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  1. Hello everyone. I have been a member of the site for a few months now. I am very glad of the supportive community on this forum, and I am now ready to share my deconversion testimony. It comes in three parts. 1. My Life; 2. My Objections to Christianity; and 3. Deconversion. It is quite long, so it is better to present it in a few parts I think! This is Part One, My Life - up until the point of deconversion. My Deconversion Testimony By SquareOne Introduction On 1 January 2013 I began my life as an atheist. This is my deconversion testimony. I have written this test
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  2. Speaking of survival, here is a link to a National Geographic photo gallery entitled "The Art of Deception -- Sometimes survival means lying, stealing, or vanishing in place." I find it comforting to know that Nature has equipped us with this ability and that it's nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, it's quite fascinating.
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  3. I agree that you are not likely to change any Calvinists' minds. Their beliefs regarding salvation are based in circular logic, so good luck fighting that. That said, your only chance is probably if they hear your defended from a fellow believer. That's why I really appreciated this blog post from a xian blogger: http://alise-write.com/the-christian-guide-to-atheists-never-really-a-christian/ Seriously though, I think you're better off letting it go. You have nothing to prove to anyone.
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  4. I think what bothers us so much about the comment is that we see it as the believer shifting the reason for deconversion away from the facts and evidence that prove it valid and instead blame it on a weakness in us that does NOT exist. We want them to face reason and facts. They will go anywhere but that.
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  5. I was a worship leader for years and I still know how to 'make god show up'... It's all neuroscience. Maybe there's another way to get the buzz, without all the existential baggage?
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  6. Hey Margee! I too was deeply involved in PAOC and charismaniac churches of Vineyard ilk. Unlike you, though, I am way too much in my head and am often accused of being unemotional. I know what you mean about Vineyard music, though. I miss the god buzz, but even more than that I miss thinking I had Truth by the tail. I had mistaken the 'feeling of knowing' for actual 'knowing'...and actually thought that the feeling of being right was the same thing as being right. I was just thinking about some of those Vineyard songs the other day and how much they meant to me.....
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  7. Another problem comes up when one brings in the Aleph numbers which identify different orders of infinite magnitude. The statements made in the OP for infinity and zero don't apply the same way. In particular, the number 2 raised to the Aleph-0 power is Aleph-1, which is not contained in the lowest infinite order of Aleph-0. On a side note, a lot of the problems we have with infinity is that we simply are not able to comprehend it. I can't help but wonder if quantum computers will change this. To take that thought further, what would be the implications if quantum computers could deal
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  8. I am a very emotional person too, but an introvert. I hated the fake bullshit that went on in church. The performance art was just embarrassing. After watching the shitty way the church treated people for a very long time , I knew the love was fake. What makes me wonder is why I thought they would treat me any differently. My deep love for god was an emotional thing that was very personal. I resented the church fucking with it. The hook wasn't from the church, it was because of the idea of being connected with a source that was uncorrupted. Now I know there aren't any.
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  9. Bitch, please. ...ignorant, patronizing, assholes
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  10. Yeah, as a legally blind person whose wife is completely blind and who knows lots of blind people... Jesus Christ that picture is patronizing. It's like they think it's a miracle that a blind person can do anything. Fuck them.
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  11. I'm relatively new to this forum, but one thing that I have noticed is that there seem to be many former Reformed Calvinists posting here. Why is this? Having been raised in a Reformed Christian Reconstructionist church, I can see why this might be the last stop where a person rejects Christianity altogether. Once you start taking the whole Bible literally and stop dancing around the uncomfortable passages, you realize just how divisive and unpleasant it is. Plus, Calvinists are not particularly happy or charitable folks. Many of the ones I know are really obnoxious and appear to suffe
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  12. I have been reading a lot about the Christian perspective on sin. In all, there are as many positions on this matter as there are christian denominations. The conflict revolves around the competing teachings of christian salvation vs christian values. Whatever position you take, you can find an NT verse that supports it, so any resolution to the contradiction is very evasive. The questions will always remain, is there guaranteed salvation? Do you need to repent? How good do we need to be? Is it enough if we just don't really want to sin? Is it possible for a Christian to sin? Is it possible fo
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  13. "You never were a xian, it was a hollow facade. Real xians dont quit. And in case you arent getting the msg...since you're own xian faith ended miserably-we don't need a lecture from you on how to live." I don't think you can convince anybody, but my response to this is: "You have no power or ability to make such a statement and call it truth. You're not you're god. You are not all-knowing, and in particular you are not in any position to tell anybody what they think, feel, or experience. Making up some explanation for my experience is called LYING. Which is a sin, plus a very stup
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  14. I had a similar conversation with a former pastor (now atheist). We were in Starbucks, and he's like, "Do you realize that right now, we could just hold hands and start speaking in tongues? How fucked up is that?" I think it's a part of who we are. But I too get flashbacks.....
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  15. Jews believe that Paul started his own religion. My thoughts on this are that if religion is man based, then everyone has a free shot, and let the best man win. But if you believe that religion is God based, as I do, then man made up religions don't match up.
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  16. Them. I already know my sincerity for myself. But I don't like being accused of having had a cheap and easy faith or of not knowing what I'm talking about. I suffered to believe and I want to be taken seriously now that I no longer do. You left the Xian club so you must be shunned. Otherwise you may infect others with your *gasp* independent thinking. :-) Why not lower the level of importance you have given to their opinions? You know and they know that they are lying to themselves about your level of Christianliness. Do you want to keep company with morons like these? These are
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  17. Nobody likes being called a liar and no one likes being told they were not a true Scotsman when you certainly felt like one. The problem is, as others have suggested, you'll never convince those people you were really a Christian because they've already decided that you couldn't have been. The only evidence they need is 1 John 2:19 and such. No evidence you present will refute that in their minds. There's something else at work here. They're scared. If it happened to you it means that it could happen to them so they have to come up with some excuse; something they can point to about you th
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  18. I have the opposite problem with my mother! Because she knows that I was sincere about being "saved" when I was four years old, she refuses to believe that I'm no longer a Christian and insists on seeing me as backslidden or rebellious, because I can't possibly have become unsaved. But it's kind of a moot point insofar as, no, you never "really knew Jesus"... not because you didn't try but because there was no Jesus to know. If there's no Jesus, EVERY Christian's Christianity is a facade.
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  19. It has been established that the deconversion process usually is experienced in stages. Eventually the process is completed and at that point the former believer no longer cares what present believers think or believe. Then whether or not the former believer was ever a "true" Christian becomes completely irrelevant.
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  20. Take it from someone who originates from the Calvinist cult - there is no way for you to 'win' this one. I agree with comments already posted. Your worth isn't going to come from anyone who is still in the cult - they can not see the truth because they are living in a lie. Once again I find it so incredibly ironic that those of us ex-christians who actually TRIED to live for Jesus are the ones who end up leaving and dealing with all the crap that entails. Meanwhile the folks who don't take Jesus' words seriously are still considered "saved" and "true"...
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  21. Such is the destructive nature of faith. It's often difficult to tell even when I can hear vocal inflection, but I'm assuming that she said "I don't have any authority..." in a matter-of-fact, resigned sort of way. Like she actually believes that A. she doesn't have any authority to do anything about it and that B. "spiritual warfare" is what's even required in the first place (as opposed to having the stepbrother arrested). If so, that's some damn effective religious brainwashing going on there. I've heard that South Africa has a very high incidence rate for rape, so while I'm not about t
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  22. Them. I already know my sincerity for myself. But I don't like being accused of having had a cheap and easy faith or of not knowing what I'm talking about. I suffered to believe and I want to be taken seriously now that I no longer do. kruszer, The greatest burden in the whole world that has been lifted off my shoulders is the gift of not needing people's approval anymore. Work towards that hon. Then you'll be free. You won't have to waste your precious energy trying to prove anything to anybody. You already know how hard you tried to live for the lord - you have nothing more to
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  24. The text below is from a website I recently stumbled across: https://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/ (emphasis mine) It is usually left to the personal research of the curious amongst us, or the chance discovery of a student of religion to stumble across the historical, psychological, philosophical, anthropological and sociological problems of Christianity. This research, although often very long and arduous, can still come as a shock to the highly religious. <snip> Also Christians seldom do justice to the possibility of what we have read, thought and discovered, mer
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  25. I am starting to think that the so-called Holy Spirit is 1. A term to describe a neurochemical event within the body and mind that causes a certain 'buzz' . Hence, it is unreliable as a gauge for Truth. 2. An excuse or manipulation cloaked as spirituality.
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  26. Stuff in red: big assumptions. Not a proof.
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  27. Sorta weird but I did some calculations on Excel.... It said God + Church + Scripture = Baloney
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  28. You are obviously not an authentic Christian believer. Perhaps you could PM a moderator and ask the title to be changed. By the way, I'll tell you what I would personally be interested in hearing from you (and I suspect others would be interested, too) is whether you have ever considered the Christian assertion that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah and, if you have considered it, the reasons why you reject the notion. I would really love to hear an authentic Jewish first hand account of that. Welcome to ExC.
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  29. A little bit more concerning the issues set forth in the above post by me as it relates to why some deconvert and others do not. I have tried to read as many of the testimonies on this website as possible. I don't claim to have done any sort of statistical analysis, of course, but there does seem to be a pattern among members here. These are some of the common characteristics which I have noticed. They do not apply to everyone, but are very broad and general statements. 1. A disproportianate number of our members tend to be of a rare personality type based on the Myers-Briggs Type
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  30. The objective [knowing god] is handing over your authority/time/money to a church/pastor. The means is through weeks, months, years of emotional experiences such as prayer, singing, speaking in tongues, other bs supposedly authored by god.
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  31. Most of my christianity was being hooked on a feeling for god, when years later I learned that I was mistaken (as christians said) and christianity is not about being hooked on a feeling for god, but rather being hooked on a knowing of god. But then this is completly subjective and has as much value as being hooked on a feeling.
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  32. You could ask them that if the Holy Spirit is guiding Christians, why are there so many denominations each with their own separate and often conflicting interpretations of the Bible.
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  33. "That's odd, [Name of Christian Combatant], God put it on my heart to do/say/think exactly the opposite..." "Today, God put it on my heart to tell you, [Name of Christian Combatant] that you have been led astray by the Great Deceiver...let's pray against this right now and ask for forgiveness..." :-) Fun to twist them around a little. Give them some doubt.
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  34. I got 40K denominations that show there's no unifying spirit guiding them...of course all but one of those is "acutally" under the influence of the holy spirit and remarkably, it will ALWAYS be the one they happen to be in... [facepalm]
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  35. They give god the credit for a blind girl singing? Do they also give god credit for her being blind in the first place? The Xtians are the ones who are blind. bill
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  36. Wouldn't take much work for it to be a reasonable 12-bar blues. (currently, if each line were one bar, the "fuck you"-bit appears in a very good place, the first V-chord, but some of the lines feel like they should be one bar earlier or later. However, the bars get very long this way, so maybe it'd be better to have two 12-bar blues structures over it, but then the other half of the poem would require a great deal more rework :| ) Just my thoughts, been on a blues binge recently, playing blues improvisations basically an hour or three a day.
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  37. Put the fear of you into him with a malpractice lawsuit.
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