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  1. One last word for OC: EVERY tenet of Xtianity has been fully and completely refuted. EVERY LAST ONE. I challenge to you to toss out ONE tenet of your religion you think has never been refuted - then stand back and see how many of us can destroy it without even needing to do research. You're a blind idiot and all I can muster for you is pity and scorn. Since you obviously aren't going to move along I am hereby and forever putting you on ignore. Do your victory dance - I really don't give a flying rat's ass. There's a single mom where I work; her oldest boy just got diagnosed with a heart condition which requires a very expensive medicine that the insurance company won't cover (SHE herself has NO insurance). She makes all of $10/hr and pays a lot in gas just to get to work every day; she's also a temp who doesn't get paid on holidays. A (very arrogant and hypocritical) 'good Christian' supervisor at work has taken a personal dislike to her for some perverse reason and has taken to harassing and intimidating her - even though he's not her supervisor, and has told some of the other supervisors he intends to try to get her fired - even though she's always at work BEFORE him every day and does great work and CARES about her job. That's Xtian compassion for you. SO yeah, you and your kind can just go piss off - I see from your examples that 'god' is a myth, on top of all the evidence. YOU'VE shown me why it's wise to not believe. Got that, dumbass? Goodbye.
    7 points
  2. I just realized how stupid that commandment is. If your parents are decent, kind, responsible, loving parents, you will honor them without having to think about it. If they are NOT, perhaps they are not worthy of honor. I'm thinking about some of the horrible childhood stories I've read on this site. If I had been raised by horrible, fundy parents who expected some type of holy perfection from me and beat me when I failed and refused to let me have friends with regular kids who got to have fun, and refused to let me have any type of normal childhood, I would not, could not, honor them. I think of some of horror stories my sister told me when she worked in a psych hospital with adolescents. Some kids were in the hospital because they had real mental illness; that is not an issue. But some kids were there because of their parents. There were parents who forced their children to have sex with them (fathers AND mothers), parents who made their young kids be in porn to make money for the parents. There was a rich couple's teenager whose time at the hospital had run out, but nobody could get hold of the parents to take the child home because the parents were off on a vacation in their personal jet and nobody could locate them (similar things had happened with this couple before, so it was no accident, they simply wanted nothing to do with their teenager -- and the teenager knew it). My sister said that every spring when school let out, there was a sudden influx of admissions because certain parents had learned that if you say the right thing ("my child said they were going to kill themself" or "my child said they were going to kill us") the child would be put in the hospital for the two weeks that insurance allows, thus giving the parents an extra two weeks of vacation without their kids. On and on. And what about that monster that kept those young women hostage for ten years in Cleveland? He fathered one child that he let live (and beat until miscarriage so he'd kill his other children). What kind of deluded mind would ever think someone like that deserved honor? Honor needs to be earned, and when it is earned it is given freely and happily. Perhaps that commandment was added so that we would feel obliged to honor god, our "father," without question. And he could threaten us with hell, he could test us with horrible trials for the sole purpose of testing our faith, he could ignore our prayers, and he could remain completely invisible and incommunicative with us, and our job is to forever and completely honor god and forgive him for his neglect and abuse and inaction. Whoever wrote the bible, and whoever perpetuates it, simply wanted and wants power over us.
    4 points
  3. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/20/why-is-this-georgia-towns-chief-of-police-using-the-departments-facebook-page-to-preach-christianity/ This is just one more thing in a long line of things that has me royally pissed off. I am so fucking sick of Christianity being inserted in every aspect of political and government life when IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The Tea Baggers were just shrieking about how Obama didn't include "under God" in the version of the Gettysburg Address that he read, when actually, those words weren't in the original draft. We should not have "In God We Trust" on our money (which is fucked up for a number of reasons.) Lawmakers should never, ever EVER be able to defend their legal decisions with bible verses any more than they should be able to defend them with any other religious text. We should not have "under God" in the pledge. We should not be opening State and National events with "a moment of prayer." We should not be sworn in on bibles. There is no single rational person who should, for a SECOND, think that prayer, bibles and creationism should be taught in public schools. This is the garbage touted by people claiming to be "patriots" and frankly this shit is ridiculous. Why is Christianity given such a free pass in Murrica? Anyone who has spent five minutes of history should know that NO, the country was NOT founded on Christianity. There are tons of quotes from the founding fathers asserting that very thing. They never ever ever mention Jesus. The Puritans came here to escape the same kind of showy Christianity we see now touted as "American!1!" We've discussed the American Christian persecution complex elsewhere, but really, enough is enough. Christians can wear their fucking crosses and t-shirts. They can go to their churches and pray openly in public. They can celebrate their holidays however they want. They can buy religious crap in every fucking Super-Mart store. Christians and Christianity is portrayed in every aspect of mainstream American entertainment and media. But oh no, that isn't enough. The fact that they can be outraged about the Taliban, but not see that Christianity in America is the exact same thing is beyond hypocritical.
    4 points
  4. ...what OC is saying is that self delusion is a good thing...No, thanks. I want the TRUTH, even if it is a hell of a lot harder. I want true emotions and real compassion - a holistic existence, NOT a self-centered narcissistic one. And, for the record, I have many Christian friends, including Thumbelina, who I feel has a compassionate heart and deeply cares about us. OC doesn't give two shits about us, or anything else except how warm and fuzzy his 'faith' makes him feel, and being right (even when he clearly isn't).
    4 points
  5. I, on the other hand, don't find it compelling at all. In fact, because of My science background I find the Teleological Argument to be one of the very weakest. Not only is it a thinly disguised Argument from Incredulity ("But look at the pretty sunset! And the trees! Someone must have created all of this..."); it certainly doesn't serve as evidence for any god in particular. On the subject of belief itself, not everyone is the same. Some people will believe because they trust the messenger. Some will believe out of hope, some out of perceived likelihood, and then there are those of us (Myself included) who want an actual physical encounter rather than a "spiritual" one. I'll believe in it when it comes up and shakes My hand, and not a moment before.
    3 points
  6. I'm beginning to wonder if OrdinaryClay isn't actually the god of Job in disguise. Like Job's god, Clay shows up in a whirlwind, refusing to answer any questions but spouting off phrases like, "I'm under no obligation to answer your questions!", "Have you seen what I have seen?", "Do you know the things I know, or have the understandings I have?" I'm just waiting for him to bring up the dreadful Leviathan. Hey, yahweh, halloween is over.
    3 points
  7. I think it's because we're living reminders of the fact that xtianity is not the be-all, end-all for morality, kindness and whatnot, which goes against pretty much everything they've been taught. Toward the end of my time at the last church I visited, I got the impression that they're jealous of outsiders deep down, even if they won't admit it. This may be more universal than I think it is, or I may be way out there in left field, but it's an idea I thought I'd throw out there nonetheless. Think about it, church sucks up all their time, and basically tells them what to like, what to think, what to wear, and who to hang out with. We don't have to deal with that, instead we devote our time to other things. We're strong enough emotionally and mentally to think for ourselves.
    3 points
  8. Ironically, Christians would have no problem with the Book of Mormon being labeled as fiction.
    3 points
  9. Gossip can be bad. And at the same time hilarious. Years ago my spouse and I were fundamentalist church-going Christians and also foster parents. The wife let a church friend know that a foster child of ours was going to be adopted by a gay couple (two males). The church friend let another church friend know who in short order called up my wife so they could praaaaaaaaaaay for this terrible thing to be stopped!!! God's will in the matter. My wife had to deal with her fanatical fruitcake fundamentalist friend but I personally enjoyed watching this fruitcake get all worked up about it. :-) God's will apparently was that the two men were supposed to have the child. I don't believe we discussed pending adoptions of other foster kids after that. :-)
    2 points
  10. In addition to the ignorance, I have found it is also the mass misinformation that pastors preach and Christians spread amongst themselves. This can be viewed online by going to some of the more popular, but less moderated places on the internet such as reddit/facebook/yahoo/4chan/etc . It is fairly easy to find that Christians have a completely warped view of how non believers are: with a silly stereotype of a teenager wearing a fedora and listening to linkin park. They are way off! Christians seem to have the need to belittle their opposition as much as possible to avoid any kind of direct debate or confrontation. It's easier for pastors and apologists to dismiss non belief as a teenage rebellion phase than to actually address the mountains of evidence against their faith. Christians like it because it reassures them of their faith by asserting non belief as immature, and thus the false image spreads like wildfire. Christianity is a delusional belief and therefore can only be maintained by denial/minimisation and other forms of intellectual dishonesty.
    2 points
  11. Xians know they are right about everything and know everyone who is not a xian is going to hell, so they don't give a shit about us. Also, since they are forced to believe nonsense, and never questioned things that we have questioned since childhood (i.e., penguins and koala bears could NOT have both been on the ark), they get angry when we are not satisfied with simple, twisted logic answers. They are so terrified of hell that they are afraid to even question, let alone look at their faith squarely and be brave enough to give it up. They are so terrified of their made-up hell that they hide, even as adults, under their made-up blankets of their faith.
    2 points
  12. It's not a religion, it's a relationship. There are no contradictions in the bible, only passages taken out of context. Only a true xian can understand the bible; if you aren't a true believer, Satan will make you not understand it. When we die, god will explain everything to us.
    2 points
  13. Yeah, that whole "ask, seek, knock" doctrine used to really annoy me, precisely because it never worked. And if you have to ask, seek, knock, beg, what have you in order to earn a god's love, then it's not a love that's worth having, and it doesn't sound like that god wants a relationship all that bad anyway.
    2 points
  14. Regardless of your interpretation what we see here is clear and convincing evidence that faith, simple faith, in God can improve a life immensely. I would agree with your statement on two conditions. The first condition would be that we grant that we are dealing with a loose definition of “faith.” The second is that the object of this faith is irrelevant. Everyone’s god is different because everyone’s god is a product of their own imagination. Your god is no doubt different from Vujicic’s god. Because Vugicic’s god exists in his imagination, the object of his faith is ultimately himself. Vujicic’s mother could’ve just as easily told him to believe in himself and, given the right cultural context, he would’ve achieved the same results. As I said before, his delusion has served him well. It’s too bad he will probably never fully acknowledge that it was himself and those around him that supported him that led to this immense life improvement. Instead he’s actively foisting his delusion on to other people that may not get the same results and instead experience greater suffering for it. Would that everyone afflicted with such delusions would instead, when faced with the dissonance, abandon their god-belief and take a cue from someone like Pedro Cerrano when it became clear to him that the gods Jesus Christ and Jobu were incapable of helping him hit a curve ball. Just because you choose not to embrace Christ because of the life results of faith in others is not my point nor relevant. The point I'm making is that faith in Christ has helped many, many people through out history and continues today. So telling people faith is bad or will ruin their lives is clearly wrong. I would agree with the statement that telling people faith is bad or will ruin their lives is probably wrong in most cases, but that’s mainly because the statement you have presented has been phrased in such a way that it makes it difficult to attach any sort of nuance or qualification to it, largely thanks to the word “will”. You seem to be putting words in my mouth, though. Where did I (or anyone else) advocate for telling people “faith will ruin your life” or even “faith is bad”? You added that part. That said, I would be fine telling people that certain kinds of faith are bad and can ruin their lives, provided we are working from an appropriate definition of “faith.” There are arguably better alternatives to faith that could yield similar results without the potentially harmful baggage and cumulatively negative aspects that accompany it. Cutting off your arm might be an effective method of ridding your body of a local infection, but just because it works to improve your situation by saving your life doesn’t mean that telling you it is bad and suggesting antibiotics would be preferable is wrong. This has been pointed out to you in other ways and yet you claim your point stands. Also, some kinds of faith could be preferable to others. In anticipation of being misunderstood or misconstrued from my previous statement, allow me to clarify that when I said, “the object of this faith is irrelevant” I did not mean to imply that all faiths are equal, but rather that many “can [not necessarily will] improve a life.” I already suggested that given the right cultural context, Vujicic could have achieved the same results if his parents had told him to believe in himself. Even though the results would be the same, one could argue this is preferable because perhaps now Vujicic wouldn’t feel compelled to go around perpetuating a potentially harmful delusion. Additionally, your conclusion seems to assume that the good that an individual’s faith has done for that individual outweighs the potential negative impact on others. As I already stated, Vujicic is now actively foisting his delusion on to other people that may not get the same results and instead experience greater suffering for it. He doesn’t appear to recognize that not everyone has the available resources to accomplish what he has. He’s not going around telling people, “Hey, this thing worked for me in my situation; it may not be for everyone, but maybe you should try it.” He’s instead claiming to know things that he doesn’t know and passing it off on to other people as objective truth that has absolutely nothing to do with how he overcame his physical handicaps. He’s the guy whose arthritis got better after some acupuncture treatments that’s now going around telling everyone he knows that alternative eastern medicine is a panacea. That’s bad and that’s just one aspect of it. The larger one is that faiths like his that are built on similar, unsupported truth propositions cause harm to others in many other ways. I personally wrestled with the ethics of disabusing other people of their faith after my deconversion. Ultimately I’ve come to conclude that certain kinds of faith, including most of the forms of Christianity seen here in the States, are indeed harmful enough to make me want to actively rid people of it even if it’s only to the point that they merely come to accept scientific consensus on things like geology, evolutionary theory and climate change. The bottom line is, no, your point, as I have admittedly reinterpreted it, does not stand. Telling people that certain expressions of faith are bad is not wrong. I agree that telling people that faith will necessarily ruin their lives would be wrong in most cases, as it is simply not true, and lying is usually wrong. However, I could conceive of a situation where even that might be warranted. I don’t want to assign motive, but it looks to me like you’re playing games here and trying to bait people into defending an untenable position by phrasing your statement the way you have. You’ve entered a thread with the title “Proof that God Uses Tragedy for Good” and somehow you want us to believe you did this to make the point that suggests that I or anyone else was saying that faith is always bad without qualification and that faith will, necessarily, ruin people’s lives. Who has said that? Just because you choose not to embrace reality because of how you interpret the life results of faith in others through your lens of delusion is entirely my point and is relevant. The point I’m making, which is actually related to the OP, is that this guy’s “life results of faith” is neither proof nor evidence of anything other than the placebo effect and it doesn’t even come close to accounting for all the many observable examples of gratuitous suffering in the world. So telling people that God uses tragedy for good and it will improve their lives is clearly wrong. Constructing hypotheticals is easy. I never see any youtube testimonies of people who have overcome equal adversity using some other faith system. Vujicic certainly does not seem to have any negative effects from his faith. Speculation in this area really does not get the discussion anywhere. I've come to believe that the deconversion of people from atheism is a good thing. My point still stands. You raised nothing material to counter it. Not all placebos are the same. The characteristics of a placebo are what the doctor tells the patient they are. That's why doctors don't tell the patient they have a placebo! The patient thinks they are getting the real thing, which means the patient believes the placebo has certain characteristics. That's just the kind of insulting evasion and seemingly deliberate obtuseness we've come to expect. People can see plainly why your point doesn't stand. I'm done. Good day, sir.
    2 points
  15. No.one gives a fuck what you call yourself. The point is you dont respond to challenges and questions instead you just ignore it. Most on here would know more about xianity than probably you do.
    2 points
  16. I don't expect anybody to notice that I didn't praise a deity or a spirit, but maybe someone will at least think about what a great job the doctors did. I had the same problem with my surgery and recovery. I'm fortunate enough to be a medical anomaly. I was actually on the transplant list for heart and double lungs. I actually did die a couple of times in the hospital and they were certain I'd need a heart and lungs within six months. My recovery is literally unheard of and has never happened to anyone before ever. I recovered thanks to therapy and an open heart surgery and it looks like I'll be basically normal in a year or two at this point. Well, relatively normal, I'll be on expensive drugs for the rest of my life to keep my condition stable. I should be able to resume normal activities and get a job again in the next couple of years. I'm actually being studied and having several papers written about me and what happened. I'm 'uncharted territory' according to my doctors. Of course, all of my family praises God for what happened as if I simply sat in a church and prayed to be healed or something. Going on about what a miracle I am and all and how I'm proof of God's mystical powers. I'll have none of that and usually redirect credit to the hospital staff and doctors, but then they act like I'm the one being 'ungrateful' about my 'gift' from their imaginary bestest pal. They go on about how many people prayed for me and how much that 'helped' me. As if their psychic mind waves made the medications work better and guided the scalpel of my surgeon with little angel wings or some equally asinine bullshit. Yes, oodles of nuns went prayed a few rounds of magic prayer beads and that's why I'm alive. It had nothing to do with the three months I spent in the hospital, my major surgery, the $10,000 a month worth of medications I must take, or the over one year of therapy I am still undergoing. A bunch of sex repressed women dressed in penguin suits totally used magical mind waves to fix me up good. It's seriously annoying and I consider it ungrateful to the doctors and nurses who helped me to give credit to magical powers from Josh's Dad and psychic mind waves from various people I don't know and some of my family. Seriously, they act as if I was just miraculously cured of all ailment and defect and I'm perfectly healthy now. I'm still disabled as fuck, just not as bad off as I was when I almost died. I fucking hate dealing with it so much. I've started responding to people who blame God for my current condition. If he is responsible for it, I hope he sits on his cosmic nuts on the galactic equivalent of a pile of sand spurs for putting me through this shit.
    2 points
  17. How does that change the arrangements they made, it's free so they don't have to honor their word? I hope that's not what you would have said. Just that if you had already paid them or had to set money aside to pay them at time of transaction, they have a higher responsibility to keep their word. I'm not saying what they've done here is right; they've wasted your time making you wait for a computer they apparently were never going to have for you, and no, that's not what I would have done, BUT it seemed a little much for you to dig into their faith given the information you provided. And there was no reason for us to expect you were omitting important details to your own story.
    1 point
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  19. Don't expect Christians to act any different that anyone else. They don't REALLY have the holy spook living inside then, it's all in their heads , so they act just about as human as anybody else.
    1 point
  20. hmmm.... I'm sort of in the same position. It seems to me that people think that being an atheist means making a positive statement that god/gods don't exist. (a positive statement about a negative - which is odd to begin with) I didn't get that understanding from the dictionary and linguistic definition though. Atheism and agnosticism are not on a continuum, one speaks to belief, and one speaks to knowledge. Therefore, I guess I am an agnostic atheist... I don't know - actually I'm not sure one CAN know... and I don't believe. I ponder the possibility in a philosophical way, but that's an intellectual exercise - not a 'belief'. Actually I'm not even sure what a 'belief' is anymore. I have trust in certain things but I am finding it difficult to say I 'believe' in anything... the farther down the road of atheism I go the less I understand 'belief' at all. A lot of things I would have called beliefs even a year ago I now see are opinions based on either facts and interpretations, or wishful thinking. I am less influenced by wishful thinking than I used to be... and that's okay. I thought it might bring a depressing outlook but it actually hasn't... just more trust in my own bullshit meter LOL Most people, from what I am observing now are very uncomfortable with a lack of belief in others... and seem to want to define others by their own standards (Oprah, I'm looking at YOU). This seems to apply across the board.. it's not even a SPECIFIC belief that's required, just a general one. Example; I have an acquaintance who is muslim.. we have had some very heated discussions about religion, and he was VERY upset that I called myself an atheist... until, just to soothe him, I stated that 'maybe the entire universe is god'... weirdly this seemed to do the trick. ya, I don't get it. It was a very vague definition of pantheism - which you would think would be WORSE than atheism as it is actually a form of idolatry to a judeo-christian religion, but no... (?) There's nothing in the 10 commandments that says "thou shalt BELIEVE'.. it says' thou shalt not worship OTHER gods before me' (I guess after Yahweh is okay though lol). This is a distinction that seems to elude the minds of the judeo-christian believers. I am an apostate, not a heretic. Ya, I don't get the discomfort this raises in others... does it affect them in the least? Not really.
    1 point
  21. That's the thing, Mike D. It's all baked into this marble cake of jingoism, and a huge part of the problem is the Christians (who, admittedly, are the crux of the Republican party as well as just a huge vocal population in America, are able to somehow reconcile corporate greed, and, especially, all but criminalizing poverty whilst cutting food stamps, benefits, wages, and pretty much 1) anything that would help people get out of poverty in the first place and 2) is diametrically OPPOSED to "what would Jesus do." How people can claim they are Christian and pro-family, and yet advocate that someone working a shit job at Wal-Mart should "quit whining" about having to work on Thanksgiving? How can people claim that they've read the bible story about the loaves and the fishes, and then turn around and say crappy things about people struggling with food stamps? How can you be anti-abortion because supposedly it's "killing," yet be pro-war? How is it possible that Christians manage to hold all these opposing ideas in their heads, and yet comprehending things like evolution and the Big Bang are beyond them?! It's like The Emperor's New Clothes or something.
    1 point
  22. Oh, Zomberina, I am so sorry. I'm sorry about this website, and about your family. I'm sorry I live in Pennsylvania, not all that far from where they live. I am so sorry that people believe this shit, make up websites about it, send donations to it. I am very glad that you got away from all of that, and became who you are. The poor spelling and the Every Word Capitalized only add a layer of pathetic to this insidious trash.
    1 point
  23. I am in complete agreement with this. I just heard today someone say that when teaching young children the concept of sin, to tell them that they are "disappointing Jesus." No, oh no.
    1 point
  24. Just believe. Stop asking questions and just believe. God's designs are absolutely perfect in every way. See how it's all perfectly shaped, see how these things all fit perfectly together? That's god!
    1 point
  25. Anybody ever see any size of faith move a mountain? Hm. But bulldozers, mining operations, etc. can move mountains. So Caterpillar and Komatsu are more powerful than faith in god?
    1 point
  26. Imagine how many more people we could save, how many more hungry we could feed, how many more naked we could clothe, if only we had a bigger building! Give us money!
    1 point
  27. The bible is true because it says so in the bible. Men of science may think they are wise; but god uses the foolish things to confound the wise (yeah, because the rest of us are intelligent enough to see it for the bovine excrement that it is). The king james version of the bible is the only evidence I'll ever need.
    1 point
  28. Now let us humbly pray. Oh great Sugar Pill, we beseech Thee to fool us into finding our own inner strength while we glorify and praise your holy name. Give us today whatever we earn for ourselves and protect us from our own self esteem. All praise to you, our lord Sugar Pill. May we forever yield to the randomness that we believe is your perfect will.
    1 point
  29. I guess God desires for most people to not be Christian.
    1 point
  30. Of course Jesus masturbated. He stuck it in BOTH HOLES! Bahdumm-CHssssssh!
    1 point
  31. I also remember when ppl would say not to be ashamed when trying to convert people to god. Don't be ashamed of your beliefs that are no longer revlevant to culture and that discriminate against a whole group of people. They would have to pound away about that enspecially to the youth group, that "we shouldn't be ashamed when talking about god". Well, I realize now that that "shame" was just called BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING, who didn't feel right about telling people that their life style was a sin, or that they needed jesus in their lives even if they were living as a good person. Now that I think about it, it's a truly incidous thing. As much as they preach the idea of acceptance, acceptance is actually shunned because that would include respect and acceptance of people whose lifestyles don't align with the biblegod.
    1 point
  32. Christian doctrine also convinces Christians that what they're doing isn't "judgement". It's "love"! They love you enough to tell you you're going to hell if you are gay or another religion. In fact, they love you so much that they will call you names, scream in your face, harass you, march in protests at funerals, and any other methods of vitriol to convince you to see the truth of Jeebus. "I don't hate the sinner, I just hate the sin!" and even though I am screaming at you because you're a baby-killing bitch who will burn in hell, it's not judgement or hate or fear, it's God's love! It's "I'm punishing you because I love you." Christianity: a special kind of cognitive dissonance.
    1 point
  33. Jesus would roll his eyes at these so-called 'miracles'. When he healed someone, they were healed completely and immediately. None of this partially healed bullshit. But hang on, didn't he say that his followers would do even greater miracles than he? So how come his followers' miracles are actually so lame in comparison?
    1 point
  34. If god really loved me, why did he let me doubt him until I gave up. If god loved me as much as they say he does, why didn't he show himself to me when I searched for him. If god loved me, why didn't he answer all my prayers. if god loved me, why did he let me get hurt over and over again... if god loved me... I could go on and on and on and on and on.. If god loved me, why did he let social services take my son away when I was only trying to protect him. the fact is... god (in the Christian form) is a myth and doesn't exist. and if god loved me, I wouldn't be where I am right now. I am working on loving myself, and I sure love myself a lot more than what I used to, but god didn't help me do that. I did it on my own through much pain. the fact is... god (in the Christian form) is a myth and doesn't exist.
    1 point
  35. Yeah, there are some crazy, unsupported conspiracy theories out there and a certain type of logical fallacy must be adopted in order to fall prey to them. Does this mean conspiracies don't exist? A conspiracy means groups of people working together for a common goal. This is by definition what organizations do. And, if you simply take the news and press releases at face value, you are at best gullible. The very fact that a multi billion dollar PR industry exists and that it's purpose is to spin should tell you that it's prudent to question the facts, and this doesn't make you crazy or paranoid, just reasonable.
    1 point
  36. It is exactly as you say. I have been of this opinion for decades. Faith is abuse. I wish they would treat religion like the filthy pornography it is and and mandate globally that only those 18 and over can attend. Anyone of the misconception of this shaming as a form of decent child rearing should be arrested and fixed like a filthy animal. And anyone exposing children to this filth should be known as a predator and kept away from all children. I wish my parents had been jailed. In America it is the old Ku Klux Klan mentality white psychos that keep this garbage going. AKA Fox news fans. But all religions are hate based. Hate of humanity. To the point of insanity. Did you know that good old "Utah" (Mormon Mecca) is the most suicidal state in America? Wonder why..... Could it be??? Abhorrent parenting? I suppose my stance on religion became solid at some point after reflecting on a conversation as a freshman I had with the one Muslim girl in my high school, years later. She was telling me how she feared that her father would send her back to the middle east to have parts of her vagina cut out....... I at the time.......... Was like oh, nobody does that... Don't worry about that... It was a year or two older than that when I realized that somebody had all ready genitally mutilated me. Religious people are sick. Evil. Abusers.
    1 point
  37. I agree, north american christian see that they are being persecuted if the cannot have a special rank in society (christian based law, christianity as school subject)In my country, christian are really being persecuted They cannot even go to church because radical islamist sealed their church They won the case in hi court but the local major does not care about the court order They have to do the service in the empty field with tent or the side of the road Christian cannot even celebrate christmas and easter without high security measure as church bombing are commonly happened during christmas or easter Police and military personal have to guard the church with all the dogs, xray and metal detector just like in the airport Some christian polices goes undercover among the church member during e service That's is really being persecuted Nort american christians have all the luxury to do the service and still thinking that they are being persecuted Unbelievable
    1 point
  38. Yeah, pretty dreadful website. Does He Think Capitalizing Every Word Makes It More Credible?
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  39. I agree, but for me personally, I am still fairly fresh in my deconversion, and the fact that just a year ago, I would have watched this movie and actually believed in the myth, makes me cringe in anger and disgust that I could be so deluded by a book of myths. The thought of watching biblical movies at this stage, still makes me feel disgusted. I think that after I have stabilized, I will be able to watch biblical films without a problem, but for now, it just makes me angry that I believed in all this mythological BS, and millions of people around me still do, including my dad. I'm sure my dad will watch the movie with relish, and be delighted to watch it on screen as his god destroys the earth in judgement. He's a very "end times" kind of Christian, and he actually gets a thrill from the idea of god wiping out the earth and destroying everything.... It makes me sick, that my dad is such a whack job, and this movie is just another awful reminder of that to me.
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  40. I tried to cling to Jesus for awhile and reject the Bible...but when I started reading all his words...like how he came only for the Jews and the lost sheep of Israel and told the woman at the well he didnt come for her (Samaritan) and she replied well even the little dogs beg for crumbs and he being moved by that reply, then decided to help her... I realized wow what an asshat...he was a racist supremacist and had nothing of God in his spirit... but that passage contradicts his other parable about the Good Samaitan being more godly than the law observing Jews...so that undercut the credibility of the Gospels for me...among many other problems... the whole sacrifice issue... blood sacrifice of his son thing.... just seemed completely ridiculous ultimately
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  41. wow.. as a graphic designer I have to say that's painful. What's more painful though is the crap these people do to their own flesh and blood. so sorry You are an amazingly strong woman
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  42. My condelences, this man should be in counseling not offering counseling. I'm glad you broke from the cycle. My critique: A one page website, what a waste of time. He might as well get a wordpress or a blogspot account. At least create another page or with directions since just that Home button looks awkward. Most of the code is setting up the advertising by tripod and lycos, since he wouldn't have the skill to do it himself if he did the html. In speaking of tripod: http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/tripod.com#page-1 He probably should have done his research on them, they are not ethical. The way the html is setup will not make for easy website expansion, he needs to use external .js files and css files instead of putting things inline. Don't even get me started on the end result. Creating one page is very limiting he should have created. 1. Home - The basics of who you are and what you offer 2. Counseling - Tell us about your service and qualifications 3. Church - What denomination and what do you believe about Christ. Just "we believe in Christ" is the most generic thing anybody can say. Try and stand out a little. 4. About Us - Tell your visitors about you. 5. Directions - How do you get there 6. Contact Us - How we contact you No effort no thought, and spelling and grammar mean something. I've put more thought into this than he did, and for the best. This page is not going to convince anybody. At least put in a church or something.
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  43. I was thinking he got a hold of a bad batch of Qat.... No, not really. I've opted to combine the story of the good Samaritan and him getting beset by thieves on the Ascent of Blood. He's left for dead, beaten, and naked. His water skins taken. Starts hallucinating, or thinks he is having a vision, where he finds out about his "supernatural gifts" from some type of inspired Satan character. Samaritan will notice his ass on the road needing help after he's been passed up by a priest from Perea that remembers his blasphemous claims to savior status and a Levite who knows the local counsel is gunning for the prophet, but figures nature will deal with it and problem solved. The "angels" will be the Samaritan's daughters taking care of his wounds.
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  44. Yall are totaly ignoring the fact that Punk Rock bands lost in the desert are always needing a bass player. I bet Haysus hooked-up with one of them for a while and started doing some hot chic.
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  45. So what are you trying to say?, it's ok to follow a tradition that's based on a lie so long as you and your kids don't miss out on all the fun the tradition has become. But it's all a lie, I can't understand why you would want to keep a tradition alive that's based on a lie. Look at it the way I see it ok, say someone told you a lie, then you told that lie to someone else, then that person told it to another person. This goes on for a thousand year's but after a while one person decides that it would be better for them when they tell the lie if they dress in a red suit, this continues along and more people add more and more wrappings to deliver the lie untill we are another thousand years along So my question to you tradition jockeys, does the lie become less of a lie just because you decided, this year ill put a bow tie on the lie.
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  46. First post in 5 years, here goes. Sophomore year in high school, I sit down in English class and notice bold letters on the board of today's lesson material: Biblical Mythology. I never doubted my faith up to this point. It never even occurred to me to doubt or that other people could even doubt. I considered it obvious that Jesus was the truth and that unbelievers were actively conspiring against god because they wanted to be sinners (not because they had good reasons or countering evidence). I thought it was my responsibility as a christian to convince them to believe just like my religious mentors told me. So I approached the teacher after class and asked him how he can call anything in the bible "mythological." The title really threw me off for some reason but he was patient and said if I wanted to talk about religion or why I thought the bible was true (he sensed I was a fundy) that I can come by later that day and we could talk. I never did come by but I remember really wanting to because I wanted to "hand it to him" with a theological beat down. However, I realized that I couldn't present any real evidence at the time so I had to do some religious homework. Even though I was a hardcore Christian, I was smart enough to know things like anecdotes, bible prophecy, and miracles weren't going to convince a non-believer who also happened to be an adult teacher who I felt would judge me on my intelligence if I failed to present something credible; this wasn't like talking to my friends about Jesus. I wanted to consider myself smart so I held off for the time being and searched for tangible evidence that I could approach him with, but of course, I never found any (surprise, surprise). That whole process started about a one year journey where I became more religiously hostile (debating atheists online) thinking I absolutely had to be right.. after all, 99% of the people I associated with told me this a thousand different ways. I took a small break from trying to convince others and instead focused on becoming a better xtian. One day I was feeling especially guilt for some petty sin and remember thinking "man, what if it doesn't have to be this way?" Out of curiosity I googled "christianity is not true" and that led me down the inevitable rabbit hole. I was pretty much a full-blown atheist once I left the computer that day. It was a combination of reading about bible contradictions, the impossibility of noah's ark, Thunderf00t videos, among many other things. One thing just kept leading to another. I could not stop myself from reading about one "debunking" because I had to read them all. I have to say, walking outside that first time was like being born again in a new world. I literally felt like an alien with human sensory capabilities that was absorbing the earth's environment for the first time. I remember walking up to a leaf, starring at it and thinking how the creases in its shape were the result of complex biology, not any god. My mind was blown.
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  47. I've had a problem with most churches as they generally quote Pauline verses than stuff that Jesus actually said. If you ever goto a Sunday Service how often are the words of their 'GOD' quoted against Pauls opinions. Paul was a fraud that Just got connected the the right people. I never have trusted that Fictional Character and I never will.
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  48. Yes Jesus "said" some very harsh statements such as, Luke 14:26 King James Version (KJV) 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE. That is the verse the controlling ifb & other bible sects use to separate people from their flesh families!! It's cruel...Jesus, the cult leader, follow me or ELSE!!! Yeah....love, right? 2.4 billion people believe it is.......one word terrifying
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  49. I was just crying last night while doing the dishes because I want so much to believe there is something "benevolent" in the universe who actually gives a shit about humanity. I was crying because I am having serious doubts...I don't want to believe that just this life is all there is either. I want to hope there is more than just this. I mean, religion really really fucked up my life here, a "do-over" would be great. I considered myself a deist for a while, then questioned that. Then I wondered well maybe there are individual "gods" the god of anger, kindness, prosperity, sex, love, employment?? It's been hard for me to embrace the idea that this is all there is...especially knowing I wasted a good amount of THIS life in religious bullshit and all of the years lost. So, what I'm saying is not all that are here on Ex-C are atheists. Some of us are still holding on that there is something more. I totally understand all this (says the agnostic). In an odd sort of way, this means to me that we are not alone in the universe...
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  50. I agree with you whole-heartedly. I was thinking today that deciding to question, to go on a quest for truth, is the hardest and most important part. When you care about truth more than comfort, when you decide ignorance is not bliss, that's when you really are on the path to getting out. It's inevitable that we'll accidentally stumble onto truths in our life that contradict the Bible. We can block those out for a while, but there's a tipping point, one too many, when the intellectually curious people finally think, "Okay, I need to look into this and debunk it or at least investigate it to see if it has any validity." Once you do that, you WILL find evidence to the contrary of the Bible, and then you'll have to run away from it fast or look closer and accept the knowledge you've learned. The Christian indoctrination is so strong though. They try to tell you "lean not unto thine own understanding" and to block out any outside information. They make you doubt your own mind, your own intellect, your own exposure to facts. It can really torture your brain, trying to cling to what they've always told you, and trying to sort out the new information you have of evidence, facts, reality. To save your own sanity, you almost HAVE to investigate it, to look closer. You can put it off for a while, put a pin in it and promise yourself you'll do it later and then keep kicking the can down the road (which I think a lot of Christians do who are busy with two jobs, a bunch of kids, a spouse, and bills to pay) but sooner or later that paradox in your head is going to bug you to the point that you have to sort it out and find the answers to your questions once and for all. The funny thing is... the Christians who remain are more frightened than ever about questioning or searching for truth--because everyone they know who went on that quest left the church. So they hunker down and try to reinforce what they already believe even harder. Don't question, don't doubt, don't trust your own brain. I just feel pity for that mindset now.
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