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    Yeah, as others have said, it's a flimsy argument, but one that Christians often resort to. They like to rant against what they often call "relative morality." However, they're ignoring a serious problem that it presents for their own worldview. We have the Old Testament calling on the chosen ones to attack and conquer nations and executing his vengeance, but we have the New Testament saying to turn the other cheek. The Old Testament calls for the stoning of adulteresses, but the New Testament downplays that by saying to let he who is without sin cast the first stone. There is clearly a huge change in moral code, and Christians cannot believe the whole Bible is true without holding to relative morality themselves.
  2. 2 points
    I’m a professional evangelist. I travel the country — and sometimes the world, when the Lard magically commands it — trusting the Spook of Kryasst who is also somehow magically Him to magically cause those who hear me preach the Good News, the Glorious Bullshit about Kryasst, to believe and be SLAVED! As I’m sure you know, the most important decision we can make in life is our Sky Decision about who the Lard Jesus is and what we must do to follow Him. I couldn’t believe it when I first heard the Truth that 2000 years before I was born, the Lard Jesus Kryasst sacrificed Himself to Himself on the big giant stick to save me from the Holy Farter version of Himself! I always sensed somehow that something was wrong with me, and when I heard that that “wrongness” was because Adam and Eve killed my inner spook because they ate some magic fruit from a magic tree after listening to a lying talking snake and caused me to do shit that pisses Jesus off, even against my own will — well, it all just suddenly made perfect sense! The Word says that Jesus came to destroy the diabolical magical works of the Talking Snake (which He did when He Croaked in the Spook on the big giant stick), and the Word also says that Kryasst is gonna ride His Sky Horse down from the Sky Kingdom someday very soon to kick the Talking Snake’s ass for good! Glory! Considering everything that Kryasst has done for me, how can I NOT totally dedicate every moment of my life to Him and His glorious work all around this biblically flat planet? I say without shame or fear of any man that KRYASST IS MY EVERYTHING. He Croaked in the Spook and then Magically Undeadened Himself so that by believing that Glorious Bullshit, I could be SLAVED and go to live with Him in the Sky Kingdom forever after I Croak in the Spook. Hall-lay-LOOH-Yah!!
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    Hello everyone. I'm new here, and I just thought I'd introduce myself. I've spent the past few years coming to terms with life as a nonbeliever. During that time, I found myself dropping by this website off and on to read other people's stories because I was always able to find encouragement and strength through reading about what other people, like myself, had been going through after they decided to leave Christianity behind. I finally decided that I wanted to become a part of this community because I would like to be there for other people who might be going through the same or similar struggles that I went through during and after the deconversion process. I guess you could say that I just want to return the favor. Like many of you, I was raised in church. My father is a minister, and I spent the better part of my life having to follow in his footsteps. By the time I was a junior in high school, I started having serious doubts about the validity of my religion and the steadfastness of my faith. My dad and the elders in the church were all pushing me to become a minister, and the thought of committing my life to the church in that manner was way more than I was mentally or emotionally prepared to handle. Over the years that followed, I started researching different forms of spirituality on top of any and all history that related back to Christianity. I read controversial books like the Satanic Bible and watched movies like Zeitgeist - basically, anything and everything I could get my hands on to discover the truth. However, I was never fully able to let go of the belief system I had been brainwashed to accept as my own. Every now and then, I would veer off the straight and narrow for awhile, but the fear of hell and God's disfavor was just too much for me to completely get past. As you can probably imagine, this cyclical process left me a confused and depressed mess. So, it's no surprise that I fell into the clever traps set by people like C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and the king of pseudo intellectualism, Josh McDowell. There apologetic works always managed to answer just enough of my questions to keep me in the fold for a little while longer. Nonetheless, there was always something that didn't quite add up - something that nagged at me and wouldn't go away no matter how much I prayed, studied, or researched. I just couldn't shake the feeling that my life was being stolen from me by invisible hands that cared nothing for who I really was or what I really wanted (metaphorically speaking). It wasn't until I decided to go back to college to finish my bachelor's degree that my eyes were finally opened to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. It all started when I took a secular Old Testament history course that was taught by a professor who didn't laugh at or belittle my skeptical mind. In fact, he encouraged me to be a critical thinker. He taught the Old Testament strictly from a historical, archaeological, and academic perspective. By the time the class was half over, I realized that I had found the evidence that I was looking for - the evidence I needed to walk away from the "faith" for good. To sum it all up, I discovered that there is little to no historical or academic evidence to support the claim that Christianity is any different from any other mainstream religion in the world. In short, it was a cult started by rebels that was later propagated and made popular by the Roman government who realized its extreme potential as a tool for social control. The Christianity that is taught in the world today is a product of nearly 2,000 years of political and social evolution. There is nothing God-inspired about any of it... After the Old Testament history course came to an end, I began exploring other academic fields like sociology, psychology, and biology. Of course, these academic disciplines did absolutely nothing to restore the faith I had given up on - they did the exact opposite. I quickly came to the realization that this world is an absolutely huge place with thousands of religions, cultures, ways of life, and historical traditions. I discovered that all of us, to a great extent, are products of the environments and the cultures that we were brought up in. And, the list goes on and on... That basically brings me to this point. Obviously, I could say so much more, but I think this will have to do for now. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this! I look forward to getting to know all of you.
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    You need to be slaved, and I praze GAWD that the Spook of Kryasst who is also somehow magically Him has magically convinced you of that fact! Glory! Here's how to get slaved! Let's walk the Romans Road together, shall we? You'll notice that all of the following verses are from the glorious Book of Romans, which is why our journey is said to be on the metaphorical Romans Road! The first verse on the Romans Road to slavation is Romans 3:23, "For all have done shit that pisses Jesus off, and come short of the glory of Gawd." We have all done shit that pisses Jesus off. We have all done things that are displeasing to the Holy Farter. There is no one who is innocent. Romans 3:10-18 gives a detailed picture of what the shit we do that pisses Him off looks like in our lives. The second Scripture on the Romans Road to slavation, Romans 6:23, teaches us about the consequences of doing shit that pisses Jesus off - "For the wages of doing shit that pisses Jesus off is death; but the magical gift of Gawd is a second magical eternal life after this one is over through Jesus Kryasst our Lord." The punishment that we have earned for doing shit that pisses the Magic Sky Man off is death. Not just physical death, but eternal death! Without Jesus, not only will your physical body die, but your inner spook (the real you) will die too! The third verse on the Romans road to slavation picks up where Romans 6:23 left off, "but the magical gift of Gawd is a second magical eternal life after this one is over through Jesus Kryasst our Lord." Romans 5:8 declares, "But Gawd demonstrates how He made love to us from the Sky Kingdom, in that while we were still doing shit that pisses Him off, Kryasst sacrificed Himself to Himself for us." Jesus Kryasst died for us! Jesus' death paid the price to the Sky Him for doing shit that pisses Him off. Jesus' magical undeadening proves that Gawd the Holy Farter accepted Jesus' sacrifice to the Him up there in the Sky as the payment for doing shit that pisses Him off. The fourth stop on the Romans road to slavation is Romans 10:9, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that Gawd magically undeadened Him, you will be slaved." Because of Jesus' sacrifice to the Sky Him on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting His sacrifice to the Sky Him as the payment for doing shit that pisses Him off - and we will be slaved! Romans 10:13 says it again, "for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be slaved." Jesus died to pay the penalty for our having done shit that pisses Him off and rescue us from Himself and the loving flaming torture chamber. Slavation, the forgiveness of having done shit that pissed Him off, is available to anyone who will trust in Jesus Kryasst as their Lord and Slaver. The final aspect of the Romans road to slavation is the results of slavation. Romans 5:1 has this glorious message, "Therefore, since we have been justified through magical thinking, we have peace with Gawd through our Lord Jesus Kryasst." Through Jesus Kryasst we can have a magical relationship of peace with the Holy Sky Farter. Romans 8:1 teaches us, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who participate in the Sky Magic of Kryasst Jesus." Because of Jesus' sacrifice to the Sky Him on our behalf, we will never be condemned for doing shit that pisses Him off. Finally, we have this previous promise of Gawd from Romans 8:38-39, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither friendly spooks nor evil spooks, neither the present nor the future, nor any magical powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all the magical creation, will be able to separate us from the absurd love of Gawd that is in Kryasst Jesus our Lord." Would you like to follow the Romans road to slavation? If so, here is a simple prayer you can say. Saying this prayer is a way to declare to Gawd that you are relying on Jesus Kryasst for your slavation. The words themselves will not slave you. Only magical thinking and blind faith in the glorious bullshit about Jesus Kryasst can provide slavation! Say this prayer right now. The Magic Sky Man will hear you and He will slave you and seal your slavation with the version of Himself known as the Holy Spook! Glory! Click here to hear Brother Jeff preach and pray the glorious prayer below! (Warning: This file was recorded LOUD, so turn your speakers down initially so you can adjust the volume, or risk having Brother Jeff shred your speakers and blow your glorious ass all the way up to the Sky Kingdom at the same time! Glory!) O Magic Sky Farter, I know that I have broken your laws and the shit I have done that pisses you off has separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from that shit and stop doing shit that pisses you off. Please forgive me, and help me avoid pissing you off again. I believe that your son who is also somehow magically you, Jesus Kryasst, died for the shit I did that pissed you off, was magically undeadened, is alive and living in the sky, and hears me talking to myself. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my farts from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spook to help me do shit that pleases You, and to do Your kind of shit for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I talk to myself, Amen. Glory! Congratulations! You just got slaved! Now, don't let the Talking Snake take away your joy! He'll try to tell you that your slavation isn't real, that it's just an emotional thing or that the Gospel, the glorious bullshit about Kryasst, is actually bullshit, but don't believe him! You've put your trust in Kryasst! Rejoice at your victory over the Talking Snake! That talking animal no longer rules your life! Your new Lord is Kryasst, the Magic Sky Man! Glory to GAWD!! It's important to share your newfound blind faith with someone right away so that Gawd knows you are serious about your decision to get slaved and start living not for yourself or for the Talking Snake, but for HIM, your new Invisible Friend up there in the Sky! Please email me, Brother Jeff, at (EMAIL: jeffreylreid@gmail.com), about your glorious decision for Kryasst! I'll rejoice and glory with you in your slavation! I praze GAWD for magically leading you to this site and this very page you are reading so that you could hear the Gospel and get slaved! GLORY!!
  5. 2 points
    Hi, Geezer. Nice to meet you! It sounds like we have a lot in common. I honestly can't understand how anyone who has ever taken the time to seriously study the origins of Christianity, Judaism, and Middle Eastern religion in general could ever be convinced that those religions are anything more than human contrivances that were created by the various tribal leaders of the time in order to further their goals of economic, political, and social control. I also can't understand how any minister who has a conscience could go all the way through college and or seminary and not come to the conclusion that he or she will be nothing more than a snake oil sales person if he or she continues down the ministerial path... When one starts to study subjects like documentary hypothesis, ancient religious and political history, and archaeology, it doesn't take long for that person to come to the conclusion that the Bible has no more academic and historical validity than the Agamas, the Quran, or the Bhagavad Gita. There are definitely things in all of these books that can be used for historical reference, but they, like all other human literary works, are extremely flawed with inconsistencies, canon discrepancies, half-truths, and political and cultural biases. For example, archaeological discoveries have been made that put a number of the stories found in the Old Testament into serious question. It now appears that the ancient Hebrews were just as guilty of retelling history to justify their political decisions and to make themselves look good as any of the other cultures of the ancient past were... In short, if the Old Testament falls apart in the historical and academic arena, the New Testament has absolutely nothing to base its claims on. Christianity is just another cult that sprang from an older more established religion.
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    Hi, Vadarama. I completely understand where you are coming from. For me, it's gotten to the point that I can't hardly stand going to my parents house to visit. As I've grown further and further apart from my Christian past, I have started to look at the world through an entirely different set of lenses. Now, I find that there are very few subjects that concern life, politics, science, love, etc., that I can actually talk about with my family. They always reinterpret everything that I try to talk about from a Christian perspective. It's extremely frustrating and very disheartening. At times, I feel like I'm talking to little kids who don't really have a clue about how the world works and who don't care to know either. Anyway, the end result of my visits is that I always go home feeling severely depressed. Just being around them brings up old feelings and resentments that I have tried hard to put behind me. So, I kind of think I understand where you are coming from. I guess you just need to find the strength to move on without them. To a great extent that's what I had to do.
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    Even with god there is no absolute right and wrong. There is only morality as is convenient in the moment, or "situational morality". It was convenient for god to say that killing was an absolute wrong when he was giving out laws on Mr. Sinai; convenient to say otherwise when he was leading the Hebrews into Canaan. The same "morality" is applied by the pastor who rails against abortion until his unwed daughter shows up with her belly tucked under her chin.
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    I know a lot of you only tolerate me here - I'm prickly on my good days. I was a youth pastor, evangelist and worship leader. I was a street preacher. I know the bible back and forth and can discuss various nuances in theology in depth if I choose. Why, then, am I so dismissive of people who claim faith in Jesus, etc? It's simple - it's because, at the end of the day, every single one of the people you could name, whether a famous apologist for Christianity or a random believer you know, is only clinging to the version of "faith" that satisfies their deepest felt needs and fears. Whether their god wants them to prosper because their daddy was rich and they should be, too, or whether they need a Daddy in the sky to hold their hand because their earthly daddy was a drunken, idiotic fucker - no matter how lofty or mundane their issues are, they have a god, a theology, a worship style, a lifestyle to fit them. Are you a racist asshole from the suburbs? How about some nice hymns (if you're over 60) or some nice white-bread acoustic-guitar campfire songs? No drums, please, and no repetitive choruses. Maybe you're the humble, open-minded, liberal-leaning evangelical who wants to adopt from Africa and feed the homeless - great! You can cry yourself to sleep over your personal failings and have a heaping helping of songs on Sunday that talk about the perfection of your god and how rotten you are as a person, because your motives must always be suspect. See, I never said I didn't understand how people could come to their conclusions by reading the bible - if you believe the bible is true, lots of other things can semi-logically follow. What I said and always will say is that none of those logical formulae make any of the bullshit less than bullshit - you just have your own spin on the bible stories that turns god into whatever you need him to be. I believe ALL the versions of Christianity are equally true - not true at all. I also believe they are absolutely as true as each individual neurotic narcissist needs them to be. Yes, that's right - believers are neurotic (there's always something wrong, with the world, with my part in it, and with me personally) and narcissistic (the eternal deity of the universe gives a personal, individual shit about me and my failings, and there are even parts of the all-powerful deity's plan - both for me personally and for the entire PLANET - that won't/can't come to pass if I fuck up). I could talk all day with "believers" about how to logically and philosophically defend guilt-by-association through Adam. I could spend hours talking about how true Christianity is founded upon the covenant God made with Israel, and that there is a natural, logical need for both a connection to Israel's sacrificial practices AND a necessary renewal of/break from/re-purposing of those same practices. It's just that the ONLY reason there's any point in constructing and defending such positions is if I need those things to be true in order to make sense of my life and my place in the world. I don't need those things to explain what I don't yet know - that's what travel, reading, listening, eating, talking and even fucking are for. To expand your borders and gain experience and amalgamate wisdom if and when possible. Folk-tales are awesome when they're told well and when they transcend culture even as they bathe us in it. They don't need to be true, though, and no attempt to prove them makes them any more so.
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    Hi guys. I haven't been on these forums in awhile, but I feel a need to plug back in. Seems I must actively continue down the road of healthy recovery from my discarded evangelicalism, with patience and awareness. It doesn't just fade away, and my actions and thoughts are still informed daily by the trauma of that spiritual violation during childhood. Upon deconverting, I was so excited to really start living- I was truly invigorated and enlightened in a way that confirmed I was on the right path- the path of reality and truth outside of my weird matrix of dogmatic interpretation. It was a thrill. I'm still so eternally (ha!) grateful for my new perspective and intellectual/spiritual freedom, but I struggle to adjust and live like a normal human day to day, and to really invest in longterm things like personal career goals and family/friendship. I struggle with agency and personal responsibility, even though I'm so relieved to have access to these things now. There are many reasons for this, but I think I've been ignoring a key one. I've heard countless references to survivor's guilt as a phenomenon, but for some reason it really hit me for the first time last night that it might apply to me and be one of my major hangups. Years later, I'm almost paralyzed by guilt for escaping. Extended family members are super caught up in the insanity of death-cult American evangelicalism, and some are even Right Wingers/Trump supporters, despite us being Black and not coming from money. To see the irrational and self-harming ideology continue to affect my loved ones is too much. I can't accept that I've gotten out of the mindset but they might never see what real life is like. It's heartbreaking! I wonder if I'm subconsciously holding myself back from thriving in the real world because I can't bring others with me, and because of the shame I feel about having the chance to thrive without God. It's a basic human right that we all should have- I feel like I'm sitting at a banquet table that my family can't join me at, and I'm unable to enjoy the meal, or even fully partake. Does this make sense to anyone?
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    I agree. Jesus is the parallel Moses in the NT that comes to save his people. The typology is obvious. Moses wanders in the desert for 40 years Jesus is tempted by the Devil in the desert for 40 days. The parallels are numerous throughout the OT & NT. Both Testiments are clearly fiction with fictional characters, but I suppose Mythology would be a better word than fiction. Christian Mythology sounds better than Xian BS.
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    Yes I posted that. I don't like the "liberal/progressive" movement either. I thoroughly support and respect everyones rights outlined in the constitution. But neither of out current major political parties do. It is really sad to see this going on in america. I would love to sit down over a few drinks and shoot the shit with ya on politics and religion. DB
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    Amen to that, brother. Now that my own childhood indoctrination into religion has been pretty thoroughly reversed, I realize the horror of it. I know young parents who, while not overly religious, are already working on filling their toddlers' minds with God stuff and it makes me sad. I'm still not a fan of many of today's 'progresssives' or 'liberals' though. I see many adopting a secular religion of identity politics and 'social justice' that is actually frighteningly illiberal. So I'm somewhat homeless politically now: I'm part libertarian, part classical liberal, part something else. I still think capitalism with sensible regulation is the best system. DB, I think you posted a poll recently where you mentioned being a constitutionalist. I think we're pretty close in this area. You and I would have plenty to talk about over a beer or some good bourbon ?: politics and religion, the things they tell us to avoid, but subjects that free-thinking people who respect each other can appreciate and learn from each other.
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    The iPhone actually played a major role in my deconversion! I got my first one back in 2010 and soon became a fan of podcasts. Well I had been a fan for a while, but not having to connect my iPod to my PC to get updated episodes made it so much easier. For a few months I was listening to 'Back to the Bible' but then somehow discovered a podcast called 'A Christian and an Atheist', where two guys - college buddies if I recall - discussed all kinds of issues. To the extent that I had ever given thought about atheists, I probably had the impression that they were nocturnal creatures with bad skin who lived in dank basements. But the atheist on this show seemed like a guy I could have a beer with. Of course I was definitely on the Christian side of the discussions, but the breakthrough was the idea that an atheist, instead of being repulsive to me, was ... interesting. Soon I was listening to debates between Christian apologists and atheist counter-apologists. At some point over the course of several months, my reflexive distrust of atheistic viewpoints broke down and - holy fuck - I found myself agreeing with them more and more, to the point where I knew that this was the side where I belonged. I've mentioned elsewhere that I went through a more or less agnostic phase in my 20s, as my religious indoctrination was wearing off. I have to think that if I had access then to the counter-Christian arguments that are so widely available today thanks to technology, I would have rejected Christianity twenty years sooner.
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    Ha ha ha!!! That's the funniest shit I've read in quite awhile. You officially just made my night!
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    Heard this song while at the bookstore today and it has been stuck in my head ever since.
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    As a quick point I think this line is a poor non argument. The Bible explicitly states "And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her." Luke 1:38 While you could make a case that she feels helpless, in the context of the story, she realizes she is the prophesied virgin and submits to God's will. This is not the same as being raped - people in relationship submit to others will all the time and quite enjoy it. I know others have used it, but I just feel the Mary line is a very poor line of argument when arguing about rape. And I only just read ficino's last line... haha great minds think alike.
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    Hi Yunea, yes, you've been treated to one of the standard Christian apologist arguments, as others have pointed out. I agree with the Prof that even with God, we don't have absolute morality, since a given action is presented as right sometimes and at other times, as wrong. I think Christians present a false dilemma. They want you to think, either there is objective/absolute morality, for which they'll argue we need a God, or there's NOTHING but individual whim and taste. They expect everyone to shy away from admitting the latter, and they hope people will as the only alternative wind up believing in God, in the belief that only God provides the basis for morality I think there are other answers between the poles of God morality (which is what they mean by "objective" or whatever) and purely subjective, individual morality. So far I think that the correctness of declarations about morality is judged by intersubjective agreement, as it is with language. Utterances in a language can be right or wrong or a mixture (i.e. bad grammar but you know what the person means). The "judge" is the community of speakers. The language is not absolute, because it can change over time. The individual does not decide her/his own private language, so it's not individually subjective. But we don't have to posit a divine language giver. Even non-human species have forms of language, and I think they can differ from one population in a species to another. some features of language are universal, like the law of non-contradiction - which is a feature of thought itself, underlying any given language. the test for it can be left with how well communication works. We can test that the law of non-contradiction is valid because violations of it destroy communication, so we can see that its validity stands. We don't have to say it's valid because God makes it valid or because we know from God that it is valid. I think it's this way with morality, too. along my idea that there are answers between "God/objective" morality and "purely subjective" morality, I think that the answer, "taste," may actually have potential. It's along the lines of Hume's saying that morality rests on right sentiment. Humans have a range of differences in tasting foods from one to another, but most humans agree on basic tastes. I'm wondering whether the "taste" metaphor for morality is like the intersubjective agreement in language comparison. I also think that the apologist's argument is a fallacious appeal to consequences. The apologist doesn't like the consequences of what he imagines would be entailed by disbelief in God. But that's not evidence that God or the God-version of absolute morality exist. Well this is the best I can think of. Tell us more how the conversations develop! --------------------- Oh, adding: Mary is in fact represented as being willing to be impregnated by the HS. She says, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word." Luke 1:38
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    vadarama, I see where you are coming from and also feel I would very much like to "rescue" the fams from harmful indoctrination. As for guilt. No. Not so much. Just a kind of loneliness knowing I cannot relate with Mrs. MOHO, her son and his family. The oldest grand-daughter (stepson's daughter I have no kids of my own), however might be awakening so ... maybe I'll have a confidant in a while.
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    The old morality argument. Without god there is no absolute right or wrong. It's a fallacious argument, you'd have to establish god's existence first, then establish that god is the absolute moral arbiter before that claim actually means anything. Take rape - rape is absolutely wrong most of use would agree. Christians then try and claim there is nothing in atheism that could lead us to say that. (Well no shit, atheism is just no belief in a god). This is similar to William L Craigs "you can't get an ought from an is". This incidentally is wrong. We know rape hurts people therefore we ought not rape.
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    Thanks Margee! It's not even 9 am and I've used up all my Likes for the day. There's a lot of good stuff on these forums lately. And a lot of good people, most importantly. Good without God.
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    Dear God, It's me again. I have come to you so many times in the past asking for your devine favor. Sometimes I felt that you had answered while others you left me hanging. I've seen the suffering of your children and read the confusion upon their faces. Why oh God do you not answer those that proclaim your Holy name? Why do you let your children be raped and murdered? It isn't for Christ's sake but just for the carnal desires of money, sex, and even sometimes in your name! You said vengeance was yours!! Is it really? Then where is it? I've called out to you pleading for you to restore my faith. To make me feel that assurance that I felt when preaching your word. When I felt that you were leading me to what I needed to feed your flock. I miss that connection, the one on one feeling when I thought you were with me. Is that not a humble enough request for you?? Are you really so high and mighty that you can't take time to show yourself to a man that served your ministry for over a decade faithfully? I'm tired of being told I need more faith! What happened to the mustard seeds? Are they not good enough now? Why don't you show yourself? It's been to long. 2000 years of man's interpretation has discredited your word. All I see anymore are lies. It's time for you to prove yourself. You said you would try us!! Now I try you!!! Show yourself!!! Show us your Glory!!! Make every knee bow to your presence!!! If you truly have all power this should be an easy task!! If your word is so true I would sacrifice myself so my children could see that you are real!! Jobs wife told him to curse you and die! Is that really what it takes for you? OK, we'll here goes! Show yourself you fucking asshole!! Manifest yourself before me and my family! Send Jesus down again for a visit so I can see for myself. Then strike me down and save my children! But you won't answer will you? This community has already said similar things and prayed the prayers I've prayed. They tried just as I have with no response. Your word said that the Other God's had no ears to hear, yet you also hear not. You said that anything we asked in your son's name, having faith, it would be granted unto us. From where I stand it looks like you are either as dead and dumb as those idols spoken of in your word or you are a coward. Your a myth...... that's all you are. Like Zeus and Odin. Oh how I wish your book of lies and the fear it instills in the hearts of man had been lost in time like the faith of all those other bygone religions. Your no better. You just created a monopoly on faith with a punishment to unbearable to risk worshipping others or even to think freely. Faith was supposed to make us free but has only confined us to your will. I hope your happy with all the grief and death you have caused upon the earth. The blood is on your hands God. Your lies and your deceit have have scarred mankind forever. I was going to say goodbye...... but I can't. Your no where to be found. Sincerely your once faithful servant, Dark Bishop

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