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Hacking.

Weapons.

Casualties.

Donald Trump.

Remorse? I think, not.

2017 is going to be a, blow for blow, blood spilling, gruesome boxing match. It's disgusting.

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It's a one-sided war. The news out of the US is like crazy town these days. Doesn't match reality. 

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It's a one-sided war. The news out of the US is like crazy town these days. Doesn't match reality. 

You are not the only international source that tells me that. Americans just can't believe their government has an agenda and uses propaganda (lies) to advance it. I seriously don't know how anyone my age who grew up during Vietnam can trust what those lying bastards keep feeding us. It's puzzling and disgusting to me. Is the USA the only bad actor? Certainly not, but Americans seem to have no perspective on reality these days.

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Americans just can't believe their government has an agenda and uses propaganda (lies) to advance it.

 

The fact that Trump won seems to dispute that. If we really did believe the media than Clinton should have won in a landslide.

 

Instead she lost, and also lost the popular vote if you don't count California. The majority of American states seem to understand that we see everything through a heavily filtered bias.

 

The whole Russian hacking thing is another example where it's pretty obvious that our government isn't being 100% truthful. They say "Russians hacked the election", but refuse to give us any concrete verifiable details. Without that, "hacked the election" could mean anything. It doesn't tell us if it was an actual voting machine hack ( Which would be a big deal ) or just some attempts to spread the wikileaks emails through social media ( Which would be literally nothing ). It doesn't tell us if it was directed by the Kremlin ( Big deal ) or just some random Russkie teenagers playing with linux in their commieblock apartment ( Wow it's fucking nothing ).  It could also be what John McAfee stated: Some guy just used Russian proxies and TOR routes to make it look like Russia. It should be noted that the CIA doesn't have a way to see through this yet. If it turns out their only proof is Russian IP addresses...wow, it's fucking nothing.

 

Obama seems to think he can just run this extremely ambiguous statement to the American people and we should just take it at face value. Anyone with basic sense should be skeptical here.

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If the headlines were that Russia hacked the election in favor of Hillary, the conspiracy theorists would be in overdrive right now. There would not be the slightest doubt as to the veracity of the source, be it "the government" or something else. 

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If the headlines were that Russia hacked the election in favor of Hillary, the conspiracy theorists would be in overdrive right now. There would not be the slightest doubt as to the veracity of the source, be it "the government" or something else. 

 

Are you denying that that's not exactly what Clinton supporters are doing right now? Is there no room in your theories for those of us who simply demand evidence before we accept a claim and call bullshit on both sides of the political aisle where apt? 

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If the headlines were that Russia hacked the election in favor of Hillary, the conspiracy theorists would be in overdrive right now. There would not be the slightest doubt as to the veracity of the source, be it "the government" or something else. 

 

The conspiracy theorists are in overdrive right now, and apart from a very few, they are lefties and aren't doubting the veracity of the 'source'.  

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The spew currently is that they "hacked the grid", but are starting to retract that now since it was just a laptop not connected to power routing. I posted the following on a couple of news site:

 

"Malware from Russia infects many thousands of computers across the world. So does malware from China and from America. Malware can be anything from injecting advertising, diverting you to porn sites, stealing your passwords and banking information, to ransomware that encrypts your data. Finding malware on a government computer isn't rare, and unless it is something really unique, it probably came from an advert on a hacked website, or the person using the laptop opened an email attachment that infected the laptop. It happens every day to average users, so it doesn't strike me as a nefarious plot to overthrow America. The fact that they had a utility that discovered it means that it was probably fairly common malware. The real issue is that employees willingly gave out their logins and passwords to someone via email."

 

Hacking goes on continually, and we do it as much as anyone else. The vast majority is still done by geeks in the dark, but there are some serious state hackers also. That stuff is usually not talked about in the news because governments don't like to talk about actual security holes.

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A Russia that resists the "free market/democracy/human rights/freedom" bullshit propaganda of the West is a serious danger to Western rule. No one cared about Russia as long as drunkard Yeltzin was in power, selling out his country to Western megacorps. Only when he was replaced did Russia suddenly become The Enemy™ again.

 

Furthermore, NATO signed a number of treaties with Russia, which have all been broken swiftly. I'm not claiming that Russia is innocent... but that simple either-or that Goebbels TV wants us all to believe (Russia = not 100 % good, therefore "we" are 100 % good) is bullshit through and out.

 

Of course one still needs some source of information, which makes the thing so difficult. Who's telling how much truth? And again, Goebbels TV keeps telling us that whatever source isn't part of them (= MSM) is automatically "fake news". You really don't have much choice other than looking at several news (really news?) sources and then construct your own reality from that.

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If the headlines were that Russia hacked the election in favor of Hillary, the conspiracy theorists would be in overdrive right now. There would not be the slightest doubt as to the veracity of the source, be it "the government" or something else. 

If the headlines where any country "hacked" any other of any party all I would want are details.

 

 

I don't doubt Russia "hacked" the US government this election. What I doubt lies in what they haven't made any statement on: which is what they mean by hacking.

 

I used to work in IT security and hacking is an extremely broad subject ranging from piss in the wind to potential doomsday scenarios. There are millions of things it could mean. Saying someone "hacked" you is like saying someone "offended" you and then refusing to say what exactly was offensive. So when a major governing body makes an accusation of hacking but then outright refuses to specify what they exactly mean by that, they are admitting to at least one of three things:

 

1. They are purposely using the resulting ambiguity to push an agenda.

2. They are prematurely making accusations based on shaky data and don't want to admit it.

3. They have absolutely no idea what the everliving fuck they are talking about.

 

My bets are honestly on 1. The hack was something inconsequential and the establishment is just using it as an excuse to flaunt their power.

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In Atlanta alone, there are more than 50,000 Russian speaking people (http://russiansatl.blogspot.com/).  This number would include nationalities which are not Russian, but share the commonality of the language, such as Latvians, Ukrainians, and other former Soviets.  The average American, in my experience, doesn't differentiate.  As a former colleague from Slovenia once pointed out: "To Americans, anything east of Germany is Russia."  

 

If Americans allow themselves to be fomented into hatred of Russia, without the ability to distinguish between Moscow and Riga, then what happens to the Russian community here in Atlanta?  Do we round them all up and put them into camps?  What about the Americo-Russkie children (Redneck Jr. among them)?  Do they get sent to special schools?  Will they eventually have to sew a red star onto their clothing so that they can be identified as Russkies?  When do the crematoria get built?

 

You may think I'm overreacting, but the political climate in America is not so different from that of Germany in the early 30s.  

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Americans need to fear America before any other country. The us is fighting 7, going on 8 wars; none of which are for defense. The us is droning and doing special ops missions in around 135 countries. The us occupies 153 countries. The us is now saber rattling and attempting to apply nation crushing sanctions, clearly with the intention of toppling another government, on a country that has the largest nuclear arsenal on the globe.

Xenophobia in the us is worthy of guffaws from the outside looking in.

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If Trump backs up his rhetoric where Russia and the ME is concerned, he will be the most successful liberal president in modern history in terms of foreign policy.

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If Trump backs up his rhetoric where Russia is concerned, he will be the most successful liberal president in modern history.

 

At least in that regard, yes. Sadly there's a number of other things which he (as far as I can tell) will probably... deal with in a none-too-smart way.

 

Oh well.

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If Trump backs up his rhetoric where Russia is concerned, he will be the most successful liberal president in modern history.

 

At least in that regard, yes. Sadly there's a number of other things which he (as far as I can tell) will probably... deal with in a none-too-smart way.

 

Oh well.

 

 

You quoted me before I edited. My bad as I edited late. I added "in terms of foreign policy". Domestically, he'll be at least as bad as Obama. 

 

I don't get the current liberal hand-wringing over his cabinet picks. He hasn't done anything that every single president has been doing for decades: handing over the government to corporations. 

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Here's a very informative article about the direction of US foreign policy, especially where Russia is concerned, for those interested in exploring this issue in more detail: 

 

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/28/escalating-the-risky-fight-with-russia/

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I don't get the current liberal hand-wringing over his cabinet picks. He hasn't done anything that every single president has been doing for decades: handing over the government to corporations.

Sure, but those nominees aren't their corrupt cronies!

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I don't get the current liberal hand-wringing over his cabinet picks. He hasn't done anything that every single president has been doing for decades: handing over the government to corporations.

Sure, but those nominees aren't their corrupt cronies!

 

 

Are you sure about that?

 

Juxtapose the DoE appointments. People are upset about upset about Rick Perry when Obama's guy just oversaw the US break historic records in the amount of fossil fuel taken out of the ground and actually turned the US into an oil/gas exporter during a time when Obama was telling the people we need to invest in clean energy. If that's not corrupt for the fossil fuel industry, I guess I probably need a new definition of corruption. 

 

Anyway, people should be upset. They just shouldn't be upset ONLY NOW, because if they are, they'll just go back to sleep again once another smooth talker with a D next to his name is back in office. 

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Hell in the local atheist group i used to attend. I heard a guy arguing we would win a war against russia because technology so therefore we could do what we want in syria. Needless to say no one debating with him besides me was why i stopped attending. Its wacky, its like everybodys thinking skills take a nap whenever it comes to words "national security".

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I don't get the current liberal hand-wringing over his cabinet picks. He hasn't done anything that every single president has been doing for decades: handing over the government to corporations.

 

Sure, but those nominees aren't their corrupt cronies!
ditto its why i groaned at the shit. Its like honest dirtbags vs lazy smooth talkers. Either way were fucked people. It was 60 a few days ago in the midwest in december. Like if that aint proof of climate change nothing will convince you.

 

As far as the rest its the same. Lazy smooth talkers vs dirtbags that at least admit there dirtyness.

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I don't get the current liberal hand-wringing over his cabinet picks. He hasn't done anything that every single president has been doing for decades: handing over the government to corporations.

Sure, but those nominees aren't their corrupt cronies!
ditto its why i groaned at the shit. Its like honest dirtbags vs lazy smooth talkers. Either way were fucked people. It was 60 a few days ago in the midwest in december. Like if that aint proof of climate change nothing will convince you.

 

As far as the rest its the same. Lazy smooth talkers vs dirtbags that at least admit there dirtyness.

 

 

I just saw that I completely misread Thur. Sorry for my strange response on the last page Thursaz. I was pretty tired and even more so now, so... 

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Hell in the local atheist group i used to attend. I heard a guy arguing we would win a war against russia because technology so therefore we could do what we want in syria.

 

That's sad. Anybody who says shit like that doesn't know their history.

 

Don't get me wrong, the United States wins in ~95 out of 100 possible scenarios of an all out war between USA and Russia. But just because you can doesn't mean you should. The social and geopolitical aftershocks would be disastrous. Most of those scenarios include the innocent deaths of millions, and in a few of them ...billions.

 

I bet if you brought up serious discussion about the USSR with that guy he would be utterly clueless. Start talking about Provideniya and his response would be "Provideniwhat?". The guys who say shit like this tend to know nothing about Russia pre/post soviet and have no clue just what the cold war did or the amount of urban decay/financially abandoned settlements Russians face.

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Start talking about Provideniya and his response would be "Provideniwhat?"

That's my response too. Why would you be talking about an old military compound in the north pole and what does this have to do with discussing Russia in general? Just curious. 

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Start talking about Provideniya and his response would be "Provideniwhat?"

 

That's my response too. Why would you be talking about an old military compound in the north pole and what does this have to do with discussing Russia in general? Just curious.

i second this statement. Im kind of curious why you mention that.
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