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  2. Thanks for the response, Josh. I'm not that impressed with the DNC either but I think I'm forced to go with Biden. I'm concerned that he's showing the effects of age. But to me, a career politician knows, or should know, how to work the system to get things done. Too many important people have said that Trump has made a mess of things, including some of those who worked for and with him. I did like what little I heard from Yang.
  3. I see Biden as less fit to lead, basically. I kind of like having a non-career politician as president. That's why I was eyeing Andrew Yang as a dem potential. Same general thing but coming from the left with libertarian interests included in his appeal. But the DNC is a train wreck and doesn't seem to understand the first thing about who to run against Trump if they want half a chance in the up coming election. That's where I'm at with it. In another 4 years I'll revisit my opinion.
  4. What draws you to him, and what turns you away from Biden? (I do not want to start a debate. Just curious as to what concerns folks have and why they make the decisions they do.)
  5. To be honest, at this point I see myself opting to vote for Trump. @Bhim Count me in buddy..... I can't even entertain any of the other options.
  6. Well, it seems today democrats came out with what they were stalling these payouts about. Trying to use the pandemic to fund "The New Green Deal" issues. At this point there's no telling who will get what and when. It's changing day by day. Everyone jockeying for position through this pandemic opportunity is both typical and despicable as I see it.
  7. Country music legend Kenny Rogers has died https://www.music-news.com/news/UK/129972/Kenny-Rogers-has-died
  8. As I posted in another thread here, people under a certain level will only get $600, and those at the very bottom get nothing. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488677-democrats-balk-at-1200-rebate-checks-in-stimulus-plan
  9. As I understand it, it is an income tax rebate. So if you are below a certain income you would get only $600. If you earned less that $2500 you get nothing. And if you earned $75,000, you'd get $1200. There is also a cutoff for high incomes. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488677-democrats-balk-at-1200-rebate-checks-in-stimulus-plan Do you support Trump or some other candidate, or none at all?
  10. The recommendation, at least in Canada, is that anyone who can work from home do so. Right now they are trying to limit those going to work to essential workers. I'd do better than "probably." Is it worth endangering the lives of other people?
  11. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pastors-follow-coronavirus-rules-defy-69691042 “Not every house of worship is bowing to government guidelines designed to help snuff out the virus.” https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-words-contradict-claim-viewed-coronavirus/story?id=69662788 Trump's own words contradict claim he's always viewed coronavirus as 'very serious' It’s a democratic hoax! I have always gone to work whether I was sick or not. Will probably have to change my ways if I get sick this time. Besides the stock market, my biggest worry is that we have one partial package of toilet paper and last night the store shelves were empty.
  12. The Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra (one of the very best in the world) has now made its amazing Digital Concert Hall available free for 30 days. https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/home
  13. That's why I keep looking at the financial aspect. Trump has basically taken Andrew Yang's "Freedom Dividend" running platform as his stimulus package, described in the above video. With the exception that a $1000 won't go out to people above a certain income, as a right of citizenship to all US citizens. Just those under a certain income level. I knew that Yang was a long shot, but I'm not surprised that Trump basically usurped his "Freedom Dividend" to try and stimulate the economy even if temporarily. Things in Florida have been liberal, but slowly tightening up more and more conservative each week. At first closing down schools and work prompted mass recreation all over the state. People everywhere at the beaches. People boating. People shopping all around. The roads packed with people driving around doing who knows what. But as they systematically started closing fast food to drive thru only, and limiting restaurant usage, closing state parks and some beaches, it seems to be getting a little quieter. All of this at the expense of jobs and positive income for many. How many people live check to check, state to state? How long can they go without working? I hope this grim reality is short lived. It's similar to what we in Florida and similar places have to face almost every time we get wiped out by a hurricane. Temporary economic grid lock. No positive income for many. Stretching out whatever you have as long as possible. No gas or supplies available for long periods. This is actually better than hurricane conditions as far as that goes. Because you at least can get food if you run out at home. And some people can still work. But it's grim over all.
  14. I was watching Yang from early on. I knew it was a long shot, but here they are now basically taking his "freedom dividend" idea and using it as the economic stimulus package in response to a pandemic. Trump must have recognized that Yang was on to something. Getting $1,000 out to everyone in their home towns across the nation evenly spreads the money out from the ground up across the nation for trickle up, rather than trickle down effect. One difference is that they won't give it to millionaires or people who don't need it beyond a certain income level. Yang was going to give it to every citizen to do with it what they will, no questions asked. As a rite of citizenship, basically. I would imagine that Yang's at least glad to see that even though the DNC isn't ready for someone like him, his ideas had enough validity for other politicians to then take and try and run with. As for Sanders or Biden, it would be a cold day in hell before I'd cast a vote for either one of them. Just my opinion.
  15. I know, and that's not actually what I'm most worried about. We will be fine from a health perspective, even if we do get it. I really don't want to have to figure out a new living situation. The bigger, societal impacts that this will have are more concerning to me at the moment.
  16. The good news is healthy young women (pregnant or not) and children seem to do pretty well with this virus. Its still a bit unnerving though. Best to you and your wife!
  17. I got this in a work email recently. I haven't yet verified that all of it is true and I don't like to spread hearsay, so take this with a grain of salt: Some good news -China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them. - Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally. - Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus. - A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China. - Apple reopens all 42 china stores, - Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days. - Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining. - Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe. - Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine. - 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life. - A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research. - A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore. - Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery. - All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered. - Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19. So it's not all bad news. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vulnerable
  18. I was amazed at how similar you sound to UK. We have Trump Puppet Johnson and others who are from the wealthy privileged and know nothing of people on the street. I've emailed my Member of Parliament today about SPITTING - something I see a lot of in London but not a word has been said so far as I know.
  19. It seems that there is a Christian "health insurance" program out there that avoids regulation and fails to pay claims. They claim that they are a pool of members who will cover each other's costs, but the organizations have left some people with hundreds of thousands in unpaid medical bills. Here's a link to the NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/health/christian-health-care-ministries.html Here's another source: https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/I-m-relying-on-prayer-Norwalk-man-owes-15098631.php If you can't get that, Google "Trinity Aliera claims" and you'll find several more articles on the subject.
  20. Oh shit. We all hope she'll stay safe. And I can probably speak for everyone in saying that we all respect and appreciate the dedication of all the healthcare professionals who are carrying on at great personal risk in the face of this. Please tell her that she is appreciated.
  21. Sorry to hear this. My wife is an RN. She's going into work tomorrow night. There aren't any confirmed cases in her unit yet, so there's that, but I'm honestly more worried about unconfirmed cases right now. We're still trying to figure out exactly what we'll do once she gets exposed. Oh, and she's pregnant, and we have a 19 month old daughter. We're in Ontario, so things are being handled a bit differently here than the States, but even so there is a lot of confusion. I'm just glad that we have income security, at least for now. Stay as safe as you can.
  22. It seems that the 16 scroll fragments in the Museum Of The Bible in Washington DC are fake. Aw shucks. But then, the whole banana is fake, so what's the problem? BTW, the article says the museum is a $500 million thing. Talk about a waste of money. https://www.sciencealert.com/entire-collection-of-dead-sea-scrolls-fragments-at-us-museum-turns-out-to-be-fake?fbclid=IwAR0Yx9fa8IjEBsLxLg3Xl8BkPTJLGqmoAkzhmXSJFXyxseE9cchZLeJxj6Q

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