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  2. Why do you assume we didn't read it? Because we had a different reaction? You seem predisposed to believing things and then fearing them despite evidence to the contrary. None of the apologist claims are new to us. There is nothing we overlooked. Many of us spent decades espousing those beliefs, and found good reasons (like the ones I mentioned) for leaving belief and embracing fact.
  3. The emptiness will leave after you begin to fill it with other stuff.
  4. After reading, I am not seeing how the responses you have received are flawed.
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  6. OR........... https://etb-biblical-errancy.blogspot.com/2012/04/ezekiels-prophecy-of-tyre-failed.html Why are you digging so deep to find a reason to believe this crap?
  7. Please read the article before responding
  8. So will Josh's Harris' books be taken off the shelves? Or remain? A few months ago his Jesus believing fans were lapping up his pro Jesus books...but now ?? Do they still have good Jesusy information in them ? Or is it now not so Jesusy?
  9. So many non-True Christians calling themselves Christians these days. How can you know for sure if one is really real or not?
  10. What makes you think that the book of Ezekiel was written before Tyre was invaded? It is easy to write "prophecies" in retrospect. It is like the entire book of Exodus (none of which happened in actual history) which is made to sound like it fits into history, but is completely invented. Daniel is another made-up book. The common thought is (others on this site can confirm or deny) that most of the writings were invented around the Babylonian exile in order to give the people a feeling of continuity from ancient times. This is also likely where the "star of David" originated, from Babylonian magic rather than anything to do with David. The Revelation purports to talk about the end time, but seems to clearly point to Rome as the evil thing, and they are not really a world power anymore. Other examples: The "prophecy" about the virgin birth of Jesus isn't related to Jesus at all, but to some unknown kid born or a girl centuries earlier, not a virgin. The "prophecy" of Herod's slaughter of children has no bearing at all on Herod, and the prophecy even says that the children were kidnapped and later returned, not killed. The Bible is full of made up stuff. Apologists ignore that and start with the idea that it is true, then look for things to make it seem factual.
  11. It's flaws are the same as any O.T. prophecy. Write about historical events as if they are still future events. Voila, prophecy fulfilled! Seriously, nothing to worry about here
  12. Well, first of all I do not know enough about cultural anthropology. But sexuality IS dangerous. I mean, unregulated pregnancy is a social and biological danger for the community. I mean the fact that one parent families are somehow less able for child rearing that two parent houses seems obvious, as an example, although, yes , I am aware of non monogamous cultures around the world. This was just an example to show that sex is not without dangers. Second, disease, sexual and other transmitted. Third, there have been and still are many crimes of passion. So I can see why I strict enforcement and control of eroticism seemed necessary. It was kind of practical in many ways.
  13. Obviously he never was a True christian to begin with.
  14. http://apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=13&article=1790 its about how the prophecy of the destruction of tyre was fulfilled can someone read it and point out its flaws to make me feel better?
  15. The comments... the endless comments, each one with "the answer". Nothing about the utter failure of god's promises, the utter emptiness of the constant shell game of god's silence somehow being his perfect answer despite promises to the contrary, nothing but conform to the faith, rebuke for straying publicly, can't trust your mind even though your mind just said that...
  16. Daily Wire is where I first heard this news (oh yes, I'm a subscriber). Poor Knowles was lamenting this. I like the guy despite that he is Catholic, but to me his lament was a cause for celebration. Hillsong Church is a powerful force in evangelical Christianity, and the departure of one of their own is a decent blow to them at a cultural level. Maybe these people will found a more public ex-Christian community.
  17. Welcome, Man! If you step back for a minute, I'm sure you can see that this would be true of just about anything. If you belonged to any given cult think group and then saw holes and left, I'm sure there would be a group membership and participation void left behind. Especially any group involving strong belief. It just so happens for us that these groups were of christian varieties. I did live the same feelings you're living with now after parting ways with my church group. And it did leave with time. All I can say is that I kept pushing forward looking for answers. I went back and forth between the arguments of materialist science and secular scholarship and religious opposition. I weighed the arguments out for myself. I went off exploring the claims of exoteric writers in edition, as a third view. I basically just explored any interests or questions that popped up. After a while I was so consumed with learning and truth seeking that there wasn't any room to feel empty. As I learned about philosophy and the big questions and how uncertainty plays a fundamental role in existence, I didn't worry so much about questions that have no absolute answers in the first place. Making a close friend of uncertainty went a long way in my case. And some of these things may or may not appeal to you. But I'm just putting my own experience out there in case it may. Stick around. Have fun. Welcome again!
  18. Weezer, I can relate to that, though I still believe that I was not being hypocritical when preaching and pastoring. What I would say is that when I stopped believing I had a quite overwhelming sense of joy, of escape. So I suppose I had had doubts. The joy has 'shortened' the escape period, I think. Still working on it, but then the whole of life is a 'pilgrimage' it seems to me. (But never walking backwards!)
  19. Blue, I read your story and I could feel for you. I wanted to let you know that I am retired military. If you ever did want to report child abuse you should go to family advocacy on base. They could help you out with counseling services. I believe that they would take you seriously.
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  21. Hi RC. Sorry to see you go, but I do understand your reasons. I'm sure I'm one of the people with whom you have differences, but I'd like to think they are not irreconciliablen in that we could likely disagree without being disagreeable. Or to put it more succinctly, I support Donald Trump but don't derive my identity from him. I likewise wish the atheist community would return to its earlier state. I remember that back then, I was two years into ex-Christianity and considered myself very liberal. My views haven't changed all that much, and yet here I am watching YouTube atheists who are staunch conservatives. I hesitate to discuss too much politics at your sendoff from ex-C. I've always viewed this place as a sort of alcoholics anonymous. I may not derive my identity from the President, but unfortunately I'll always derive part of it from Jesus in the sense that I identify with not believing in him. Even my aforementioned politics derives from my eschewing of Jesus' values of compassion for strangers and larger social responsibility. So whether on ex-C or elsewhere, I doubt I will ever stop connecting with the community of ex-Christians. Yet there is something healthy about your view of this forum as a medicine. You're letting go of Jesus in a way I am not, and that's a good thing. I hope you will at least check in from time to time, but if not I wish you all the best. And hey, I'm glad you're dragging this out so that you and I can exchange any final thoughts that are on your mind.
  22. Life circumstances can also effect how long it takes. I began to question our church doctrine at 13, the inerrancy of the Bible between 35 and 40, and literally walked out the door in middle of a sermon at 50 years of age. As I look back, I think there were periods of time where I unconsciously, and at times consciously, shoved things to the back burner due to my employment situation, which was church related.
  23. The most universal religion/truth/purpose I have come up with, is to promote the wellbeing of mankind by studying what contributes to the wellbeing of mankind.
  24. WOW! That would have an unusually high suck-factor. What I meant to say is not that the time to heal is EXACTLY the same as the time in the faith. Just that the longer you were in it may be a factor in how long it takes to heal from the mind-control. I am not a mental health professional. That opinion is a reflection of reading people's extimonies here.
  25. Quote: MOHO .... I recon the length of time required is proportionate to time spent in the mind-control and how affected by it you were. Arrgghh!!!! I was in it from aged 8 to 68. Please, I don't want to live 'til I'm 128! Not that I'm completely free yet, you understand, but I'm happily getting there.
  26. Thanks , everyone, for the kind words of welcome! I can't say I disagree. Basically, the timeline for me works something as follows: Age 8-17 definitely Xian Age 17-21 wavering but nominally Xian Age 21-26 generally but not explicitly non-theist Age 26-31 tried to be an Xian again for a girlfriend Age 32-now fuck that shit I think your hypothesis that it takes about as long to get out of Xianity as you were in it applies in my case. I count about 18 years in in the definitely, trying, or wavering categories. Yikes!
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