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  4. @Xtina, I signed up for the crazy 20+ years ago whilst dating Mrs. MOHO. It wasn't too awful as, at the time, she was not an over-the-top, in-your-face, totally controlled by Jesus, proselytizing Xtian. But now she is. OK, there are weeks when it's bad and weeks when she just goes to church on Sunday. But the God Virus is there to stay and it influences her decision making process which, in turn, negatively impacts our life together. The most annoying/harmful is the hopee, prayee thing instead of taking the reins and implementing a solution to problems. It has been my personal experience that the fundies that give God/Jesus credit for overcoming their addiction(s) are the most obnoxious and least likely to recover from their new found addiction. After all - they have daily support from the rest of the crazy crowd. If you are not religious then beat it! I know 9 years is a lot to throw away but do you really want to wait another 9 years only to watch him stay in the crazy? Do you really have time left in your life to throw some of it away when you could find a non-religious person to enjoy THIS life with? - MOHO (Mind Of HIs Own)
  5. I agree that one's frame of mind can affect body healing. Attitude and belief are important. I doubt Jesus is involved. It also would seem that when you jack yourself up on dopamine in a church worship situation the euphoria probably hides some symptoms temporarily. I do fully understand that if prayer actually worked for everything that we wanted it to work for then we would not need modern medicine. I know it won't regrow limbs and apparently causes heart patients to do worse (haha), but there may be some uses for it. Still , I doubt Jesus is involved.
  6. Interesting point. I think there is research that indicates a person's frame of mind can affect body healing. Pessimistic or despondent people fare worse than optimistic and positive people. Thus prayer might work for a religious person because they feel happier and think God will heal them. However in one study people who knew they were being prayed for fared worse... a stage fight effect? In my personal experience one would immediately feel better after being prayed for and some people even reported being healed immediately. However once out of the influence of the church members and back home reality would kick in and the condition would come back... to be prayed away the next week.
  7. @TABA exactly - how could you ever have security about your eternal fate? And this author is a Calvinist I’m assuming per the Edwards quote, so I’m even more confused!!
  8. If that blog post is to be believed, no Christian can be sure that they are truly Christians, truly saved: you can commit your life to Christ, study the Bible, live the best life you can, bring others to Jesus - and none of it may matter anyway. What happened to the assurance and peace that Christian faith is supposed to bring? This doesn’t seem like a good way to win people over to Christianity. In fact I’d say it’s the most dramatic own-goal I’ve seen on the part of a Christian apologist.
  9. By the way, Caedmon's Call had some pretty good music (at least the early stuff I'm familiar with), definitely much better than most Christian music. I'll have to check out Derek's latest release and see what it's like.
  10. Ironically, I would have agreed with that blog post when I was a Christian. I made essentially the same arguments. Yet, here I am now, evidence that it's poppycock. The real problem with that line of "reasoning" is that they refuse to even remotely consider the possibility that they could be the ones who are wrong, that maybe, just maybe, Christianity really isn't true after all. They want everyone of every other belief system to consider the possibility that they're wrong, but they refuse to do it themselves. Been there, done that, and I've since then grown to realize that that attitude is the biggest stumbling-block there is to finding truth.
  11. Fair points! I think it touches a nerve because I grew up believing in the truth of Christianity completely but never had experiences of my own, even when I was prayed over etc., which always left me with this insecurity about whether I was truly saved - so it’s triggering to find that some Christians actually think that people can believe it and ask Jesus into their heart but not experience true saving belief from God. It plays on all my insecurities. But then with this way of thinking, how does this person know they won’t turn out never to have been a true Christian in 10/20/30/40 years’ time? How could you ever have eternal security, like Calvinists like the author supposedly do?
  12. Here's a play list of their previous album. It's also pretty darn good.
  13. Here's one of my favorite recent discoveries. I'd never heard of Kingcrow until fellow ex-c member Storm told me about them a couple months ago. This is a fantastic album.
  14. As many times as this comes up, is as many times that it will remain a "No True Scotsman Fallacy." These were never, "true christians." <snipped from article> This is one of the many problems with cult mentality. They can not fathom any other options. Setting up false dichotomies is the go to. Let's also look at option 1) about "biblical truth." What is "biblical truth?" I am currently pressing two of our christian members to justify the claim that the bible is true to begin with. Currently, the one who runs www.christforums.com completely folded and quit trying to prove the bible true as of Genesis 1. He can't do it, we are left to assume. The second member is a youtuber and he's trying to do what he can to demonstrate "the truth" of the bible, but as of yet hasn't been able able to demonstrate that it is true. It boils down to believing something is true which can't be demonstrated as true: https://www.ex-christian.net/topic/82275-luthamf-verses-joshpantera-informal/ So what is this fallacious "true christian" anyways? Someone who believes the bible and jesus are true, when all evidence points to the contrary, and which will never change their mind no matter what and no matter how much they mature, grow, investigate and think for themselves? What else could it be? It sounds more to me like "true credulousness." And besides, fuck'em. Who cares if cult-like church members think that people who left the church were never "true" members of the church in the first place? 1280 × 7 This
  15. I came across the name Derek Webb and googled and found this post (had never heard of this blog, so had no idea if it was conservative or progressive or what - turns out not so progressive!). The author acknowledges that there are people who genuinely believed Christianity was true and built their lives around it but says that their faith was not of God but built on circumstances and education, as opposed to “true” saving belief that comes from God. My question is how can any Christian then know the difference?! Interested in your thoughts if you can stand to read it. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theologyalongtheway.org/2018/04/10/derek-webb-wrestling-with-the-category-of-ex-christian-and-the-nature-of-true-saving-faith/amp/
  16. So sorry for you. 9 yrs is a long time that you 2 have shared together. I agree with the others - red flags for sure and lots of problems ahead. Seems wisest to move on... But I can't imagine the pain you must be going through.
  17. Once you're in 2nd (or 3rd, 4th or nth) place then you'll always be there. Is that where you want to be in this relationship? When he wants you, when it's your turn, you'll be brought out and made to be special but when your time is over you'll be back to your normal place. If that's what you want then accept your fate but otherwise you should consider other options like leaving him and being by yourself for awhile so you can sort out what you really need. mwc
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  19. So I think it's clear it's bollocks, in reality. However, from within the hive mind, and specifically within your mainstream, Dispensational Evangelical theology as taught at places like Dallas or Fuller Seminaries, this is the way it was taught to us - and you'll recognize it as an amalgamation of concepts gleaned and cleaned from the vaguest potential references throughout the bible: 1.) Humans, being made in the Triune God's image, are made up of Body (physical self), Soul (mind/will/emotions), and Spirit (the part of your personhood that is capable of being relating to and being connected to God.) 2.) When Adam and Eve sinned, they, as God promised (read: threatened), *died* - not physically, but spiritually. Their spirit was dead, and they were no longer connected to God and perfect, and had to be driven from the Garden. 3.) In the same way that we inherit our parents' eye color, hair color, and other genetic features, we inherit their state of being dead in sin. So it's not that we're being punished for their sin, but rather that they proffered on us this state of Death that can only be restored by the work of Christ on the Cross. 4.) So then when you *accept Jesus* and the Holy Spirit *indwells* you, your Spirit is resurrected and you are reconnected to God. That is the only way this can be corrected under the New Covenant. 5.) Supposedly all those who died under the Old Covenant but followed YHWH faithfully enough, were retroactively restored by this same "finished" work. So that's how they got around that conversation. It wasn't a manner of punishment, it was a matter of parentage. Of course, YVMV, depending on your sect or denomination, but that's how it was fed to us.
  20. Well, I don't think I come into the category of the sarcastic or inflammatory, but it's true I've not been around much. The issue is as simple as real life getting in the way and catching up with a backlog of posts being a touch daunting. May be the same for the sarky and inflamed brigade - and perhaps they grew up...
  21. I create that which I see. Whatever that, or any of the above, actually means. As I think I've said before - of this I am sure. Whatever "reality" is - there is likely some basis which is both simpler and more profound than any of us realise.
  22. I've thought about this quite often, coming from a town that was heavily Mormon and having good friends who are. Of course, when you're a fundie, as I was for a quarter century, that's your entire context - your point of view is from within. But beyond the fact that I was in one camp criticizing another, I think Western Culture is so steeped in, so saturated with the basic Christian narrative (Jesus, born of Virgin Mary, perfect life, died on the Cross, Resurrection, Judgement, Heaven/Hell) that beliefs that depart from what many of us learned though even our public holidays seem strange. Even nominal/holiday Christians retain enough to recognize when a belief departs from the cultural norm (getting your own planet, Satan and Jesus brothers, spirit babies, baptizing for the dead, etc.) That difference contributes to its strangeness, and that makes it far less believable. From the outside, of course, the belief sets are equally ridiculous. Viewing them that way is a step we consciously take, otherwise, the less familiar becomes less belieavable.
  23. Aaannnd that is why we have 1000 denominations and 2 billion different ideas of god!
  24. It would be interesting to do an experiment using friends and family members of patients. I wonder what percentage of the patients being prayed for in this article were religious, non-religious, or even anti-religious. I would hope that double blind protocols were used in this experiment, but it appears not: "Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers." So all of the test group were advised about being prayed for? Hope that didnt skew the results. I wonder if the medical staff knew about the experiment. Surgery staff? The article doesn't really say. Maybe I'll find the study. edit: Here'a study i think I'll read today. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2802370/ It looks as if prayer or meditation does help certain conditions, mostly mental or emotional problems. I don't think God is answering the prayers though. I think we cause our own healing, in this case. Does anyone know how spontaneous remission or placebo effect actually work?
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