Guest Joel Beeson Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Man, this site has changed dramatically! Not just in looks, but there is alot more tolerance in the forums. Maybe I just haven't clicked onto the right topics yet. Anyways, the reason for the post is this: One of the things that seems to be fairly common in arguments against Christianity is discrepancies in the Bible. What I want to know is which ones are where? I just want to have a look into them for myself. I don't really want to start an argument with this thread as I'm only after some information to act as a starting point. And where else am I going to get such a large response about discrepancies in the Bible? Thanks heaps, Joel B. PS - Just by the way, is that a smiley face licking him (or her) self to the left of the text box when your writing a post?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotter Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Joel, here is a list. For your PS, you can click on the smilies if you want to add more tones and emotions to your wordings and tone as your posts appear. btw, I am a God believer. Theological doctrines: 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17 13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28 14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15 God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33 15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19 God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5 17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9 God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12 18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39 God forbids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31 19. God tempts men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13 God tempts no man James 1:13 20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18 God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9 21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7 Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21 22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20 God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28 23. There is but one God Deut 6:4 There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7 Moral Precepts 24. Robbery commanded Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36 Robbery forbidden Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15 25. Lying approved and sanctioned Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22 Lying forbidden Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8 26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned 2 Kings 14:7,3 Hatred to the Edomite forbidden Deut 23:7 27. Killing commanded Ex 32:27 Killing forbidden Ex 20:13 28. The blood-shedder must die Gen 9:5,6 The blood-shedder must not die Gen 4:15 29. The making of images forbidden Ex 20:4 The making of images commanded Ex 25:18,20 30. Slavery and oppression ordained Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8 Slavery and oppression forbidden Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10 31. Improvidence enjoyed Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3 Improvidence condemned 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22 32. Anger approved Eph 4:26 Anger disapproved Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20 33. Good works to be seen of men Matt 5:16 Good works not to be seen of men Matt 6:1 34. Judging of others forbidden Matt 7:1,2 Judging of others approved 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12 35. Christ taught non-resistance Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52 Christ taught and practiced physical resistance Luke 22:36/ John 2:15 36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed Luke 12:4 Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed John 7:1 37. Public prayer sanctioned 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3 Public prayer disapproved Matt 6:5,6 38. Importunity in prayer commended Luke 18:5,7 Importunity in prayer condemned Matt 6:7,8 39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5 The wearing of long hair by men condemned 1 Cor 11:14 40. Circumcision instituted Gen 17:10 Circumcision condemned Gal 5:2 41. The Sabbath instituted Ex 20:8 The Sabbath repudiated Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16 42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day Ex 20:11 The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt Deut 5:15 43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36 Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5 44. Baptism commanded Matt 28:19 Baptism not commanded 1 Cor 1:17,14 45. Every kind of animal allowed for food. Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14 Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food. Deut 14:7,8 46. Taking of oaths sanctioned Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13 Taking of oaths forbidden Matt 5:34 47. Marriage approved Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4 Marriage disapproved 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8 48. Freedom of divorce permitted Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14 Divorce restricted Matt 5:32 49. Adultery forbidden Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4 Adultery allowed Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3 50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17 Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16 51. A man may marry his brother's widow Deut 25:5 A man may not marry his brother's widow Lev 20:21 52. Hatred to kindred enjoined Luke 14:26 Hatred to kindred condemned Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29 53. Intoxicating beverages recommended Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15 Intoxicating beverages discountenanced Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32 54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only Rom 13:1-3,6 It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/ Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35 55. Women's rights denied Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6 Women's rights affirmed Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9 56. Obedience to masters enjoined Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18 Obedience due to God only Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10 57. There is an unpardonable sin Mark 3:29 There is not unpardonable sin Acts 13:39 Historical Facts 58. Man was created after the other animals Gen 1:25,26,27 Man was created before the other animals Gen 2:18,19 59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease Gen 8:22 Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6 60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12 Pharaoh hardened his own heart Ex 8:15 61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9 All the horses of Egypt did not die Ex 14:9 62. Moses feared Pharaoh Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19 Moses did not fear Pharaoh Heb 11:27 63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand Num 25:9 There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand 1 Cor 10:8 64. John the Baptist was Elias Matt 11:14 John the Baptist was not Elias John 1:21 65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob Matt 1:16 The father of Mary's husband was Heli Luke 3:23 66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad Gen 11:12 The father of Salah was Cainan Luke 3:35,36 67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David Matt 1:17 There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David Matt 1:2-6 68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ. Matt 1:17 There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ Matt 1:12-16 69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23 The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt Luke 2:22, 39 70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness Mark 1:12,13 Christ was not tempted in the wilderness John 2:1,2 71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount Matt 5:1,2 Christ preached his first sermon on the plain Luke 6:17,20 72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee John 1:43/ John 3:22-24 73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff and sandals Mark 6:8,9 Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither staffs nor sandals. Matt 10:9,10 74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus Matt 15:22 It was a Greek woman who besought Him Mark 7:26 75. Two blind men besought Jesus Matt 20:30 Only one blind man besought Him Luke 18:35,38 76. Christ was crucified at the third hour Mark 15:25 Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour John 19:14,15 77. The two thieves reviled Christ. Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32 Only one of the thieves reviled Christ Luke 23:39,40 78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper John 13:27 Satan entered into him before the supper Luke 22:3,4,7 79. Judas committed suicide by hanging Matt 27:5 Judas did not hang himself, but died another way Acts 1:18 80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas Acts 1:18 The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests Matt 27:6,7 81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre John 20:1 There were two women who came to the sepulchre Matt 28:1 82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre Mark 16:1 There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre Luke 24:10 83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre Mark 16:2 It was some time before sunrise when they came. John 20:1 84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down. Matt 28:2,5 85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre. John 20:11,12 There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre Mark 16:5 86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave Matt 12:40 Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9> 87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost Acts 1:8,5 Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost John 20:22 88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the resurrection to go into Galilee Matt 28:10 The disciples were commanded immediately after the resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem Luke 24:49 89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at Jerusalem Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19 Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee Matt 28:16,17 90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet Acts 1:9,12 Christ ascended from Bethany Luke 24:50,51 91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood speechless Acts 9:7 Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate Acts 26:14 92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan Gen 12:5 Abraham went not knowing where Heb 11:8 93. Abraham had two sons Gal 4:22 Abraham had but one son Heb 11:17 94. Keturah was Abraham's wife Gen 25:1 Keturah was Abraham's concubine 1 Chron 1:32 95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the interposition of Providence Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12 Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years old without any interposition of providence Gen 25:1,2 96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor Josh 24:32 Abraham bought it of Hamor Acts 7:16 97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed forever Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8 Abraham and his seed never received the promised land Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13 98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan 2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be correct. Original manuscript was incorrect> The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan 1 Chron 20:5 99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram 2 Kings 8:25 Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram 2 Kings 9:29 100. Michal had no child 2 Sam 6:23 Michal had five children 2 Sam 21:8 101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel 2 Sam 24:1 David was tempted by Satan to number the people 1 Chron 21:1 102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of Judah 500,000 2 Sam 24:9 The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of Judah 470,000 1 Chron 21:5 103. David sinned in numbering the people 2 Sam 24:10 David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah 1 Kings 15:5 104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of famine. 2 Sam 24:13 It was not seven years, but three years of famine 1 Chron 21:11,12 105. David took seven hundred horsemen 2 Sam 8:4 David took seven thousand horsemen 1 Chron 18:4 106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver 2 Sam 24:24 David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of gold 1 Chron 21:25 107. David's throne was to endure forever. Ps 89:35-37 David's throne was cast down Ps 89:44 Speculative Doctrines 108. Christ is equal with God John 10:30/ Phil 2:5 Christ is not equal with God John 14:28/ Matt 24:36 109. Jesus was all-powerful Matt 28:18/ John 3:35 Jesus was not all-powerful Mark 6:5 110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6 The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation Matt 5:17-19 111. Christ's mission was peace Luke 2:13,14 Christ's mission was not peace Matt 10:34 112. Christ received not testimony from man John 5:33,34 Christ did receive testimony from man John 15:27 113. Christ's witness of himself is true. John 8:18,14 Christ's witness of himself is not true. John 5:31 114. Christ laid down his life for his friends John 15:13/ John 10:11 Christ laid down his life for his enemies Rom 5:10 115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death John 19:7 It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death John 18:31 116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents Ex 20:5 Children are not punished for the sins of the parents Ezek 18:20 117. Man is justified by faith alone Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2 Man is not justified by faith alone James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13 118. It is impossible to fall from grace John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39 It is possible to fall from grace Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21 119. No man is without sin 1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10 Christians are sinless 1 John 3: 9,6,8 120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead 1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16 There is to be no resurrection of the dead Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14 121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world Prov 11:31 Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10 122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20 Endless misery the portion of all mankind Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2 123. The Earth is to be destroyed 2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11 The Earth is never to be destroyed Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4 124. No evil shall happen to the godly Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13 Evil does happen to the godly Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7 125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/ Job 42:12 Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17 126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/ Prov 15:6 Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/ Luke 6:24 127. The Christian yoke is easy Matt 11:28,29,30 The Christian yoke is not easy John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8 128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness Gal 5:22 The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11 129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20 Longevity denied to the wicked Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17 130. Poverty a blessing Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5 Riches a blessing Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12 Neither poverty nor riches a blessing Prov 30:8,9 131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment Prov 3:13,17 Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow Eccl 1:17,18 132. A good name is a blessing Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1 A good name is a curse Luke 6:26 133. Laughter commended Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15 Laughter condemned Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4 134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness Prov 22:15 There is no remedy for foolishness Prov 27:22 135. A fool should be answered according to his folly Prov 26:5 A fool should not be answered according to his folly Prov 26:4 136. Temptation to be desired James 1:2 Temptation not to be desired Matt 6:13 137. Prophecy is sure 2 Pet 1:19 Prophecy is not sure Jer 18:7-10 138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10 Man's life is but seventy years Ps 90:10 139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast Gen 9:2 The fear of man is not upon the lion Prov 30:30 140. Miracles a proof of divine mission Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31 Miracles not a proof of divine mission Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19 141. Moses was a very meek man Num 12:3 Moses was a very cruel man Num 31:15,17 142. Elijah went up to heaven 2 Kings 2:11 None but Christ ever ascended into heaven John 3:13 143. All scripture is inspired 2 Tim 3:16 Some scripture is not inspired 1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34 ... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. - Matthew 26:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For wrath killeth the foolish man... - Job 5:2 ... let not the sun go down on your wrath. - Ephesians 4:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. - John 3:13 ... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. - 2 Kings 2:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. - John 5:31 I am one that bear witness of myself... - John 8:18 [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children... - Proverbs 13:22 Sell that ye have and give alms... - Luke 12:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches shall be in his house... - Psalms 112:1-3 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. - Matthew 19:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I and my father are one. - John 10:30 ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. - John 14:28 [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thou shalt not kill - Exodus 20:13 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side... and slay every man his brother... - Exodus 32:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. - Exodus 20:8 The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with: it is iniquity. - Isaiah 3:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water. - Leviticus 26:11 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them. - Exodus 25:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works. - Ephesians 2:8-9 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man, that he should repent. - Numbers 23:19 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. - Exodus 32:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and come forth... - John 5:28-29 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. - Job 7:9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. - Exodus 21:23-25 ... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. - Matthew 5:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honor thy father and mother. - Exodus 20:12 If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth... - Matthew 6:19 In the house of the righteous is much treasure... - Proverbs 15:6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. - Genesis 32:30 No man hath seen God at any time. - John 1:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. - Ezekiel 18:20 ... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. - Exodus 20:5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. - Proverbs 3:13 For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. - Ecclesiastes 1:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Lord is good to all. - Psalm 145:6 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. - Isaiah 45:7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire. - Matthew 5:22 [Jesus said] Ye fools and blind. - Matthew 23:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For all have sinned. - Romans 3:23 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. - Job 1:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - 2 Kings 8:26 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - 2 Chronicles 22:2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. - Numbers 30:2 But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by earth. - Matthew 5:34-35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... the earth abideth forever. - Ecclesiastes 1:4 ... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. - Jeremiah 3:12 Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. - Jeremiah 17:4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. - James 1:13 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham. - Genesis 22:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good. - Genesis 1:31 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart - Genesis 6:6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there perpetually. - II Corinthians 7:16 Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands. - Acts 7:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto. - I Timothy 6:16 The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness. - I Kings 8:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid. - Genesis 3:9,10 Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape. - John 5:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw God, and did eat and drink. - Exodus 24: 9-11 Whom no man hath seen nor can see. - I Timothy 6:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With God all things are possible. - Matthew 29:26 And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. - Judges 1:19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not the author of confusion. - I Corinthians 24:33 Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good? - Lamentations 3:38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those that seek me early shall find me. - Proverbs 8:17 Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but shall not find me. - Proverbs 1:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. - Leviticus 23:27 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offering or sacrifices. - Jeremiah 7:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the Lord. - Leviticus 1:9 Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. - Jeremiah 7:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not a man, that he should lie - Numbers 23:19 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. - Ezekiel 24:9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is none other God but one. - I Corinthians 8:4 And God said, Let us make man in our image. - Genesis 1:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians. - Exodus 3:21,22 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him. - Leviticus 19:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed. - Genesis 4:5,6 And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. - Genesis 4:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought for the morrow. - Matthew 6:28, 30-34 But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. - I Timothy 5:8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be ye angry and sin not. - Ephesians 4:26 Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in the bosom of fools. - Ecclesiastes 7:9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. - Matthew 5:16 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them. - Matthew 6:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven... - I Kings 7:22 When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men... - Matthew 6:5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb. - Judges 8:5 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? - I Corinthians 6:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. - Exodus 20:8 One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. - Romans 14:5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God commanded the to keep the Sabbath day. - Deuteronomy 5:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is nothing unclean of itself. - Romans 14:14 Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass. - Deuteronomy 14:7,8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. - Deuteronomy 27:22 And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. - Genesis 20:11,12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife. - Deuteronomy 25:5 If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless. - Leviticus 20:21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. - Mark 3:29 And by him that believe are justified from all things. - Acts 13:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come. - Matthew 11:14 And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not. - John 1:21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God. - Mark 1:14 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison. - John 3:22-24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him. - Mark 25:3-4 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king? - John 19:14-15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall. - Matthew 27:34 And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh. - Mark 15:23 [Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. - Acts 9:7 And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. - Acts 22:9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman. - Galatians 4:22 By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son. - Hebrews 11:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death. - II Samuel 6:23 The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul. - II Samuel 21:8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel. - II Samuel 24:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. - I Chronicles 21:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth. - Matthew 28:18 And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them. - Mark 6:5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There shall no evil happen to the just. - Proverbs 12:21 Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. - Hebrews 12:6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emerson Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 the xians are gone, I don't know if its because summer's almost here or what, but I kind of miss 'em. No more xians to make fun of or play with. lol. Especially fundy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgnosticBob AtheistPants Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Great list Scotter. Thanks for posting that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick5 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 *copies the list into a word file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Great Scott, that's a huge list!!! Joel, I guess from your post that you've been around this site before. Regarding the tolerance, I can't tell, I think it's just a person-to-person basis, and the forum is probably larger then last time you were here. (I would never think that anyone would ever say we were tolerant! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotter Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Thanks guys! Joel, you said you don't want to argue. Someday we still love to see how you do apologetics on the 300+ contradictions. Be it so all of the contradictions are "out-of-context", if this is your argument, explain to us every one of them the context of "out-of-context". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 There is sometimes a plausible way to explain away a few of the seeming contradictions. I think most here can agree that not every contradiction may not actually be one. But aside from those, there are far more that cant be explained away unless you really want to perform some crazy mental gymnastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tdawg Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Here is some help resolving these so-called contradictions. http://www.tektonics.org/lp/morgand03.html http://www.ovrlnd.com/Apologetics/101contradictions.html http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm That probably covers about 80-90% of what was just posted in that list that posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotter Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Thanks TD for the links. I think most of us are aware of tektonics and carm, ovrlnd is new to me. Some are good on their terms. However, the list for Joel is theological contradictions in greater proportions, fewer are "technical contradictions" like how many in numbers in this situation and that.....fairly speaking, what were Jesus last words and how many angels appeared by the burial cave of Jesus when Mary visited do not form the basis of Christian faith. Meanwhile the links you provided are more about "technical contradictions" in greater proportions and fewer about addressing theological / dogmatic contradictions that relate to the foundation of faith. Please take the time to look at the links and see if you would agree with me or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEMtron Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 or you can just look to the left and click on the compact bible errors link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 One of the things that seems to be fairly common in arguments against Christianity is discrepancies in the Bible. Which Christianity are you referring to? Certainly not mainstream Christianity. They don't take the Bible as literally true or without errors. That apparently isn't important to them as part of their faith. So to argue against something they don't believe in anyway seems sort of pointless, doesn't it? Unless of course we're referring to the segment of Christianity that believes in the absolute infallibility of the Bible in matters of faith, history, and science, and call themselves True Christians and all the rest not Christians, or "wrong"? It never ceases to bewilder me how some people's faith needs proof. That's a greater mystery than the theology of the Trinity doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInPA Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:16 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. 1 Cor. 13:4-5 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs Mark 16:16 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Rev. 20:12-13 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joel Beeson Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Thanks everyone for your help. It was a longer list than I was perhaps expecting, but it will be interesting to work through them all. My aim is not to come back to you with an answer to all of them, because I won't be able to, but purely just for my own benefit. I'm not doing this to find proof for my beliefs - there's enough of that around for me to keep believing. I like to study the Bible and I figure that by researching into what other people claim as being inconsistencies, some more pertinent truths might be revealed to me (just like when you study further into any other book!) And be serious, Antlerman - there are heaps of posts on this site and many others that state that Christianity is false because the Bible is contradictory. It doesn't matter whether it is an irrelevant topic to most Christians, because its relevant to those that argue it. Its getting late now, so good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I'm not doing this to find proof for my beliefs - there's enough of that around for me to keep believing. I like to study the Bible and I figure that by researching into what other people claim as being inconsistencies, some more pertinent truths might be revealed to me (just like when you study further into any other book!) And be serious, Antlerman - there are heaps of posts on this site and many others that state that Christianity is false because the Bible is contradictory. It doesn't matter whether it is an irrelevant topic to most Christians, because its relevant to those that argue it. Its getting late now, so good night. Proof for Beliefs. I asked before, and like to ask again, why does faith need proof??? I am being serious. Most Christians do not believe in the infalliblity of the Bible. It is true that around here everyone will tend to generalize fundis as "Christians", since a great many of us came out of that world. Myself I try to always distingush "fundamentalist Christians", but contextually this is what most of are referring to. I also think it is important for us as ExChristians coming out of fundamentalism to make this distinction and not assume that disproof of the Bible invalidate what the majority of Christians base their faith on. Most Christains ----- do not need proof for their faith, unlike the literalists who need something to bolster faith, apparantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I'd like to play Devil's Advocate (how fitting!) for a minute. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Christians went through ALL of their many Bibles, made them not only match in every way, but then edited out ALL of the errors and contradictions so that it now reads as a seemless and perfect Whole. What then? WOULD ANY OF US THEN BELIEVE IT? I know that I wouldn't. Just because a group of Christians managed to set aside their doctrinal differences and came up with a perfectly EDITED "word of god", that does NOT now make it "The Word of God". It would STILL be a book of fable, fiction, folklore and forgery, not worthy of belief. I don't care how many of these "so-called contradictions" can be explained or rationalized. It STILL remains a work of FICTION, and I ain't buying it. So...Why all the who-hah? Who gives a rat's ass about the holy babble? I don't. Ah, well. You may now return to your regularly scheduled waste of time discussion. P.S. - I agree with Antlerman. Why does Faith require Proof? Answer: It doesn't. Faith, by definition, is believing in SPITE of the lack of PROOF. The very moment you have Proof, you invalidate the need for Faith. They are mutuallly exclusive notions. So why do Xians constantly seek to "prove" their "faith" by validating/correcting errors in their bible? Someone seems a mite bit schizo to me. Either that or embarrassed by an illogical belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Be careful about going through that list Christian. Many of us lost our faith from studying the bible. If you won't like the answers you might not want to search for the answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 One of the things that seems to be fairly common in arguments against Christianity is discrepancies in the Bible. What I want to know is which ones are where? I just want to have a look into them for myself. I don't really want to start an argument with this thread as I'm only after some information to act as a starting point. And where else am I going to get such a large response about discrepancies in the Bible? Let's start with the big ones that are not interbiblical discrepancies. 1. Existence of Jesus is unverified. 2. God does not exist and that's a big claim in the bible. 3. Historically, there are a number of things wrong with certain prophecies in the bible, specifically the prophecies in Ezekiel regarding Tyre and Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 You know.... I could always attempt to try to rationalize how Khan knew Chekov, even though Chekov wasn't in Star Trek when Space Seed was produced. I could just claim that Chekov was on the Enterprise, but wasn't a member of the bridge crew yet. That could solve a contradiction in Star Trek. But it still doesn't make Star Trek true Likewise, your attempt to reconcile Biblical contradictions fails to realize that it still doesn't prove the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Joel Beeson Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 OK. I agree with your point Mr Grinch, about faith and proofs being mutually exclusive. I think the point I was meaning to make was that I am not going through the list provided to bolster my faith by proving that there are no inconsistencies in the bible. Antlerman, the choice of phrase I used was wrong. I maintain that I don't need proof for my faith (but in most other areas of this forum the question is asked for proof of Christianity), but the things I called "proofs" are better termed as "suggestions" ... ie there is enough suggestions of the existence of God that continues my faith. But I guess the issue about Bible contradictions is a moot point as suggested. A totally consistent Bible isn't going to convince people that it's true. But I'll keep working through them for my own sake. PS - I really enjoy this site by the way. Makes me think about things I may not have thought about before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAm_Lucifer Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 But I guess the issue about Bible contradictions is a moot point as suggested. A totally consistent Bible isn't going to convince people that it's true. Greetings JB, I'm interested in that point you made. I have not heard it before. I have come across something similar. "Even if God showed himself to everyone there would still be people who disbelieve". I really disagree with your statement. Wouldn't a totally consistent bible add more weight to what it is saying? Inconsistencies have led people away from Christianity and prevented others from converting. What makes you think otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 OK. I agree with your point Mr Grinch, about faith and proofs being mutually exclusive. I think the point I was meaning to make was that I am not going through the list provided to bolster my faith by proving that there are no inconsistencies in the bible. Antlerman, the choice of phrase I used was wrong. I maintain that I don't need proof for my faith (but in most other areas of this forum the question is asked for proof of Christianity), but the things I called "proofs" are better termed as "suggestions" ... ie there is enough suggestions of the existence of God that continues my faith. But I guess the issue about Bible contradictions is a moot point as suggested. A totally consistent Bible isn't going to convince people that it's true. But I'll keep working through them for my own sake. PS - I really enjoy this site by the way. Makes me think about things I may not have thought about before. I appreciate the response. It's the only one anyone has offered the countless times I have asked it of Biblical literalists. So would it be right to say that you are approaching biblical apologetics as a way to strengthen the cohesiveness and the presentation of evidences which to you suggest a tangible, credible truth behind the claims it makes? In other words, trying to establish the credibility of the messenger as a credible witness, who we can then believe in the content of their words in presenting tales of the supernatural? I don't agree with you in your statement that a totally consistent Bible wouldn't be convincing. People seem to have bought into it pretty much as a book a facts for quite a few generations until knowledge of other cultures and the sciences, and primarily - access to the bible itself, shed light on a vastly different looking reality than one portrayed in mythology. People are coming to terms in the modern world that it isn't a book of science or real history, yet it doesn't matter to most people who believe anyway since it's not about "fact" for them. The push to literalism and fundamentalism in this country began as a reactionary movement that started last century in response to modernism. Education and knowledge of children from rural areas threatened the simple rules of faith and social norms for those back at home. What is happening most places outside the edges is that Christians are redefining how they approach their faith. That will be the only thing that saves it from imploding as it from becoming ever more isolationist in its anti-knowledge. Biblical literalism in the modern age is a cultural phenomenon. I have no problem with, like the majority of mainstream Christians also have no problem with, the Bible having meaning to people as a book of spiritual meaning (or knowledge) written in the language of myth. It was humans who had a message to share of insights that they came to, presented in the language of metaphor, parables, mythologies, etc. The "histories" are literary vehicles. It's clear to most people that the effort to make mythology true history is the pounding of a square peg into a round hole, and shows a problem with that approach to religious belief that will ultimately fail. The only way it will succeed is if all knowledge is suppressed and destroyed, as is a favorite tactic of the fundamentalist with political power (refer to the Taliban as one example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Be careful about going through that list Christian. Many of us lost our faith from studying the bible. If you won't like the answers you might not want to search for the answers. "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." - Isaac Asimov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 But I guess the issue about Bible contradictions is a moot point as suggested. A totally consistent Bible isn't going to convince people that it's true. Greetings JB, I'm interested in that point you made. I have not heard it before. I have come across something similar. "Even if God showed himself to everyone there would still be people who disbelieve". I really disagree with your statement. Wouldn't a totally consistent bible add more weight to what it is saying? Inconsistencies have led people away from Christianity and prevented others from converting. What makes you think otherwise? Greetings, IAm Lucifer. In all fairness to Joel Beeson, it wasn't he who introduced this idea, but me. Joel was simply conceding that I made a valid argument. So, even though you addressed Joel, I think it only proper that I field your question. A totally consistent bible, RENDERED CONSISTENT BY THE LATTER EDITING HAND OF MAN, could ONLY serve to now invalidate the bible as the "Word of God." This is the FEAR of biblical inerrantists. The claim has always been that this Word Of God is INSPIRED by God and therefore "perfect". Yet, we all know of the MANY errors and contradictions within it's pages. But rather than confess that "God" made mistakes, the theologian must warp all logic and common sense to explain away these mistakes. Thus maintaining the illusion that the Bible is inspired and error-free, but that it is MAN who has the short-sighted problem of false interpretation. Correcting or editing out these mistakes would be a fatal confession that God made the mistakes, and is therefore not perfect. (Can't have that!) OR an even more grievous error of conceding that MAN is the one who wrote the bible to begin with, and that's why the mistakes exist. (Once more, you can't have that!) Think about it, people: Let's say that the church now confessed that the bible was FULL OF ERRORS and that they were going to set out to fix them. Just as any editor/writer would do to any work of FICTION. Do you REALLY think the church could survive such a confession? Such a confession is to admit that GOD screwed up! OR that man is the one responsible for this silly book to begin with. And as I said before, just because you can write the bible so that it now agrees in every detail, how does this HUMAN effort now make it the "Word of God"? Take for instance the story of Jesus and the demon possessed man/men of Gadara/Gerasa/Gergesa as related in the 3 synoptics. Re-write it so NOW it makes more sense. Does this editing trick suddenly make it true that "Jesus" cast out a "demon" named "Legion" into a herd of swine that then killed themselves? Not hardly. It's just better and more readable fiction. Just like cleaning up the mistakes or inconsistencies of competing Star Trek novels. No, dear readers, the church is now stuck with their inconsistent bible and will have to content themselves with chicanery, smoke and mirrors, intellectual dishonesty (sweep it under the rug and ignore the smell of offal) and strong arm tactics to keep the faithful and gullible believing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Helmet Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 It's really a catch-22... if the bible is coherant and infaillible it probably was written and edited over time by man or god wrote it (guess which one is more plausible), on the other hand if the bible has faults it cannot have been god who authored it since god is all-knowing and perfect and yaddi-yadda. They're screwed as long as they claim the bible is the innerant word of gawd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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