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  1. The thing that has helped me the most is that I have learned to trust myself, I have learned to give myself approval, I have learned to 'luv' myself and take care of myself. I won't let allow anyone to bring me down. I don't need to fully trust the human race anymore because I have accepted the fact that we are all nothing but evolving human animals. No one can hurt my spirit anymore - I won't allow it. I choose who I want to be in my life now. I am very picky about this. You might even call me a bit of a 'snob' at this point in my life but I am a friendly snob. I still smile and treat everyone with respect... and those who I feel like I cannot trust or if they are after something from me....I walk away from them. And I am finally happy. For the first time in my life, I am actually happy. No one has the power to take that away from me because I won't allow it.
    4 points
  2. Oh for fucks sake!!!!... if YOU know about it YOU are responsible to report it to the authorities. Pick up a god damn phone and report it to the local children's services AND the police.. and the kids school.. and the kids doctor and whoever else you need to. YOU have been informed of a crime and you could be charged with accessory after the fact, or if the authorities find out you knew and didn't inform them... obstruction of justice. (think about if she had told you about a bank robbery, or a kidnapping... same, same) doesn't matter... a child is in danger and SOMEONE has to speak up. Where do you think the kid gets it from... sheesh.... and screw the mom - she's an immoral idiot and doesn't deserve to have her daughter and you should have slapped her silly right then and there. it's a fucking CRIME. I don't know what other countries are like but here in Canada if a child is in danger it's a crime NOT to report it. Pick up the damn phone.
    3 points
  3. In thinking about this question it occurred to me that I probably should make a distinction between what I think of the people that post on this board and what I think of the way people come across to me on this board. What I mean is I’d be willing to bet that even much-maligned and almost self-proclaimed “assholes” like BO and Noggy are probably nice people IRL. I’d also be willing to bet that folks that grate on me because they sometimes seem overly-sensitive or reactionary probably come across as well-adjusted, genuinely caring and nurturing individuals IRL. I suspect I’d probably like the people who come across as assholes and it’s possible that I may even dislike some of the ones that don’t if we were to actually sit down and have a conversation across from each-other in some other setting. I need to be more mindful of the fact that internet personas are just not the same and many people are just not as equipped at expressing themselves in this kind of medium in a way that communicates traits that would otherwise make them likeable. It makes me wonder if some of you who may find me likeable on this board would think I’m a stodgy, pretentious asshole in real life (assuming I don’t already come across that way online). Usually when I encounter certain attitudes or reactions that I don’t like on here I chalk it up to the fact that so many of us have been hurt and damaged by the bullshit we were mired in for so many years. When I see people come across as just plain weird, I remind myself that just because I have a better personal filter doesn’t make me any less strange. This thread itself reminds me of just how unique this setting of exchange of ideas and thoughts is. I mean, just imagine if christavrous just stood up in a middle of a group of people and said, “hey, what do you guys think of everyone here?” and a bunch of people started actually answering the question in a rather candid fashion. That would be unheard of in others social settings. OK, I’m rambling. I said all that when I could’ve just quoted OF: So, yeah. What he said.
    2 points
  4. What follows is a post I made on the subject in another thread. I have cut and pasted it here for your consideration. I hope it helps: End-timers generally see the formation of the modern State of Israel in 1948 as the single most important prophetic event telling them that Jesus’ return is imminent. What is their basis for saying this? For many, it is the following: Quote The end-timers contort these verses by saying that the fig tree represents Israel and, in their minds, since Israel was re-established in 1948, they assert that the end “…is near, right at the door.” But notice something very important. In these verses the words attributed to Jesus did not, as they could have, say that when “Israel” is re-established, the end is near. Rather, the end-timers, being convinced that these “prophecies” refer to our times, search out obscure Old Testament passages which compare Israel to a fig tree and from there add words to the Matthew verses which are not there to try to make their point. But let’s go with what the end-timers assert (though it is nonsense) and assume for the sake of this discussion that Matthew 24:32-33 actually refers to the re-established modern State of Israel and see if their further assertion that modern State of Israel fulfills this “prophecy”. To go further, we must examine Old Testament “prophecies” for the rebirth of Israel. There are a number of them, but for the sake of time and space, I will refer to Ezekiel 37. Ezekiel 37 begins with Ezekiel being shown a dry valley full of bones. After some directions from God to Ezekiel which Ezekiel followed, the bones “…came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.” Ezekiel 37:10. God then explains to Ezekiel who these people are. He said, “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel.” Ezekiel 37:11. Note something very important in the words used. God said the bones are the people of Israel. Why is that so important? The answer comes as we continue in Ezekiel 37. However, before we go any further, a short review of history as told in the Bible is in order. Please note that I specified that it is a history as told in the Bible and I am not saying it is true history, because it is not. With that understanding, I will proceed. King David’s reign is considered to be the golden age of the history of Israel. Recall that the Bible asserts that there were twelve tribes of which the Jews (from the tribe of Judah) were only one. What David managed to do was to unite all twelve tribes into one nation called Israel. As time went by, there was a rebellion and ten of the tribes split off and became the Northern Kingdom of Israel and two of the tribes (Judah and Benjamin) became the Kingdom of Judah. 1 Kings 12. Thus, all that David had accomplished by uniting the twelve tribes came to naught and the tribes were separated into two nations. As time went on, the Northern Kingdom of Israel was defeated by the Assyrians and the tribes who lived there were carried off and never heard from again. The Assyrians then resettled the country with others. 2 Kings 17. With this brief “Biblical History”, we can understand the remainder of Ezekiel 37. After the people of Israel were brought back to life in the valley of the bones, God showed Ezekiel what he would accomplish. He did this through having Ezekiel prepare sticks of wood as described below: Quote God then explained what the significance of the symbol he instructed Ezekiel to make. It was that all the people of Israel, that is, all twelve tribes, will be returned and there will be one Kingdom. And this single Kingdom composed of all twelve tribes would be ruled over by King David. Ezekiel 37:18-28. In other words, this “prophecy” was that, not just the Tribe of Judah (or the Jews) would be returned, but all twelve tribes would be returned and form a single nation exactly as King David had ruled over during the golden age of Israel. Now, to take it back to Matthew 24:32-33 which I quoted above. If we assume that this is a “prophecy” for the re-establishment of Israel, then for it to be fulfilled, the following must happen: 1. All twelve tribes of Israel must have, in fact, existed (which is highly doubtful). 2. Assuming they did, in fact, exist, they must all be identified. And I do not mean just the Jews (tribe of Judah), but all twelve tribes. 3. All twelve tribes so identified, must return to the same kingdom of Israel as ruled over by King David. That means, of course, that it must be the exact same borders as when Kind David ruled. 4. The re-established Israel must be ruled over by King David. I’ll be generous and say that Ezekiel 37 does not mean the actual King David, but a direct father to son descendant of King David. The question is does the modern State of Israel fulfill all of these requirements? The answer is obvious – it does not. The modern State of Israel is composed of only a single tribe (if we assume there were tribes in the first place) and that is the tribe of Judah (the Jews) and perhaps some Levites. The borders of the modern State of Israel do not come even close to being the same borders as King David is said to have ruled over. Finally, the modern State of Israel is not ruled over by Kind David (or one of his descendants). Therefore, the re-establishment of the modern State of Israel has no significance from a “prophetical” standpoint at all. It only has significance from a “prophetical” standpoint because end-timers are trying to take modern day events and mold them into the fulfillment of their view of prophecy. But it doesn’t work.
    2 points
  5. It's a matter of perspective. In fact, you are experiencing a triumph of reason and success over indoctrination. Not many make it over that hurdle as it seems to be human nature to follow the herd and not question authority. The christian religion is a rigged game designed to keep everyone in failure so that they are constantly dependent on absolution. It's not you that fails when you step off the rat-cage wheel of fighting an unwinnable battle 'against the flesh'. It's a contrived dilemma of which you are now free. Now you just need to give yourself time to adjust to this realization. Let what you know intellectually become true for you emotionally too. It takes time when one is indoctrinated from their early years in life, but it will happen.
    2 points
  6. My original point came to address a very serious issue. How can anyone be a believer when truth leads one to be agnostic. How am I supposed to know if this or that happened. I wasn't there and great arguments are presented on both sides. The answer for me, at least, is that one should follow that special instinct inside him that guides you. This is purely personal and cannot be used to convince others. You can believe and present the side you believe, but that is it. You can say this is what I believe. That is unless you have logical proof. The second part was about Godly hints. Sometimes this too is personal and should be kept there. Sometimes it is share-able. Unfortunately sometimes it is self delusional. But when the matter is compelling or follows a very logical pattern (like DNA) then it is a gift.
    2 points
  7. Overall, we are not a monolithic group. We are all individuals with our own views on many things and on many topics we disagree among ourselves (as I would expect). Sometimes those disagreements seem to get rather heated which leads to accusations of what Margee so cleverly called, "assholism." I choose not to form an opinion based on those varied issues and how we interact with each other while addressing them. Rather, my opinion is based on what I see as the core mission of ExC. That mission is to provide comfort, understanding, help, and a sympathetic ear to the newly deconverted (and the not so newly deconverted). On that one issue, we do seem to be monolithic and on that issue I say that people on here are awesome!
    2 points
  8. Very true....never happened to me but the horror of it leaves me breathless! Most of my friends have similar molestation stories and I can see how it affected their teenage years and today their marriages. Decided that I will put pressure on my friend to take action against that boy, though he might have problems at his tender 15 years...(don't really give a shit), that boy is his parents problem, not hers!!! I'm glad. I'm always happy to hear from women who say "This never happened to me!" I was a 30+ year old man's toy from the time I was 10 to the time I was 14. He was a family friend and my brother's business partner. My mom told me "Well you shouldn't have been bothering him!" when I told her what he had been doing. He even did it to my friends. My school told me "Don't make up stories." My mom worked a lot and so did my brother. So this asshole had access to come over to my house and do horrible things to me in my own bedroom. He was never caught, and he was never prosecuted. Being raped is like stepping on a landmine. You're never the same, and you'll never function the same. The severity of the injury and the reaction will be different for every survivor, but we all have to work through the trauma. Some days, that old injury just aches like crazy and gets in the way like nobody's business. I'll never be able to enjoy relating to somebody sexually. I will never stop feeling his filthy hands on my body instead of the person I love. I can't grow that back anymore than an amputee can grow back a leg. Orgasms are nice, but not worth it. Please, DO take a stand for that girl. Somebody...ANYBODY listening to me at the time and forcing the issue could have gone a long way in helping me and others if they had stepped past their own cowardice and faced the issue. There is something truly fucked up in this boy's brain chemistry. He NEEDS to be restricted and treated.
    2 points
  9. The 12 Steps of Assholism of Ex-c...... Step 1. I admitted that I was a complete asshole and my life has become totally unmanageable because of my big mouth on Ex-c. Step 2. Came to believe that an Ex-c, 'non-asshole' member could restore me to sanity. Step 3. Made a decision to turn my life over to the care of the 'non-asshole's' on Ex-c. Step 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of myself as an asshole. Step 5. Admitted to all the 'non-asshole' members on Ex-c, and to myself, the exact nature of my assholism. Step 6. Was entirely ready to have the 'non-assholes' on Ex-c remove all these defects of character. Step 7. Humbly asked the 'non-assholes on Ex-c to help me remove my shortcomings as a recovering asshole and to forgive me. Step 8. Made a list of all the 'non-asshole' members of Ex-c I had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all, before calling them assholes again. Step 9. Made direct amends to the 'non-assholes' on Ex-c, wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them again by calling them an asshole. Step 10. Continued to take personal inventory of my assholism and when I was acting like an asshole, promptly admitted it. Step 11. Sought help through the 'non assholes' of Ex-c, to improve my conscious contact with my assholism , asking only for their knowledge of how to defeat assholism and to give me the power to carry that out. Step 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, I tried to carry this message to other assholes on Ex-c and to practice my new 'non assholism' in all my affairs on Ex-c.
    2 points
  10. To those who recognize their asshole-ness: Acceptance is the first step on the road to recovery.
    2 points
  11. Almost everyone on here is awesome. There are a few that lack common human decency and care only about themselves. They know who they are.
    2 points
  12. Actually, I would say BO is asshole number 1.
    2 points
  13. This is actually far too common a reaction from parents. They can't deal with the horror and the royal shitfest that comes from finding out your child has been raped (and usually the rapist is another family member or friend), so they just ignore it in hopes it will go away. It happened to me, and I can't tell you how many other childhood sexual assault survivors I've run into with the same story. Seriously, if you aren't willing to step up when shit gets real and protect your own helpless child from predators, don't bother having kids. My husband would be warned that if his fucking demonspawn came anywhere near my daughter or me again, I'd show him the true meaning of HELL ON EARTH.
    2 points
  14. Like some of you living in a coastal city, you will from time to time get visitors to explore the Mother City, this case, Cape Town! So, my friend and her husband came to visit me and all went well except for the fact that I didn't full on said that I'm an atheist. Besides the point that she never once asked me how I'm doing...... it was all about her..... We went for coffee at a local Mall and then she told me about her 10-year old daughter's ordeal after being raped by her stepbrother. I nearly had a stroke and felt like strangling someone.... poor girl! All she said was.... "I am waiting for my husband (was his son) to confront his son. And besides, I don't have any authority to bind the spirit or do any spiritual warfare." "Bull shit", I said. "You know I don't believe in that shit!!!! Get your act together and protect your little girl!!!!!" How many "moms" just shrugged their shoulders after believing that bull shit lie that the devil is behind it.... WTF, it is your daughter....
    1 point
  15. It would have brought closure and it would have given some peace and relief. I not only was stuck being left alone with no protection, I knew he was trying to do this to other girls. I feared for them. He'd already done this to a friend of mine at my place. Her parents wouldn't let her come over anymore, but I was allowed to go there. Worse, my stupid-ass neighbors started hiring him regularly as their handyman. By that time I was in my 20's and I was stuck having to see him regularly. He wouldn't try anything with me because I was an adult then and I could pound his old ass into the ground by then, but he DID try to talk to me like I was an old friend. Ah hah hah hah. Hah hah. FML. I told them about what he did to me as a child. They winced and acted sympathetic, but being the devout Christians they were, I think they figured it was important to forgive him and kept giving him work. I did manage to warn a neighbor girl who was around 10 about him. Her parents HIRED him even AFTER I WARNED THEM. The girl, thankfully, wasn't stupid. She would leave the house to go to friends whenever he came to do work at their place. He never got to her. They DID eventually stop hiring him for work at that house. I did in my mid-20's bring up the subject to my mother again and told her just how FURIOUS I was with her for her failure and abandoning me for four fucking years to a predator. She began to cry and said over and over, "I didn't know...I didn't understand." I think what she meant was that she had shut down so completely against the horror that she had effectively talked herself out of the idea that anything was going on (she was REALLY good at that. She was the LAST person you wanted around in a crises.) She was also under so much stress at the time because she had just gotten divorced and had two abused and damaged children to care for by herself that her brain just went "Nope!" and shut down. Everything was dandy. Kind of amazing how the human mind works like that. Even writing this out it kind of gobsmacks me that I could TELL so many people in explicit detail what this monster does to little girls, and they just ignored the danger. Just...wow. I agree with Wanderinstar - I got the message that I wasn't worth saving. I wasn't worth protecting. I was simply an unwanted inconvenience. That has hurt and damaged me far worse than being sexually assaulted. And another thing that drives me crazy is people think if I have "enough" therapy that I'll suddenly be able to enjoy sex and be "normal" once again. This is why I liken it to stepping on a landmine and losing a limb. To try to make the damage visible. It's not like I can never have sex. I can still go through the act with my husband and even orgasm. So, I can function just like someone who's lost a leg. They can still walk, just differently. But I just can never see sex as a loving act or "connect" to a person in that fashion. And there are times where that old wound starts aching so bad I can't stand being touched at all. It passes eventually, and I just keep chugging along.
    1 point
  16. Wow, this is really a great thread. Serves as a good example that many of us would like aspects of Christianity to be true, we really would... But we can't ignore the questions or the reality that there are massive issues that it also contributes to.
    1 point
  17. hmmmm.... everyone's drive is different but it's usually a pretty strong drive.. up there with sleep and food. It's a great way to control people... and the reason it's so popular is.. it feels good, or it should anyway. NOT because of the babies - they are a side effect. lol I don't have a problem controlling my sex drive anymore and at the moment am single and okay with that... but that doesn't mean I'm asexual or have lost my sex drive, just mature. I do have to say if you think sex is only good for making babies then you haven't had good sex. Trust me.. babies are the last thing that comes to mind. Sexuality is an intrinsic part of what makes us human, it colours a whole lot of who we are and the behaviors we have and the relationships with not just those whom we are sexually active with but most other relationships too. It's important in bonding and intimacy with a partner... and it's also important to ones' health, though some people can be healthy without a sex life, it's not common. Though it is possible that you may just be one of those people who has a very low sex drive.. you might want to get checked out - there are a lot of medical things that can mess up the hormonal balance and that will definitely affect your libido.
    1 point
  18. No, you're just interested IN their assholes.
    1 point
  19. Since alot of people have experience in the tarot, more so than me, Ill open a thread named tarot discussions and we can all discuss the card meanings, decks, history and spreads.
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  20. hopefully this end time will be as upbeat as this.
    1 point
  21. Margee, In this you want a deck you like. I like the Hanson-roberts deck. It ultimately doesn't matter as all decks will have the same cards with different images. The way I did readings was always to use the Celtic cross. Then look up the meaning of the cards, and then look for the "story" or "thread" that connects them. I usually found I worked "better" when practicing on people. I don't believe I ever had someone ask a question out loud. However, I got many shocked looks or wide eyes when I started saying what I was seeing. I once did a reading for a woman who had been dating a friend of a friend. I only knew her casually. She asked me to so I did. When I told her that she was feeling the current romantic situation was "unstable" and "based on merriment and partying" she physically pulled backed away and didn't listen to anything else I said. A friend's wife asked for a reading. I knew their situation at the time. So when the cards came up I laughed. She wanted to know if she was EVER going to get pregnant. The cards showed that while she was currently frustrated with the situation to relax. The path was heading more toward a baby than not. About 3 months later it finally happened. That was kinda a given based on the fact that they were trying multiple times a day. So it really had nothing to do with predicting anything as it was pretty much going to happen. For myself, I find it a good way to concentrate. I can focus in on the question and shut out the noise. Now that I am talking about it I think I need to dig my cards out again.
    1 point
  22. Sometimes the assholes have awesome things to say, and sometimes awesome people run out of patience and act like assholes. But for the threads that doen't get out of hand and turn into a pissing match between a small number of people that destroys all hope of intelligent conversation (at least for a few pages), this site is definitely awesome.
    1 point
  23. No one could ask for more than that. I'm happy for you!
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  24. I suspect that there is another step. It's sorrow at having thrown away and wasted the best part of my life. I'm not angry at myself. It's not like I had a REASONABLE alternative choice. But those years cannot be reclaimed. Those memories remain. Now that I have found out how wonderful life is, my body is too old to take advantage of it.
    1 point
  25. It took me about 8 years to "come out of the closet" and tell my family that I no longer believed in jesus or the bible. I went through years of depression...trying to sort out what purpose my life had and feeling guilty about being two-faced with my believing family and friends. I think there is no right answer as each situation is different. I think for some people NEVER telling certain family members might be the kind and compassionate thing to do. I am pretty sure my mother will never really question her faith or abandon it, and telling her the truth certainly hurt her and I'm sure causes her distress as she worries about my mortal soul on a daily basis. Yet, in the end, being true to myself and telling everyone was very freeing for me emotionally, and in the end I'm glad I did it. I can't explain why...but i suspect that a lot of this is rooted in my christian roots... But these ideas of being a "success" or "failure" is just a morality branded on you by HUMAN society. The reality of it is only as powerful as your belief in it. I think the most important thing is finding YOURSELF. For me this was a discovery process that took years (and is still ongoing!) as i peeled away the religious identity i had been swallowed up in.
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  26. Speaking for myself, I am convinced I would have recovered quicker, and perhaps to a greater degree if someone had of stood up for me as a child. I am nearly 40 but I can still sense the child in me long for someone to rescue me, that is just one of the many ways my emotional and relational health has been damaged by the fact that I was being horribly abused, for around a decade but no-one noticed - which to me meant I wasn't worth rescuing. My parents are genuinely beautiful, caring people and demonstrate their love for me often, which is why it is so hard for me to fathom that I could be abused, regularly by a much older cousin and them not notice. As an example; my mother would let him over when he was 18 and I was only 10. He would come to see me, take me to my room, close the door and a significant amount of time later we would emerge. It was like he had power to threaten my mother without her acknowledging the threat. Although I now forgive my Mum, she cannot forgive herself as she is aware of just how badly she failed - it is easy for me to love her when it is so clear she is doing all she can to make it up. I'm not sure if that is what is going on here but considering the family dynamics involved I can imagine the mother could be easily manipulated to not make a report. Massive amounts of denial is also very common in family members of sexual abuse victims. Either way the woman is an adult and, unlike the case with my mother, actually KNOWS a crime has been committed. From my experience christians think you shouldn't take people to court in the case of sexual abuse, instead forgive them, repent of your sins and cast out the relevant demons. Same said christians will happily run to the police if their house is broken into. People generally run, hide or go into denial when the abuse of children is involved. It makes me livid. Report it, someone has to be the voice this girl does not have. Even if the process is blocked somewhere along the line, one day she will know that someone cared enough to fight for her.
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  27. Does that include you? Because of all the things I have seen you write about other people, I don't see how awful you are, I see someone who has been deeply hurt like myself and that helps me understand why you say what you say.
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  28. The 12 Steps of Assholism of Ex-c...... Step 1. I admitted that I was a complete asshole and my life has become totally unmanageable because of my big mouth on Ex-c. Step 2. Came to believe that an Ex-c, 'non-asshole' member could restore me to sanity. Step 3. Made a decision to turn my life over to the care of the 'non-asshole's' on Ex-c. Step 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of myself as an asshole. Step 5. Admitted to all the 'non-asshole' members on Ex-c, and to myself, the exact nature of my assholism. Step 6. Was entirely ready to have the 'non-assholes' on Ex-c remove all these defects of character. Step 7. Humbly asked the 'non-assholes on Ex-c to help me remove my shortcomings as a recovering asshole and to forgive me. Step 8. Made a list of all the 'non-asshole' members of Ex-c I had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all, before calling them assholes again. Step 9. Made direct amends to the 'non-assholes' on Ex-c, wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them again by calling them an asshole. Step 10. Continued to take personal inventory of my assholism and when I was acting like an asshole, promptly admitted it. Step 11. Sought help through the 'non assholes' of Ex-c, to improve my conscious contact with my assholism , asking only for their knowledge of how to defeat assholism and to give me the power to carry that out. Step 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, I tried to carry this message to other assholes on Ex-c and to practice my new 'non assholism' in all my affairs on Ex-c. Clever
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  29. Well...no, these people (me, in this case) are providing legitimate arguments. At some point, a person more qualified than you is going to say something that you aren't in a position to disprove. You can either educate yourself further, find another scholar who has a competing viewpoint, or cede the argument. Right? You could ask the same questions about God. And the same answers (such as "God is eternal") can be applied to the primordial universe. I think that the first cause of the universe is God, but I don't know of a way to prove it. Let me know if you have a good argument, because I'd like to hear it. No offense, but your mathematical proof isn't convincing. It's not even a formal proof. It's not beyond reason, though. It's a well-defined mathematical concept. It's so clearly defined that kids learn about this in high school. Oh but I did disprove this point. Indeterminate forms such as infinity*0 can easily be evaluated by high school students. I did hundreds of these problems back when I was 16. My friend, you're trying to extract profundity from quite a mundane concept.
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  30. It's funny you mention this, my experience in Christianity is similar. Christianity relies heavily on the Old Testament, and sometimes I wonder how the religion has gone 2,000 years without this being its undoing. Back when I was a Christian, I noticed that the Old Testament gave a fairly self-consistent view of God, only to be upended by the New Testament. This clash is very obvious, and Paul goes to great lengths to address the issue. But his arguments were never that satisfying to me. As you say, Paul's stuff is just crap. The Torah makes very clear statements that it is a set of perpetual statutes for Israel, and then Paul casually dismisses them and says that the Torah has been superceded by the gospel. There were times of doubt (or perhaps clarity?) when I too realized that the New Testament could not be reconciled with the Old, and considered becoming Jewish. Who knows? Maybe that's why I retain a continuing admiration for Judaism. Well, that and the fact that it is an unabashedly anti-Christian religion. Oh, I can surely relate to this. I don't really have any logical reason to believe in Hinduism myself. Mostly I believe in it because it's the religion I was raised in, and I prefer it to being an atheist. I think this degree of intellectual humility can do us all a world of good.
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  31. Judaism does not require being Jewish. Judaism was always better than christianity regarding women. No it is not up to date in the orthodox world, but it is a highly complicated matter, just like life is not perfect, you have rich and poor. Who is better? For the most part women are well regarded in Judaism, but they don't get all the outward privileges. The biggest problems are caused by the attraction between men and women which screws everything up. So, both genders are equal, but one is more equal than the other. I get it. I disagree that the biggest problems are caused by the attraction between men and women; the greatest beauty is caused by this. There is nothing better than both genders working together. I have a hunch that this issue will represent an impasse for you and I, so I wish you well in your quest here. Cheers. Equal worth, but unfortunately not equal roles or rights. But like the rich and the poor, who is better? Yes, the attraction between men and women is the cause for the greatest beauty, but also the cause for big problems. Men know this much more than women do.
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  32. If that was my daughter that boy would have been locked up... and he would have been terrified of me from that time until the day he died. husband would be out on his ass too. bye bye
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  34. Agreed. Although there is one other than exceeds him, but isn't around much now.
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  35. They're all OK except (insert name of personal nemesis here) and he/she is a douche.
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  36. Galien: You have been unlucky. It happens. Bit there are other kind of people out there. Don't give up on love. Please. bill
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  37. Does she think she should not interfere because the scumwad isn't her son? What does binding the spirit have to do with coming after criminals??? Oh. Spirit of lust. 1) Lust doesn't rape people; assholes do. 2) Witch doctor magic will not stop him.
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  38. Galien: "Love" is the best part of Xtianity and you can take a new and improved version with you when you leave. bill
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  39. Positivist: I think all of us here have felt stupid for the things we believed as Xtians. We are all the born again skeptics. bill
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  40. My heart goes out to you. I went through something similar a good ten to fifteen years ago. In my experience it take time but it gets better. One of the things that helped me the most was finding people in whom I could confide who didn't share my family's beliefs. Unfortunately guilt and shame are often a part of the process. It's manipulating guilt and shame, after all, that religion has fine tuned over the centuries in order to perpetuate itself.
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  41. Thanks for sharing - you should be proud of the fact that out of millions and millions of subservient sheep, you had the courage to stand up and use your evolved intelligence and innate courage to get real. Stay real! It's the only way to be truly free. As for ideas of "god" without resorting to more mysticism and cult; Richard Dawkins refers to the "Einsteinian Religion" and quotes Einstein in his book, The God Delusion as follows: "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion. I have never imputed to Nature a purpose of a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism. The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive." I think this is the closest idea of god for me in this life...
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  42. rachelclare: I think you should be proud of yourself for thinking yourself out of the Xtian cult. You are in a very small minority who have been able to do that. Now that you have, try using that good brain of yours to get involved in something "greater than yourself". What that is depends on you. But there's no better way of getting a feeling of accomplishment than to get your mind fixed on something helpful to others. bill
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  43. A failure how? I know this is going to sound corny, but there's no right or wrong way to go through a transition like this. Nobody's going to bring you in for not being Un-Christian enough or something. There's no bad way to be yourself. No bad way to make decisions, or think things through, or feel your way forward. Every step you take, is, in some way, a success. So, just by thinking for yourself, you are a success. That's what I think is so remarkable about this site, and the people on it: it takes a lot of moral courage to think for yourself, and come to a painfully won conclusion. A lot more than simply doing what you're told and never questioning it.
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  44. I voted all a awesome because, even the assholes on here are awesome.
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  45. If jesus approves the people, so do I!!! I love Ex-c!!
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  46. Perhaps this will be of help re: defining what Infinity is or isn't and what the Infinite is or isn't? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor "The actual infinite arises in three contexts: first when it is realized in the most complete form, in a fully independent other-worldly being, in Deo, where I call it the Absolute Infinite or simply Absolute; second when it occurs in the contingent, created world; third when the mind grasps it in abstracto as a mathematical magnitude, number, or order type. I wish to make a sharp contrast between the Absolute and what I call the Transfinite, that is the actual infinities of the last two sorts, which are clearly limited, subject to further increase, and thus related to the finite." Gesammelte Abhandlungen, 1932. So, if I understand Cantor's position correctly, he might say that Nat's proposition is fatally flawed. Nat presents a line of mathematical argument and then changes gear at this point, by asking... "What does all this mean? God is the infinite. The opposite of God is nothing. Judaism teaches that God made this world from nothing. God*0=all things. And that is the mathematical proof to God. Thank you." Cantor might say that this change represents a shift from the third class of infinity (in abstracto) to the first (in Deo) and that these two definitions of infinity cannot be compared in this way. Abstract human concepts of the infinite cannot be coherently compared to the Absolute Infinite represented by God. The first (In Deo) is unknowable and incomprehensible, while the third (in abstracto) is not. In Deo is not equal to, divisible by, less than or greater than In abstracto. In Deo cannot be linked to, related to or connected to In abstracto. In abstracto (being a function of the limited human mind) cannot be used to say anything coherent or meaningful about the absolute and unlimited In Deo, because the mind is simply not up to the job. You can only prove what is knowable by the human mind and you cannot prove what you cannot know. Thus, a mathematical proof of God is impossible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nat, Please note that I'm playing devil's advocate here and arguing the case from what I think Cantor's p.o.v. would be, ok? Thanks, BAA.
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  47. Ding Ding Ding We have a winner. All I hear is anti gay, anti abortion rhetoric (but being pro war is biblical and holy). Fuck the xians Like my signature says, actions speak louder than words. Their actions toward anyone who's gay (or anyone who's not exactly like them for that matter) reveal the truth about what kind of people they really are, and their words to the contrary are meaningless.
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  48. Like my signature says, actions speak louder than words. Their actions toward anyone who's gay (or anyone who's not exactly like them for that matter) reveal the truth about what kind of people they really are, and their words to the contrary are meaningless.
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  49. I'm glad to be here, Margee and Blue elephant. I find this site way more positive, welcoming and real than the xtian forum i used to post at could ever hope to be. You got a point there, Overcame Faith. I was curious about church, and it seemed like that would help with the problems i was dealing with. That's the impression i got as a kid. Church was of no help whatsoever, in fact, it created more problems all around. I get that people will be backstabbing gossip junkies, but a church setting is where you'd least expect that kind of thing, along with mockery, pettiness and sexual assault. We're adults. We're supposed to be above that kind of shit, but not where an ideology that embraces gullibility, superiority, entitlement and ignorance is concerned. No deity got me through those horrible years with the untrustworthy people growing up. No deity got me through what happened late last spring with Tom. No deity got me through those few years my mom and i spent in poverty when we were both out of work. That was my own resilience. I wish i'd kept that in the back of my mind all along. I definitely dodged a bullet with Eric. There were some other girls there who were middle schoolers like Tracy and i were. Her older sister was there as well, who was in high school at the time. There were no other adults but him and his mom. He wasn't counting on my mom being astute enough to say "no more" after that second Sunday there, since he knew she worked a lot. I am happy now. I have my moments, but that will get better with time. Ivy and i are closer than ever now. We spent Friday watching the first season of Once Upon a Time at my house since the weather was so bad.
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  50. Ugh...right on the nail. This is one of the reasons why I started de-converting.I noticed how much people exploited people's needs,especially the need to be loved.Lots of people got hurt,myself included.
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