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  1. As they say in certain recovery and 12 steps groups, give your experience, strength, and hope. When I was in the trenches, nothing would have convinced me. They will rip you apart if you try too hard. They can't say much if you keep it personal and just give your story and your whys for leaving. Plant a seed, don't try to bring down the house.
    8 points
  2. Hi Eli It's nice to see you here again. I've watched through your videos again since I last spoke to you - Part 6 always makes me feel so emotional - it's very beautiful. I have had a think about your question, and much as it might sound obvious - just be you. Be the you that comes across in your series. Be kind, gentle and genuine. Perhaps the best thing you can do is to show people that a non-believer, a deconvert no less, is not someone who is hateful and angry; but someone who was broken and humble. Show them that atheism is not about the pride of being right, but of
    5 points
  3. On Sunday I am meeting with a small group of Christian high school students at a local church. Their youth group leader is the preacher in my 6th video at 21:02 who said, "The whole point of the gospel is that people are horrible." He showed them my entire deconversion series this spring, and we are going to get together to talk about it. I'm posting this because I want your wisdom. If you had a limited amount of time with a group of high schoolers who are about to begin their adulthood as followers of the idea of Christ, what are some of the most important things you would want to tell them?
    3 points
  4. I have to disagree. I didn't want to deconvert; instead, I wanted to hold onto the only worldview I had ever known as "truth." I hated the thought of leaving it all behind. My deconversion was a result of the facts before me, not a desire to deconvert. prplfox, good luck with your meeting. I'll have to check out the video you linked with I get some extra time. Are you going to do another video after Sunday's meeting?
    3 points
  5. The title of your post got me thinking. In my case I didn’t begin to really understand Christianity until I de-converted. After investing the time to study the history of Christianity and the Bible I at least came to understand why Christianity makes no sense, and why it is so contradictive and inconsistent.
    2 points
  6. Christians like to pull out these various argument as evidence that there is a God. Why would there just be one? It would make far more sense that, if such such beings exist, that there would be billions of them or even trillions of them rather than just one. Doesn't our universe look like it was designed by a committee? The evidence of political in-fighting is everywhere. The Black Hole Lobby has a lot of influence on the Divine Committee. The Dark Energy Lobby also has much influence. And you can clearly see these Gods can't come to a consensus without stubbornly dragging along their
    2 points
  7. Kirk spews that Left Behind rapture nonsense, and thus has no credibility as a Christian, in my opinion. In 2012 our small group leader brought up the topic to try to calm some of the hysteria. He asked our group what we thought the end times would be, and they started spouting out the typical rapture junk. The group leader let them talk, with a sly smile. I then jumped in and pointed out that as Lutherans we don't believe that stuff, and it's not in the Bible. (It's all on the official church website, you lazy fucks!) The group members seemed shocked and confused, and then the leader piped up
    2 points
  8. The important thing is not to put them on the defensive. When shields go up, the ears will close, but if you are sincere and respectful to their beliefs you might be able to plant a seed. Tell them the basics of why you deconverted, and to seek both sides of the story. If Christianity is true than it should hold up to scrutiny. I wouldn't go any farther unless they ask, but keep it light.
    2 points
  9. First of all thank you for posting your videos. I found them very encouraging when I was deconverting. You were a huge help to me. Thank you for that. I think the most important thing with Christian teens is to try to prepare them for the shock that typically happens when real life collides with the expectations of Christian parents and Christian leaders. Right when people leave their folks and go off on their own there is often a huge culture clash. It varies from person to person. Some discover they are gay and it's not at all what they had been told. Others discover they don't
    2 points
  10. Tell them to believe you when you say Obama is Chinese. When they cannot believe you ask them why? After they answer, summarize their answers to their life's experiences that keep them from that belief. Tell them to believe you anyway. When they admit that they cannot believe you. Tell them, "See, you cannot completely control what you can and cannot believe in. We are influenced by circumstances and experiences that come our way without our approval. This is true for unbelievers as well... A set of circumstances they may have no control over may have convinced them that there is no god.
    2 points
  11. You don't want to debate it yet you claim something here that you most assuradly cannot prove in science at this moment in history. I am not saying your wrong. Just that if you have some unique experience that leads you to believe this then maybe you should share it with us. I know that I would like to hear it if you feel something that helps explain things that the religious believe simply because they are to weak or stupid to accept logic and call it magic instead. I am of the school that says all things are quantifiable in this universe. Maybe I cannot quanitfy it but it is possible
    2 points
  12. I grew up in a Lutheran family in Denmark. My parents were good Lutherans, going to the Lutheran government church every Sunday and to meetings once or twice during the week in the Lutheran Mission. It was a conservative not charismatic church, but well-grounded, where the mantra was “Sin and Grace”. People were not very outgoing and didn’t evangelise a lot. It was common to feel embarrassed about the belief (in Denmark Christians are not very common). Speaking in tongs, healing and so on, was not used as it could lead us away from the true belief in: “Sin and Grace”. When I was about
    1 point
  13. Careful carrying the beaker - remember the dude who tried to keep the Ark of the Covenant from falling over and he got zapped?
    1 point
  14. When I lost my faith, it made me wonder how Christianity ever made sense to me at all. Like, why is faith considered to be a good thing? Like, why was it necessary to kill animals to make God happy before Jesus? Like, why was it necessary for Jesus to die (and specifically, why did he have to shed blood) for God to be able to forgive us for our sins? Like, why is it important that God keeps himself hidden instead of making things clear for us? Oh, and a million more things. But, like Geezer said, some things about Christianity became crystal clear... like, how it's all just a big lie
    1 point
  15. You kind of answered your own riddle there. Animals with a fraction of those disorders don't survive more than a generation or two. As a result they don't get passed down. We survive and thrive through them because we have all but elliminated natural selection. Take diabetes for example, if an animal in the wild developed that condition, it would die fairly quickly and those genes would come to an abrupt end. Technology, medicine, trade and agriculture have allowed us to survive these disorders. That's also why the disorders are so recent. Another example, all mammals are capable of pro
    1 point
  16. I have to disagree. I didn't want to deconvert; instead, I wanted to hold onto the only worldview I had ever known as "truth." I hated the thought of leaving it all behind. My deconversion was a result of the facts before me, not a desire to deconvert. prplfox, good luck with your meeting. I'll have to check out the video you linked with I get some extra time. Are you going to do another video after Sunday's meeting? I agree I didn't want to deconvert either it just was sortof something I could no longer ignore was happening. It was not fun...
    1 point
  17. Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. (Much more conservative/fundie than the gigantic ELCA, but not as crazy as the Wisconsin Synod or some of the other tiny groups.) My grandfather was a preacher, two cousins are preachers, my mom went to the Concordia schools (sponsored by the Synod, at which most of our pastors are schooled), my sister is an organist, my aunts and uncles are all lay leaders, Lutheran school teachers, choir members, Sunday school teachers, elders, etc. Lot of "sin and grace". You're a poor miserable sinner, but you are saved because God loves you, hallelujah! But remember you
    1 point
  18. Don't be an asshole, don't be judgemental and treat everyone with kindness. Don't believe things because your parents do. If someone stops believing, don't stop loving them. God is love, duh.
    1 point
  19. I'd rather believe in Satan than God. In all honesty, he's more moral and safer than God. See here to understand what I mean: http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised.html Here's an image that basically simplifies what the link above says. That 2m is actually a partial figure because there are many killings that have an unknown number of victims. [such as the deaths of the firstborn in Egypt, The 'great flood', the plagues, etc...] That figure is just the killings where the number of victims is given. And those ten Satan killed we
    1 point
  20. Thank you all for wellcomes and for encouragements. I'll definitely more use of this unique fellowship in here, and hopefully also forward the help I have received to others who is losing their faith. Thanks again. Dan
    1 point
  21. I would tell them to always question their acquired beliefs. Things are not always what they're advertised to be.
    1 point
  22. LOL, yeah, that guy is nuts. I downloaded the pdf for X.666, which is an actual document. Nowhere in it do "RFID" or "microchip" appear. The summary says You know what that sounds like to me? Internet domain names, like how we not only have .com, .org, and .gov but country TLDs (Top Level Domains) like .uk and .cc. The table of contents discusses data formats for satelites and the internet. It's all about OSI - Open Systems Interconnection. Like, well, the internet and phone numbers. If implanting microchips ever takes off and you're worried about your medical information being
    1 point
  23. When they move from trying to pass off those unfalsifiable beliefs as equal in value to falsifiable ones and then begin claiming that their circular arguments are just as problematic as induction, they go from being not even wrong to being wronger than wrong.
    1 point
  24. You don't want to debate it yet you claim something here that you most assuradly cannot prove in science at this moment in history. I am not saying your wrong. Just that if you have some unique experience that leads you to believe this then maybe you should share it with us. I know that I would like to hear it if you feel something that helps explain things that the religious believe simply because they are to weak or stupid to accept logic and call it magic instead. I am of the school that says all things are quantifiable in this universe. Maybe I cannot quanitfy it but it is possible
    1 point
  25. Pretend it's not there?? Did you watch the Romney campaign closely? Or at all? Pretend, my ass. Whether the system is working now or not, I don't know, since I've been retired for 5 years. But one of the major things government is there for is to help people. And that includes minorities. Where a whole race of people are deliberately prevented from getting an education, after having been kidnapped and placed in slavery in an entirely different culture for hundreds of years, the county who caused that owes them a moral duty to make things right. You can't correct abuses like that of 400 years
    1 point
  26. You don't want to debate it yet you claim something here that you most assuradly cannot prove in science at this moment in history. I am not saying your wrong. Just that if you have some unique experience that leads you to believe this then maybe you should share it with us. I know that I would like to hear it if you feel something that helps explain things that the religious believe simply because they are to weak or stupid to accept logic and call it magic instead. I am of the school that says all things are quantifiable in this universe. Maybe I cannot quanitfy it but it is possible
    1 point
  27. The general public is simply not aware there is even such a thing as a scholarship dedicated to the historical critical analysis of religion. That information is certainly not going to be made available to people by the church because they know that is their Achilles Heel. The churches house of cards is supported by the foundational belief that the bible is fully inspired, inerrant, and therefore infallible. Historians can easily destroy that myth. Once the bible is established as nothing more than a collection of ancient myths and legends its power to dominate people’s lives is null
    1 point
  28. If Jesus appeared to me, and standing before me commissioned me to proclaim his words as his mouthpiece then I would probably do just that. But since He hasn't, I will stick with the commission He has given: proclaim repentance and forgiveness of sins in his name to all nations. So what if you are hallucinating when you see Jesus appear before you and gives you instructions? How would you know you were not hallucinating? You can keep proclaiming repentance and forgiveness of "sins" all you want, but it isn't going to change the fact that most of us have concluded that your god is likely n
    1 point
  29. He is right, we DO hate most of the moral framework that the concept of "God" (as described in the Bible) stands for, especially as espoused by those such as the WBC. He is also partially correct in that there are indeed those atheists who who in fact come across at times sounding almost exactly like their Christian counterparts, but that is not the norm. It would be very simple to make that exact same video except from a hardline atheist view (with only a couple of word changes.) This guy's main error is in equating a disbelief in, or non-acceptance of the concept of "God" with hatred
    1 point
  30. The talking snake works for two minutes and it takes the Three Persons of God thousands of years to partly undo the damage. That was one crafty snake but he sure learned his lesson. Being forced to crawl is justice for causing billions of people to burn for all eternity in hell.
    1 point
  31. Trust yourself. Do that before you trust others or any idea of god or supernatural. If you can trust yourself even when you are wrong you will be willing to say so in order to determine what is correct. You will want to know about what is correct far more than you do about wanting to hide your ideas. If you are afraid of losing friends or family simply becuase you choose to believe something then I would challenge they were not your friends and your family are a bunch of self centered assholes that need to "save" you from yourself more than they need to accept you as you are. I know it
    1 point
  32. It's difficult to debate with people whose scripture can shape-shift into whatever they want it to mean.
    1 point
  33. This is a reawakened thread! I hadn't seen it before, and there is something I'd like to comment on. It's the "lust" part. Churches today have boys really freaked out about lust. It's so bad that they feel guilty when they look at a girl and thnk she's pretty. They're told they're awful, depraved beings, and that if they see any cleavage at all, they can't help but lust. Of course, this is aimed at getting girls to completely cover up, but the message to the boys is that they have no self control, and it results in their feeling guilty for nothing. I've seen a couple of Christian websi
    1 point
  34. This is the answer 99% of the time. They are reinforcing their own belief for their own sake, NOT YOURS. If an all powerful omnipresent being actually existed why would they need us to defend them from anything?
    1 point
  35. Ha-ha! Again, just my attention-grabbing titling method... *snicker* Racial controversy over a Cheerios commercial?!? Yes, apparently so. On the flip side, this video of 'Kids React', is awesome. These kids are great. And I immediately fell in love with the little girl in the green-blue shirt with the freckles. She is awesome, too! :-) http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VifdBFp5pnw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVifdBFp5pnw
    1 point
  36. I think it's because Christians need to defend their god in order to hold on to their precious faith. If I come along and hit them with some logic that reveals their god is in league with Satan, whether or not the two are competitors or not, or that reveals that their god set humans up to fail in Genesis, or that their god is an immoral, narcissistic thug, they need to defend their god and make up a bunch of excuses so that what I say is no longer true and then they can go back to clinging to their faith again.
    1 point
  37. Southern Baptist for 12 years and then Church of Christ for 28 years. Maybe there is a God after all; how else could someone explain regaining control of their mind and retaining some semblance of sanity after being part of the Church of Christ for 28 years? That would certainly seem to qualify as a bona fide miracle. Talk about being raised from the dead. I once was lost but now am found……..halleluiah and amen!
    1 point


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