlessly about how great Israel is? I trust you are not deliberately trolling us?

[pratt]

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

the same can be said about the chinese, indians & egyptians,,,,

 

no BIG fuck

[rjn]

 

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

the same can be said about the chinese, indians & egyptians,,,,

 

no BIG fuck

 

 

Or just about any people that's been around long enough and had an opportunity to make an impact. Speaking of disproportionate influence... not to be boastful, but my own people (smaller than the Jews) have made several important advances in technology, medicine, science and so on, and many major companies and institutions today are, at least originally, Swedish. Not to speak of the fact that IH's beloved faith might had been severely crippled in it's infancy if it wasn't for a sociopathic dynasty of kings whose hobby was to mess with the Catholics. 

 

But of course, we're not mentioned in the Bible (unless you go the route of silly genealogies and pretend Japhet is the father of Europeans in general, but that's rather farfetched no?), so all that is completely irrelevant to a True Believer™, as is everything else that isn't directly connected to their faith. 

[bornagainathiest]

 

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

 

 

 

Before this thread goes too far Ironhorse, please tell us if your replies to any questions put to you will be...

 

A  A clear and definitive answer

B. You just giving your view on the matter

C. You speculating about this passage of scripture

D. Something else

 

I ask because your Oct 14 answer to LogicalFallacy's question about Genesis 4 in this thread...  http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/74143-in-the-beginning/#.WBpDPS2LSpo   ... was this.

 

Since Adam lived several hundred years, having lots of children was not a problem.  This would mean that Cain married a sister, niece, or some other relation, and their children had children, etc.

The genetic line in these early times was pure. So the prohibition against incest was not yet proclaimed.

 

Which looked to us like a clear and definitive answer you can be held accountable to.

But since yesterday you've told us that you were 'just giving your view' on his question.  Neither LogicalFallacy nor I had any idea that were you doing this.  We had to wait almost three weeks to find out what you were just giving your view.  And we only found out after persistent and repeated requests from both of us, for you to commit yourself on the matter.  So, to avoid this sort of thing happening again, can you please tell us from get go when you are giving a clear and definitive answer that you can be accountable to ...and when you aren't?

 

If you can't be straight with us about Genesis 4, why should we believe you are going to be straight with us about any questions put to you about Genesis 12?

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

 

 

Ironhorse,

 

Would you please tell us if your replies to any of our questions here will be...

 

A  Clear and definitive answers

B. You just giving your view on the matter

C. You speculating about this passage of scripture

D. Something else

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

[bornagainathiest]

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

 

According to Pastor Matthew of the Grace Valley Christian Center this blessing refers specifically to the spiritual blessing Jesus Christ would bring to the whole world.

 

Not to any of the secular, cultural or scientific benefits the nation of Israel would bring to the whole world.

 

http://www.gracevalley.org/sermon/gods-plan-to-bless-all-the-families-of-the-earth/

 

Looks like you're trying to make scripture say something that it wasn't meant to!

 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

I thought everybody knew that jesus was the blessing referred to by the scripture. Are there other interpretations of god's inerrant word? Where I come from those are called heresies.

[bornagainathiest]

Once again I must refer Ironhorse to the words of the apostle Paul, so that he gains a proper (and not a heretical) understanding of the meaning of Genesis 12 : 3.

 

Galatians 3 : 7 - 9.

 

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.

8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

 

Genesis 12 : 3 refers only to the spiritual blessings of faith, the gospel and world-wide salvation.

Why?  Because it is God's gospel announced in advance of the birth of Jesus Christ.  It says nothing about the secular history of the nation of Israel or the cultural or scientific achievements of the Jews.  

 

Ironhorse, please confirm that you agree that this correct meaning of Genesis 12 : 3.

 

Please also confirm that you were wrong to take it to mean anything to do with the historical exploits of the nation of Israel.

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

[Guest Furball]

 

 

A thread on all things Israel.

 

 

I thought I would start with this promised blessing from Genesis 12:

 

‘’…and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you.”

 

I think we can agree that the world has benefited and been enriched by the Jewish peoples contributions and achievements in literature, music, technology, science, and medicine.

the same can be said about the chinese, indians & egyptians,,,,

 

no BIG fuck

 

 not to be boastful, but my own people (smaller than the Jews) have made several important advances in technology, medicine, science and so on, and many major companies and institutions today are, at least originally, Swedish. 

 

 

 

Yes, but do your own people follow the true living god of the bible, and have they thanked god for giving them the wisdom to make those important advances in tech, med and science? (Sarcasm turned off) Todd friel has stated that without god, you will never have any successful outcome to any scientific pursuit. It's all about god goddamnit. (Okay now the sarcasm will be turned off)

 

I've heard this shit about israel for so long that I'm surprised people are still duped into believing the lie that if people support/bless israel, god will then bless them. Bullshit. 

 

Sure, the jews have shared some of their culture with the rest of the world, but let's not forget that they also shared their brutally violent, child murdering and human hating god with the rest of the crap they shared.  

 

As others have noted, the world has benefited from numerous cultures, so what's your point, other than to continue to kiss the ass of the imaginary god of the bible?