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  1. Gather round young children I have a story to tell. about our ancestor whom we wish well. His name was Adam and we are his progeny. God his creator had not just one cause but many. blah blah blah Time to delve into the Adam and eve story once more dear readers. This time I am going to highlight the most obvious god fail I have seen thus far and reinforce the servant/slave concept that exists in the creation story. First I will start by pointing out our cause for creation was simple and that was to work the fields that god created us to serve him like a good slave. Genesis 2:5 5 Now no
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  2. How did you find out that they were Christians? If it's because they tried to convert you or can't talk about anything except Christianity, be friendly at work but look elsewhere for new friends and don't get emotionally entangled with them. If it was something tangentially mentioned, treat it like you just found out that they like a sport or music genre that you dislike. If you were the one who brought up religion, drop it and appreciate that you can make friends who aren't identical to you.
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  3. Rachel, I'm so sorry hon that you had you go through all this in your life. You are right, it is insanity. When the church gets control of people's minds and they use the fear of god as a tool, anything can happen. I have been so bitter through my deconversion that I thought for sure I would bring about a heart attack on myself, the 'hate' was so strong. The confusion a person goes through when they wake up can be just terrible. I validate your anger. Cry those buckets of tears. It was only when I started to cry and let out the anger that my physical body started to get better. I had made
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  4. The pastor looks nervously around and says, "Uhhhh, well, I know there are inconsistencies between the bible and reality...but uhh... you must have faith! Stop thinking! Rational thought comes from the Satan, the great deceiver...."
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  5. Welcome to ExC, greylee. I understand what you mean about wishing God were real. That longing is not uncommon at all. Here are some things that helped me: 1. Defining terms. When you say you don't believe in God, I am sure you mean the God of the Bible. What helped me come to terms with my non-belief was simply to say that I do not believe the God of the Bible exists. Remember, it is a staple of the Christian religion that the God of the Bible is the one and only God. By saying that one doesn't believe in God (meaning the Christian version of God) and, therefore, there could not
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  6. This is interesting: http://etb-pseudoscience.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/christians-debunk-resurrection-of.html?m=1
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  7. I think about the terrible things I've experienced. The human pain and suffering, the agonising deaths from numerous terminal diseases and the fact that most of the world lives in conditions far worse than most of us deal with in the United States. All in all, it's a rough world filled with hate, suffering and fear. What actually helps me is knowing that there isn't some all powerful sky daddy who would will such suffering and pain. I figure when it comes to god, you have to take the good and the bad and you have to deal with the fact that all the absolutely terrible things in this world
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  8. Maybe before the thread gets locked, I could say something quickly, and hopefully I won't need to dodge any cannon balls. *army crawls through thread just in case* I don't think there is anything wrong with you for being attracted to someone of that age. After reading lots of what has been posted above (though I skimmed through quite a bit of it), it got me thinking. Here is a hypothetical situation: Let's say this 15 year old girl lived very nearby and was attracted to you as well. If that was the case and you did become sexually active and there was an equal amount of consent from both
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  9. http://www.demilked.com/surreal-self-portraits-14-year-old-fiddle-oak/ The boy has an eye for art! Genius maybe? Superb work!
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  10. Positivist: I thought my wife was the only one. She saves wasps. Well, the bible god saves nothing. I am proud of my wife ---and you. I am not at all proud of the bible god.
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  11. "God told Eve about her seed crushing the head of the serpent. Christions see that as a reference to Jesus." What a remarkable prophesy! So specific. We can narrow it down to one out of about 10 billion people. Could there be any doubt that Eve's seed crushing the serpent's head was referring to Jesus? No one can deny this exact prophesy. bill
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  12. Damn, son! God just got SERVED!!!!
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  13. "Has anyone mentioned yet that a loving parent doesnt leave dangerous items around to tempt their children? "Now Johnny, dont play with that loaded .357 that I am leaving right here in plain sight on the coffee table... for if you mess with it you shall surely die...ok Johnny, I'm leaving the room now...remember don't play with the .357...right there...wink wink." Such a good analogy cant believe I didn't think about that earlier. Storing that one in the ole memory banks =D.
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  14. There is still a problem here. The tree they were not to eat from only gave them a sense of right and wrong, not an overwhelming desire, that they could not resist, to do wrong. Their god never mentioned anything before hand about, "If you eat from this tree, I will punish you both unfairly, so that the gullible woman, who I made gullible in the first place, would receive the worst punishment for being gullible enough to listen to the snake. I will curse every human after you so that they will all die and they will all be born with an irresistible desire to do evil." Clearly their god did not
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  15. I suppose the next four pages have hashed this over as I'm 12 days behind, but what the heck... "No they didn't have knowledge of good and evil....." "But they had knowledge of evil..." I think if they had their own sense of judgement about things (knowledge of good and evil) they would not need to concern themselves with a tree. It would be irrelevant, redundant. Has anyone mentioned yet that a loving parent doesnt leave dangerous items around to tempt their children? "Now Johnny, dont play with that loaded .357 that I am leaving right here in plain sight on the coffee table... f
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  16. I felt like a recovering alky working in a bar, so I made a clean break from church. Develop outside social contacts and get away from the propaganda for a while.
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  17. Thank you for your replies. I suppose what makes it harder for me is that I didn't grow up being taught that I'm supposed to feel guilty for things that I do or even with a fear of hell. Having feelings like that is considered a childish/underdeveloped relationship with god; similar to a child who obeys his parents out of fear of punishment and not because they understand why their parents have ser certain rules for them. So those are things I haven't struggled with since being a teen.
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  18. why does God have to tell Adam he will return to dust, if Adam already knew he was returning to dust? he had a taste for prose Why does God say he will die if he eats of that tree, if he already knew he was going to die anyway? Why do we have labels on poisons if we are all going to die anyways why do we have labels on things that can kill us heavenese I am not trying to be factious. But your still just formulating your opinions into the bible. Please point out the bible verse that says Adam was immortal? Your argument is as valid as me saying that Adam was African we don't know the sk
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  19. I understand exactly where your coming from. You truly love your mother and you don't want to do anything that would hurt her. It's really a tough position to be in. I'm sure you are familiar with the word "codependent". You are a codependent to your mother; you are supporting your mother's dependency on her addictive myth. Consider this: If you and your mother were regularly to go out and drink together(An extreme hypothetical, I know, but it will illustrate my point.)and you realize that you both have a drinking problem, what could you do? Your mother loves her drinkin
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  20. Yeah, when I was nine my nose was a total whore. I didn't know one can loose their nose-ginity.
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  21. It is the ultimate betrayal to have what you believe to be a 'loving god' fail to provide for and protect you through such awful circumstances. To be left realizing no such god ever existed and you were duped is devastating. I am so sorry you have had to endure all this and am now left to feel alone, with a life in tatters. We are here for you! You are not completely alone. Some great advice has been offered above so all I will add is that if you are unable to regroup and do practical things towards your future (you really do have a chance at a decent future) then just wait it out while you do
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  22. Right. Never disagree with you about anything or else leave the forum forever. You offer me such great choices. Edit: Okay Galien you get a season pass. Say whatever you like. Do whatever you like. Run wild. I will not comment for however long I can last. I'll approach it as a personal challenge. Just don't send me any more PMs. Haven't sent you any PM's this year. I really don't know what you are on about half the time. Must be interesting to be on the inside of your head. Do you honestly think I sit in my house hating you when I don't even know you? I have more tha
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  23. All right. Since all people want to do is argue and don't want to stick to the original topic, can we please lock this thread?
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  24. What this essentially boils down to is an intellectually bankrupt abuse of mathematical language. I have taken several physics courses in college, so let's look at it from that angle. When we want to model a situation, we make sure to set up a differential equation and solve, making sure that the units are logical and that everything matches up. How does modeling god as infinity work exactly? In calculus, we use infinity as a concept to take limits, derivatives, and integrals. In any case, in what respect would god be infinite? Cubic meters? Kilograms? Assholes that talk about him?
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  25. Someone explained this to me a few years ago by pointing out that we are not the only animal to alter our environment this way. Look at a bee hive, a paper wasps' nest, a bird's nest, a beaver dam. They go well past just digging a hole for their house, and go out an collect material to build structures that "nature" would never have built without them. It's somewhat arrogant to claim that we're so separate from nature and animals that our structures fall into an entirely different category. It's just as silly as claiming that industrialized food is dangerous because it contains "chemicals" (it
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  26. Take it from me, laughter during the more religious bits is frowned upon.
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  27. Stop reading my posts and telling my parents. This site is supposed to be confidential. You're a jerk and a jack ass whoever you are. Thanks also for hurting my folks. Good Christian actions. NOT.
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  28. I like Gary's article but his use of the word religion I think can be a little misleading. Modern Pantheists tend to be outside of any religion in an organized religion sense. He's using the term religion where belief would have been more appropriate. Pantheism is a type of belief and philosophy more so than a religion. Atheism is about what we lack belief in, that is, lacking belief in personification deities and other mythology as literally true. Pantheists are generally Atheist in that we mostly lack belief in God(s). However we do tend to believe that the natural universe and existence in
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  29. Galien gave good advice. She advised Lilith to follow the law even though US laws are rather retarded in some cases as they dont really take into account teenagers not too far apart in years getting interested in each other and having sex, which when you think of it is pretty normal sexual attraction. What is the really horrible crime - an 18 year old with a teen maturity having sex with a 15 year old with a teen maturity ... or a sophisticated 40 year old who knows exactly what to do to seduce a 15 year old? I think we both know, yet some asswipes have pressed courts to permanently assign reg
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  30. It's wrong to steal, except when God tells you to. It's wrong to lie, except when God tells you to. You have to be a moral relativist to be a Christian.
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  31. Hi Heaven You seem pretty cool for an Xer. At least you are wondering and not telling us we are ll going to hell. I think it's sad that you had to spend so much finger time writing defending god. I suffered a lot when i was younger because of some things other people did to me and I can ASSURE you that no amount of wrangling words could succor my suffering. You can say "God loves you!" SO? Who needs the love of one who is not here helping? That is just stupid. If it does not make sense to a ten year old don't ask me to fall for it, but thanks for coming by. You are not an A hole
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  32. They play mental gymnastics and make up shit when it suits their purpose. They ignore scripture when it contradicts their point of view (wearing polyester is ok but being gay is WRONG!). They claim you "took it out of context" when it contradicts their point of view. They say "you dont have an ear to hear", (opposite of Ask, Seek, Knock Mt 7:7) thus simple sentences somehow become complex mysteries...when they dont want to hear you use scripture against them. They claim "allegory" so they can ignore literal meaning of scriptures that damages their point of view. If the old testamen
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  33. It is to see this kinds of quality fb statuses that I keep coming back to this forum. Yes, I've seen this several times actually. Pretty annoying. I like how guns AND the bible take precedence over, I don't know, classes on how to balance a checkbook, budget your money, etc. Judging by the multiple overdrawn accounts at our bank, I'd say most people are badly in need of those lessons before biblical or gun lessons. And with the way they call up, hysterical, saying the bank is depriving them of eating, jeeze. Hey, maybe you shouldn't have overdrafted your account while at the CASINO? B
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  34. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Heavenese I'm not going to quote it but you talk in depth about some of the Old Testament laws regarding rape victims marrying their rapists, stoning of disobediant children etc. I fail to see why you cannot see this is barbaric behaviour. I'm sorry, but it is. You talk about how you doubt that these rules were alwyas enforced. So? They were laws dicated by 'God' in his all knowing, all loving capacity. Does it matter how many people were actually stoned? Some presumeabley were, and this was considered ok? Is that not barbaric? And you also say that
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  35. I would like to find a secular way to achieve some of the qualities of the supernatural, without the supernatural. Some way to live more courageously. It would be nice if I could figure out some way of convincing myself that I have more power than I think I have, and to draw on that. It would be good to live more optimistically, so that even though I'm just matter, I could perhaps act as though I were more than that, so that I would generally aim higher in life.
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  36. Wow, I had not expected you to come back. Alright, I will go easy on you on account of LL. The Law required a rape victim to marry her rapist and a wife to drink mud if her husband felt jealous. Parents were to execute rebellious sons. There are dozens of other Old Testament laws that are sick, barbaric, ignorant and so on. If you were not aware of them I can provide verses. If you were aware then why would you say these are not flaws? Humans have worshiped gods that didn't give laws so it seems to me that giving laws is not a requirement for humans to worship gods. If the law
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  37. They're just butthurt that they're no longer the only game in town the way they were during the middle ages. Cry me a fucking river, xtians.
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  38. It actually scares the piss out of me.. because I realize that there are billions of people who think pretty much the same way... and have the same cognitive dysfunctions... and they can vote and stuff. *shudder*
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  39. For many programmers the term "undefined" is the same thing as NULL. So to equate God to an undefined (undetermined) result can also be seen to say that "God" is a NULL concept.
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  40. In some cultures, they might say that our ancestors are spirit guides, who guide us from the great beyond. I'm not so sure, though perhaps it contains a grain of truth. I think you are on the right track when you say that it is psychological, though I would not call it a quirk. Whenever you are considering the behaviour of a living thing, consider whether there may be an evolutionary explanation. I'm not a scientist, but I'm going to have a crack at the whip. Our ancestors survived in part because they were able to analyse situations, recognise danger, and stay away from it.
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