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  1. Im agnostic because I don't know, and I can't know and I'm okay with that. I cannot prove there is no god anymore than I can prove there is one. I have no trouble dealing with saying I don't know.
    4 points
  2. Because the most popular human religion is being right. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Ego fucks us every time.
    3 points
  3. That's how you know it is nonsense - things don't add up. You can try this explanation or that explanation, but nothing works. If it's true then it needs to make sense.
    2 points
  4. I didn't read the whole thread because it started sounding like this: blah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blah, blah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blahblah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blahblah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blah, blah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blahblah, blah, bible, blah, blah, god, blah whatever... There is a huge difference between real love and protecting one's territory [very primitive but understandable behavior] (war) usually for old rich politicians and corporate moguls who won't tell you the real reason you are fighting anyway (propaganda) (hint: it's to protect their economic interests) so, I guess I am a moron for figuring that out. Is it nice to see families reunited.. you bet.. that's awesome... it's also evolutionary in a sense - we are hardwired to protect our young.. or anything that looks like a baby actually.. pekinese dogs, cats, disney characters. Is there genuine affection and care.. yes.. of course. But... REAL love is none of those things, real love is when anothers' well-being is as important or more so than your own... even if that means realizing YOU are not the best person for that other, or supporting them in decisions they make for themselves that you disagree with. It's enhancing and encouraging, but not enabling. It's a deep respect for another's autonomy and choices. It's the ability to care for another in spite of differences in culture, opinion and choices, lifestyles, etc... It's putting your ego needs aside, your selfishness and fears and allowing another to be who they are, and honoring that. Namaste is the closest word I can think of to express that... "I honor the divine in you". However you define divine.. for me it's the sacredness of individuality and humanity. This kind of love is above religion, creed, race or anything... it's the highest virtue we can express as humans. It can be found in every country, every creed, every religion or non-religion.. though it is very rare. just my 2 cents
    2 points
  5. Here is my letter of what I would say to God. Thanks for reading. I admire each and every one of you for questioning things that were once the foundation of your life. I admire your courage. That couage serves a person very well in life. Dear God, I want so much to believe in you. Whenever something good, yet unexpected happens to me, I want to think it was you who was behind it. I want to think it was you behind setting up me and my boyfriend. I want to think it was you who led me to be bapized. I want to believe it was you there who helped me find the resources I needed to fight my depression. I want to believe that you are there in my suffering. I want to believe you are there to hold me when I am sick. I want to believe you are using physical sickness to help slow down my life and bring me closer to you. When I see something beautiful in the world, I want to believe it was you who created it. When I step inside a beautiful church, I want to believe you are waiting for me there inside it. I want to know you. I want to open a Christian theology book and believe I am unlocking the secrets to a loving creator of the universe. I want to believe that you are the source of all truth, morality, and goodness. I really admire the faith of the person who told me what it meant to be a Christian. I want to emulate his simple, childlike trust in you. I can’t though. I can’t believe anymore and it absolutely breaks my heart. It leaves me with a deep emptiness inside. I can’t believe in hell. I can’t believe that you, a loving God, would send people to such a terrible place just for having the wrong religion or making a wrong decision in their life. I can’t believe that you would send my mom to hell to burn forever, simply for being an agnostic. I can’t believe that you would send the suffering here on earth to suffer more in another eternity. I can’t believe that someone as privileged as myself would hear about you and go to heaven- …but someone on the other side of the world who is without food and happens to be Islam would burn in hell. I can’t believe you would allow 27 million people to be slaves and then send them to hell if they never heard your name. I can’t believe you would answer my prayers to find a nice boyfriend or book on depression and let someone else’s prayers for food to survive, or basic human dignity and freedom to go unanswered. I can’t believe people have used your name to start wars I can’t believe so many Christians persecute homosexuals when what they do is in love and harms absolutely no one. I can’t believe the false pride of your followers. Not all of them are like this but some of them have been the most nasty, judgemenal people I have ever met. I can’t believe they would use your name to justify their own superiority. I can’t believe churches tell us so often not to do silly things like get drunk or have pre-marital sex, yet do so little to help hurting people in the world. I can’t believe the only evidence for your existence is one small book. The same can be said for many other religions. I can’t picture my mom burning in hell any longer. I couldn’t worship a god who would do something so awful. I can’t believe in you anymore. It brings me so much pain and emptiness, but I have to follow truth. God, if you are there, please reveal yourself. I want to believe that my assumptions about you are mistaken and that you are truly there. I want to believe you are a God of love who cares for all people and would never send anyone to hell. All I hear is silence. All I need is truth. Despite your absence, I still have the beauty of the world around me to see every day. I still can see the dignity and value of every human being- a dignity that is immensely greater now that I don’t believe anyone is “damned”. I still have the people in my life who I love very much. I can still help those oppressed people in the world that you have seemed to be ignoring. I still have my thoughts and a deep curiosity about the world around me. I can still ask questions and devour books by sociologists, psychologists, and philosophers- all trying to make sense of the world. I can enjoy life. I can laugh, I can sing, I can explore new places, new thoughts, new ideas, new experiences. I am so sorry I had to let you go, God. I feel a deep emptiness without you. I realize, however, that the world is beautiful whether you created it or not. There is good in life whether you are behind it or not. Regards, FloridaGirl
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  6. End3: It seems to me that every post you make starts with the presumption that the god of the bible is real. If that were true there would be no ex-christians. But that is the very issue involved. Start with solving that for us . bill
    1 point
  7. I think it's because they can't face the dark side of themselves (and other humans) and have to project their own psychology onto a fictional supernatural being. freaky huh? that's my theory on that. A therapist once told me that what one fears.. and runs from, instead of facing and dealing with - grows in the mind until it's out of proportion to reality. With the right support and knowledge we can deal with our fears.. as we do they become smaller and less scary until they no longer have any hold over us. smart woman.
    1 point
  8. As an accessory point to accessories to the Final Fantasy line, in the vein of Advent Children, and specifically FF XII, there's also Vagrant Story. One of the best translation and localization jobs I've ever seen, as well as a really good and weird plot so it's not wasted.
    1 point
  9. I'm better than you because I'm a ___________ [ fill in the blank with your current philosophy ]. :-)
    1 point
  10. All I can say about your roommate laving is... "GOOD RIDDANCE!" Now that she is gone, you should celebrate.
    1 point
  11. I agree sometimes I reaaaally have to check myself because I can be so hard headed. My ego has its fist so far up my ass I feel like its working me like a sock puppet
    1 point
  12. raoul, I don't intend to pick a fight with you, but I don't think that you understand agnosticism. In attacking agnosticism, do you realize that you are siding against Bart Ehrman, Albert Camus, H. L. Mencken, and Robert fucking Ingersoll? If you don't know that there is no God, then you are an agnostic as well. I also wonder why what one or two members post has to do with whether or not you would want to support this site. What do you expect the mods to do, ban anyone who disagrees with you?
    1 point
  13. Or it could be that a snake looks like a lizard without legs, and it was a lucky guess? Apparently, God also took away their ability to speak and to fool unsuspecting people into doing bad things. EDIT: Also, how many land animals are there that don't have legs? Not many. How many of those are found in the Middle East? Fewer than that. It would be pretty understandable for ancient people to look at snakes and wonder, "Pretty much all of the other animals have legs, but snakes don't. I wonder why." Genesis gets written, and BOOM! we have an explanation for a woman's pain during childbirth and why snakes have no legs. It's all pretty standard fare for creation myths to try to explain why things are the way they are today.
    1 point
  14. That argument is SO old and tired - drives me crazy. My favorite response to that is to say "You mean Joshua." It usually leads to a long frustrating [to them] back and fourth where I argue that the guy's name was Joshua and pretend to get confused about the term 'Jesus'. I never explain why his name is Joshua either, I just insist that it is [and I'm right about it too.] I refuse to accept any other reference to Joshua as anything but Joshua no matter what. Sometimes they'll even go for backup and get other Christians to say it's 'Jesus' which has the added bonus of me irritating more than one Christian at once. They'll start brandishing crusifixes at me like vampires and ranting about how it's 'Jesus' and I'll just continue to call him Joshua. It's fun to watch them point their little necklaces at each other and go 'Who is this' 'Jesus' 'See? His name is...' "Joshua." Eventually they think I'm just being intentionally irritating [which I am] and not being serious [sort of true, but I'm still right about it] and give up. It's the conversation equivalent of this:
    1 point
  15. I think I can agree to a certain extent but we have to cut them a little slack. Religion is a hard thing to deprogram its one thing to say you don't believe in Xtianity its another thing entirely to say you don't believe in any gods. Some of them still are deconverting in a long process. for me I call this phase denial for some its a few years for others its their lives. I reckon there is a biological component to a belief in gods as well. After all we did create them. Disregarding this biological component is probably similar to a highly addictive drug. Some can move on but others will always have that itch. any ways that's just my two cents. Its only a matter of time before the tables tip in our favor after all we are winning the younger generations. Religion will become obsolete in a modern world and those cowardly agnostics will be more comfortable accepting atheism after all they are 90% there
    1 point
  16. Nice post. Thought you might enjoy this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RJBd8zE48A
    1 point
  17. A good roommate is hard to find. I went through several who had habits like partying at all hours, bringing cocaine into the house, not paying their bills, getting in fights, etc. I finally ended up rooming with this jesusy guy. He was lame and boring - I didn't particularly like him - but he was pretty reliable at paying the bills, and he didn't cause trouble. That's really all I ever needed in a roommate. By the time I was 20, I'd had enough of the roommate thing. It was worth the extra rent to not have to deal with them.
    1 point
  18. This man is a manipulative prick.The right thing to do is tell his fiance. I'm not as worried about her as I am their children's future.
    1 point
  19. My local church sign: "God will never give you more than you can bear" Uh . . . yeah except for everybody who died. Yeah it's true except for all the times it's not true. Sure.
    1 point
  20. God of the gaps is great until those gaps get filled. Instead of claiming I have faith that an intelligent mechanism created everything, I will be humble and say "I don't know but I'm working hard to find the answers." Saying I don't know means keeping an open mind and looking at the evidence and for answers as opposed to coming to the table with a faith based conclusion.
    1 point
  21. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v14/n1/coral-reef If you read this article you will find an assertion by our good friends over at Answers in Genesis that the Great Barrier Reef could have formed in less than 3,500 years. Now there is probably a refutation to this somewhere, but rather than dealing with that, it got me thinking about their motive for even dealing with this. Why do they even need to bother with this at all? I mean if you believe goddidit for how the coral got here in the first place, is it really necessary to try to come up with a scientific explanation (special pleading is more like it) for why there is so much freaking coral in so little time? Just say goddidit 6,000 years ago and the top few inches are what grew since then! Doesn't trying to come up with an explanation demonstrate a lack of faith on their part?
    1 point
  22. I grew up in a church that had very specific dogma which stuck with me. Amongst the rhetoric was the idea that the Bible was true, backed up by archaeology and evidence. They would always say that if you ever doubt, look for the answers and you will find them. What they meant us to do was to read from a selection of apologetic and theology books found in their church bookstore. I did, and found myself intensely interested in both. As a result, I decided to start expanding my reading list to theology and apologetic works not found in their bookstore in order to get more perspectives. This lead to my realizing that all of the sides had pretty good Biblical cases for their beliefs, and sometimes, even made effective use of reason in support of their argument. This lead me to philosophy, and reading the opponents of Christianity's criticisms. Eventually, through self-education, I determined that there was no evidence based reason to believe in Christianity, and left. I don't necessarily think that physical evidence is the only thing to base your life on, but I also haven't had any spiritual experiences that were specific to Christianity.
    1 point
  23. They just like to give people more evidence for their confirmation bias. It doesn't matter if its accurate or not the sheep will eat it.
    1 point
  24. It's a bit different when someone pushes you into a hole and then sacrifices themselves to save you from the hole they pushed you into. That is basically what I interpret the god of the Bible doing, although his sacrifice is basically the equivalent of a person stabbing themselves multiple times before tossing a rope into the hole. Good question. I will have to defer atm. My mind goes initially to how would the invention ultimately be independent of the inventor. end3, If you can't answer how Jesus' sacrifice (I'll Be Back) is different than the soldier's (I might not be back. Ever.), then you don't have the proper point of view to even be taken seriously.
    1 point
  25. from the few interactions I have had with end3 I thought I could respect him. This thread has clearly demonstrated a strong lack of judgment on my part. The posts here have been devoid of any reason or respect to others and filled with everything that is the opposite of the title post. You should be ashamed of yourself end3 clearly you are not demonstrating "Christ's love" You should apologize right now for all of your personal insults to people who merely questioned your original post. If you cant do that you clearly are just another delusional Christian bigot trying to get his rocks off insulting ex-Christians. There is a thing called the high road if there really was a god I think it would have been telling you to take it.
    1 point
  26. On a sidenote, I'm beginning to see End's post approaching the "word salad" that I've seen a lot of fundamentalist Christians post online. I am definitely on this forum im part to discuss with and debate Christians. But I'm not sure how productive any discussion with End is going to be unless he stops talking nonsense and starts being clear in his meaning. I'm talking to End since he's the only Christian here, but I'm not even entirely certain what he's trying to say. His posts are poorly written and don't convey many meaningful points. This may all end up being a waste of time, and honestly I have better things to do (which is why my comments to him thus far have been shorter than my usual, more verbose posts).
    1 point
  27. It sounds like you're under the impression that athiesm is the direction you're supposed to go? Not at all. It's one direction we can go. Based on the definition you give here, I'm partly athiest, but I don't consider myself an athiest. I believe there are higher life forms of sorts of which we're parts, but I can't edentify them and I don't think of them as gods. Where does that fit? It does work in with your fascination with life and the universe which I also share.
    1 point
  28. I'm going through the music I gave up to please Jesus. Thankfully there is a local station that plays the rock from the time when I was in high school.
    1 point
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