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"The very same people who say that government has no right to interfere with sexual activity between consenting adults believe that the government has every right to interfere with economic activity between consenting adults."
If you study the actual sources of this miracle claim, you will discover that the evidence is weak, contradictory and explainable without the need to invoke magical cause. Of course, you haven't done that. Various Catholics embellished the claim over the years to fool gullible folks like you. It worked.
When my dad worked in Haiti he done seen a Voodoo priest bring a dead guy back to life and my uncle seen a Bigfoot trying to break into his beer shed. Them there are real miracles! Top THAT, Mary!!!
Yes, I'm treating this with all the respect it deserves.
Perhaps the believers were so pumped that it somehow rubbed off on others. Another possibility is an optical illusion. For all I know, the claims of antireligious people also seeing it could be greatly exaggerated or even totally fabricated.
Regardless, none of us were there, so there's no way to know for sure. What we can be certain of is that they really did not see what they thought they saw. The sun didn't do anything crazy, because people all over that side of the world would have seen it if it did.
By the way, it appears that you were replying while I was editing my prior post to address the rest of your comment.
It could be psychosomatic, but a lot of people who are communist (Portugal was communist at that time) and anti religious , had the same psychosomatic symptoms...it sounds very unlikely.
Yes I agree, nothing actually happened to the Sun
So, they expected to see something and then they saw something, but that something wasn't something that was real because nobody else in the entire world saw it. Do you fail to see the potential that it was psychosomatic?
The article you linked doesn't appear to mention that stuff, but the October Revolution happened around the same time as the so-called Miracle of the Sun, so there were probably things brewing that would make it easy to speculate about where things could go. Making general predictions that come true really isn't all that impressive. What would be impressive would be if predictions were made with a lot of specific details that couldn't possibly play out exactly as predicted without it being a miraculous prophecy. I'd put my money on the notion that what really happened was not that impressive scenario. It's probably no more impressive than what psychics do all the time.