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  1. Hi Raoul, I just telling it as it is. When I joined ex-C I had lost faith and stopped going to church for a few months. Recently I have started going back again. I'm not a fundamentalist, and Im not out to force my views on anyone, and I dont claim to have it figured out, so maybe my style is different to others who visit here. I find this very interesting (the bit I have highlighted and boldened). I don't think you actually understand the concept of losing faith. Losing faith isn't about just being disillusioned with god, or having the shits with god. It's the realisation that the
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  2. That wasn't water they found. It was dinosaur urine.... Sorry but I couldn't resist....
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  3. Im pretty sure he's read the story of David and Jonathan before.
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  4. I think this highlights the crux of the problem: The idea is that it will somehow help you to think positive when dying of cancer, but that positive thinking isn't going to save your life, The rebuttal of the article even admits this! It's the main thing they actually broke down to addressing. A little anecedotal evidence shall we? I was thinking there wasn't a silver lining to my situation, so I rode my bike 50 miles to make that silver lining in my miserable life. And despite everything that's happened since in my life, I'm anything but as miserable as I was. Actually, look at my pos
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  5. The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus - Luke Chapter 3 23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melki, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josek, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri
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  6. Thats not the Christian view. Jesus didnt just follow God, he is God. Jesus is God the flesh. As to understanding the OT, that reflects the understanding of God by the authors of those books at that point in history. It reflects the culture at the time of writing. I disagree. Its very base is the belief in the person of Jesus Christ. Thats what Christian means, A follower of Christ. ohh... I get it. God figured out what a prick he was, decided to be 'born again' as Jesus to show us a gentler, more loving side. (without actually admitting he was a bastard, or apologizing fo
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  7. Suddenly wondering if all this "atheism is a religion" bullshit is sprouting because Christians no longer have any conception what a religion is with all their "Christianity is a relationship" smug self-regarding nonsense.
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  8. Dearest Heavenly Bible God, Father, Jehovah, Jesus, Holy Spirit, The Creator of the Universe, I come to you with the utmost sincerity of my heart, to talk with you. I have wanted to please you all my life. I have searched for you all my life. I have wanted to be one of your chosen. I never wanted to worry on this earth about going to your hell. So I tried to be good. Yes, I screwed up quite a few times, made quite a few mistakes, but they told me it was because I was 'blood and 'flesh' and that you were like the potter, taking this ‘blob’ of sinful clay and turning me into a diamond. I have a
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  9. religion is evil... it's so evil I can hardly find words to describe it's vileness... My deconversion, if you will, seems to have gone in a spiral... in steps. For a very long time even after I rejected christianity I clung to my various conceptions of god, or whatever—fuck—I don't even know what to call it anymore. I've studied and practiced various forms of theism.. from pantheistic witchcraft to Rosicrucianism, to Pentecostal, to... well, let's just say I've been to a lot of different branches of this faith thing, always thinking, nay believing, deep down that somehow there must be
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  10. This is my first post as a new member. Thanks to all who posted in the Encouraging New Members topic-- it definitely served its intended purpose and got me past the "lurker" stage. I've been in that stage for a while due in part to my hectic schedule (which thankfully has eased up to some extent), and partly because I was attempting to finish my deconversion letter and struggling to finish it to my satisfaction. I would write a couple pages, come back to it later, and decide it wasn't capturing the right tone, etc. Kudos to those who reminded us newbies that we can just post on topics relating
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  11. Margee, Thanks! I am going to try to write my x-timony, although I must admit that I am very intimidated after reading (and watching video) of others' stories. I am really blown away. Mine is nowhere near as interesting, and I don't have the skill for writing that others obviously possess. But, if it can help others in some way then I am willing to share the boring details.
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  12. Margee, I missed your OP when you first wrote it. It's excellent! Bravo! New2me, welcome to the forum.
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  13. This one isn't worth it. Unless you want to bang the receptionist, just roll your eyes, ignore it, and move on. If you do...get over it cause that aint EVER gonna happen...Then roll your eyes, ignore it, and move on.
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  14. Wow. Just wow. I definitely felt the same way as you expressed in your letter but could have never laid it out so beautifully. I am just loving this site and the opportunity to interact with people who really understand the deconversion process.
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  15. Look, I'm not going to debate you on this topic, simply because I don't have time. I've been up all night the last two nights catching up on university studies. I'm only checking in here when I take breaks from my studies. That is the reason I didn't check out your links, and I'm sorry if that offended you, but this subject is not the most pressing priority in my life right now. I still have at least another week's work to do before I can start on an assignment which is due in a week. And for the record, I was not trying to misrepresent you, either. Critical thinking is actually what I am
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  16. Yes, but if they don't want to get hit, their bodies will "shut all that down" and the fetus gnome can hit them all he wants.
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  17. Stuff like this really frosts my cookies. I thought that you were supposed to chase after him with all of your heart and all of your strength (I don't remember the verse - it's something in one of Paul's books.) They drive you crazy trying to tell you how to worship god and you drive yourself crazy trying to figure out how you're getting it all wrong. I am so glad I don't have to try to wrap my brain around this kind of crap anymore.
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  18. Sorry, I can see where there's some truth behind this, but I think his demonstration is bullshit.
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  19. I can live with that. Generally, I think it's a good idea to view life as a glass half full. Trying to force yourself to always smile in the face of adversity, however, is what Voltaire is referring to. Sometimes life just fucking sucks and telling yourself it doesn't isn't going to fix that or make it better.
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  20. On a more serious note; long after my deconversion and I was in nursing school, we had a speaker come in to speak about Therapeutic Touch. Therapeutic Touch is a form of woo that many academic nurses like to promote. It is basically just waving your hands over a person to reduce anxiety, supposedly induce healing, and open up a person emotionally. It is similar to Reiki. Anyway, she offered to demonstrate. Thoroughly believing it was bullshit and that I would not be affected, I came forward after a few others had. I didn't close myself up as I wanted to give it a chance, knowing whate
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  21. If he laid his hands on me, I would probably feel woosy too. He is a rather attractive man.
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  22. Old habits die hard. I still catch myself wanting to pray for someone when I feel sympathy for a bad situation they are going through. The friendship you experienced felt very real to you, so your grief at the loss of that perceived friendship is very real and understandable. Christianity teaches you that you always have a powerful friend taking care of you and that you will live in eternal bliss after your death. Those thoughts are very comforting to cling to, and hard to give up. Figuring out what the loss of those things means for my own life is the scariest part of my deconversion.
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  23. Yes it is part of the grieving process. It passes with time. You only had a relationship with yourself and the sooner you accept this, the sooner that feeling of loss will dissipate. You are still you and you can still talk to yourself if you want.
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  24. I’m a slow learner. It took me thirty plus years to figure it out and another seven years of study and research to convince me it was all a hoax, but even then it was hard to let go. My Christian experience was limited to fundamentalism. When it comes to brainwashing those folks are absolute experts. I think they could probably teach the CIA a thing or two about indoctrinating people.I found out that God is easier to grab hold of then to let go of. I tried to make the liberal and even progressive forms of Christianity work for me after leaving my fundamentalists roots, but that didn’t work
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  25. BD, again, positive psychology is completely different from positive thinking. http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/faqs.htm, #3. If the author of the aritcle I linked admits something that you think contradicts her starting position, maybe you don't fully apprehend where she is coming from. Perception is reality.
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  26. It's funny you post this. I was thinking it for my next post. I just couldn't remember who said the quote. Another thing is, if you think positive, you're less likely to want to change things, even if subconsciously. If you hate your situation bad enough, you're going to want it to change. That's to be said of the negative if used constructively, not the positive.
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  27. lol awesome can see the headlines now.... "ALIEN DINOSAUR URINE ON MARS PROVES GODDIDIT!" on page 3... Ken Ham has his first orgasm...
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  28. Sorry folks but I can't help thinking we all got punk'ed by him. I'm going by past comments of his in which he would take alot of time and effort to write about things. Over here, however, all he's done is toss out 1 liners and trite, regurgitated doctrinal explanations. It's as though he's conducting some kind of study to see how we respond or behave or whatever other idiotic thing he's up to.
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  29. But faith does play a key role. Hebrews 11:1-3 "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for.By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible" So...faith is using wishful thinking as a standard of truth. I can't even begin to express to you how unimpressive that is.
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  30. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids3.html "Soon after Earth’s global flood, the radiometer effect spiraled asteroids out to the asteroid belt, just beyond Mars." That is what happens when we start teaching religion instead of science.
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  31. Same here. My mom still is pro-choice. I mean, holy fuck, women can CHOOSE to have children? It's like all women just CAN'T have any idea how their bodies work, and wait for the magical fetus gnome to punch them in the vagina to get them pregnant. The invisible fetus gnome. Is this what christards and republicans think? Must be.
    1 point
  32. Whether we call it relationship or reliigion, it is a toxic obsessive compulsive disorder characterized by fear, shame and guilt.
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  33. I approve too! I wish I could give you a rep point, Ouroboros.
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  34. The funny thing is that if Christianity isn't a religion but atheism is, then the churches should lose their tax exempt status while any atheist should get it. I bet they wouldn't like that.
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  35. When I consider the short extent of my life, swallowed up in the eternity before and after, the small space that I fill or even see, engulfed in the infinity immensity of spaces unknown to me and which know me not, I am terrified and astounded to find myself here and not there. For there is no reason why it should be here, not there, why now rather than at another time. ~Blaise Pascal
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  36. In seeing the title of this thread I felt compelled to read it. The last time I was called a backslider was by a black evangelical. Proving that Bigotry is universal. From the sounds of your posts Adam, you have no clue what you are doing. From what I can see, you are not thinking about your actions and are merely doing what feels good. Thus, you are a hedonist. You are deriving pleasure from the confusion you haven't addressed. You are deriving pleasure from religion, and probably from the attention the church has given you when you left and then came back. You are obvious
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  37. Hi Adam, I wondered where you went Your statement below completely nullifies the entire gospel: According to the bible (Romans 5:12), if there was no Adam, then there was no original sin. If there was no original sin, then we are not all born into sin. If we are not all born into sin, then we did not need a redeemer (Jesus). I appreciate you coming back here. It shows that you are still searching and that is good. You will figure out what's best for you if you keep an open mind. Why not keep the positive character qualities from your faith? I did. I live by love
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  38. using the 'R' word was always a no-no when I was a christian; it still sounds weird now when i refer to it as a religion cos it was so drummed into us to never refer to it as such, despite the fact that's exactly what it is. It isn't science, it isn't architecture, it isn't a turnip.. it is a religion, twits.
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  39. The sheep may have always been pure of heart and single minded, but to the shepherds it's always been a business.
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  40. "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jeebus is LARD". No. Not gonna happen. Even if Jeebus, Sky-Daddy, and the Holy Spook exist, I WILL NOT BOW TO A TYRANT.
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  41. Hasn't worked for 2000 years, but we should be ok in another 30? I guess the negative scripture campaign is doomed as well then. Xians been carrying around those bibles for hundreds of years, never read them yet still believe in Jebus. They ignore what they don't want to hear...even if it's their own holy book.
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  42. Inconceivable! (that's actually appropriate here...)
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  43. Huh. My mom was pro-choice. That word, I do not think it means what they think it means.
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  44. this topic got me on the path of de-conversion. i suppressed my sexuality (lesbian) for YEARS AND YEARS, because i thought god didn't like it. iv just gotten rid of all my religion books and 90% of them were on this issue so I could understand more about what god wanted me to do. I swear it nearly killed me, I deconverted an absolute WRECK, and never felt more worthless in my life. I'm still dealing with latent discomfort in my own skin, but that's because I was vulnerable, naive, and fell for the bullshit hook line and sinker. so glad that part of my life is over. if anyones argument
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  45. That's a hell of an argument in a world overrun by kids. It's also an argument that is easily defeated in other ways. We don't have fertility tests as a prerequisite to marriage licenses. We allow the elderly and the opposite sex couples who choose not to procreate get married.
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  46. Church sign: "aren't you glad your mom is pro-life?" Church name. HBWT T is a cross. Stands for Have Bible Will Travel.
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  47. Medical rights are HUGE deal. I know one hetero couple that lived in a domestic partnership for over a decade, but when they got older and needed more medical care, they got married so they'd be able to visit each other in the hospital. Another hetero couple I know got married because he's got a lot of medical issues and it's cheaper for her to get him on her insurance as a spouse than as a domestic partner. For homosexual partners who can't marry, they are often kicked out of the hospital and unable to be there for their dying partner (there is some paperwork you can fill out that's supposed
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  48. I'm not sure what my first exposure to the idea of homosexuality (or bisexuality) was (probably Xena, Warrior Princess), but I don't remember having any kind of "ick" reaction, just more of an, "Oh, okay, that... explains a lot." Shortly after that, I came out as bisexual, to a grand reaction of... "Oh. Okay." So, hey, consenting adults? Have at it. Get married, go wild, make a life together, I'll cheer you on. I'm 100% FOR people being happy, man. I have NEVER understood the opposition to Love, and suspect I never will.
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  49. God removes the seeds. Evidence of his approving of abortion. He carves a smiley face on you forcing you to fake happiness. God gives you 'yucky stuff' then yanks it back out. WTF? The 'light' he puts inside you turns your insides black much like smoking cigarettes turns your lungs black. The fun part though is when cars run over the remains after some kid tosses it out into the street.
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  50. Like many here, Christianity was a part of my daily life from birth. My mom is a fundamentalist Christian and self-proclaimed Jesus Freak. She is also bi-polar, which layers visions and depression on top of religion, which makes her almost completely unbearable. I "asked Jesus into my heart" when I was 7, at an Assembly of God grade school. I memorized bible verses for school and at home, and was routinely spanked in both locations if I failed to memorize my lessons, which was explained as "better to learn now than spend eternity in hell". I survived a Baptist Junior High and Catholic High Sch
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