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  1. End, Not trying to be picky but do your statements above hold true? The "Professor" has answered your first statement as copied below: "We don't have knowledge of Christ the person, though. We have, at best, third-hand information written hundreds of years after the fact. Nor do we have a "relationship" with the holy spirit, given that there is no compelling reason to conclude it exists." Your "spirit/memory" statement very quickly drops the "memory" equation in your paragraphs above which in reality it is. Why do people who develop Alzheimer's or Dementia o
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  2. So this is just a fancy way of saying jesus was just some regular old dude that people still bother with today just because of tradition or habit. I mean, in the case of Santa, it's just the date that triggers these events so it's not like we're all-fired up with Santa year-round (though the ad agencies would love it if they could find a way to sort that out). mwc
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  3. A ‘relationship’ with jesus is like a ‘relationship’ with a blow up doll or your imaginary friend Jimmy. Whatever. I you dont hear the words with your ears then your brain made that shit up.
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  4. When Will Christians Become A Minority In The USA? Not soon enough.
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  5. "I'm not perfect, I'm just forgiven ... you assholes!" LoL
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  6. Sounds good on paper, but......... If someone has ties, school, sick mom, whatever and isn't surviving on the pay from the only job he can get, how is he going to pull off a move to another state or city? The only thing that makes sense is factoring in local cost of living. The only reason to even have a mandated minimum wage is that many, if not most, employers will pay desperate people as little as possible. There just needs to be some balance that affords some human decency to those who are working the best job they can get.
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  7. We don't have knowledge of Christ the person, though. We have, at best, third-hand information written hundreds of years after the fact. Nor do we have a "relationship" with the holy spirit, given that there is no compelling reason to conclude it exists. We have historical, first-hand evidence for the existence of St. Nicholas. We also have a credible timeline of the evolution of Santa Claus. In other words, we can see how the person of St. Nicholas became the myth of Santa Claus. We have no such connection between the supposed "historical" Jesus and the myth presented in the
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  8. There is a difference between "innocent" and "not guilty". Innocent means the defendant did not commit the crime; not guilty means the evidence doesn't support the defendant's guilt. The defendant could be guilty as hell; but if the prosecution does not provide sufficient evidence, then the default position is "not guilty." The evidence currently at my disposal does not support the claim that a god or god's exist. Therefore I have no choice but to accept the default position. god might exist; but the case has not been sufficiently proven.
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  9. Please don't make a presumption that a divorce is traumatic for children. Sometimes it's good for them. When my parents announced a separation I was elated. I could hardly wait for the palpable tension in the house to end as well the pressure on me from one parent who vented his frustrations on me. I was disappointed when they reconciled and he moved back home but by then I'd pretty much figured out how to stay out of his sight. But I would have much rather have lived in a single-parent house.
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  10. "I have a question, I'm curious about how atheists come to believe in no god." Many Christians think that atheism is a belief system and what I see in the question is a presumption that being an atheist is a belief, or somehow requires belief. That's different from not believing. The lack of evidence to support the existence of gods doesn't require belief. Rather, it's an analysis of fact.
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  11. When a testimoney is lengthy I usually don't read all of it, because they are often similar to what all of us have experienced. I read every word of your story because it was so interesting and well written. I am happy for you that you got out and that you found this site. I read all of your posts because you write interesting & thought provoking posts. You're an asset to our little community.
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  12. Being nice has nothing to do with being Christian. When you see somebody acting nice they are not doing Christianity. Pointing out this fact does not make me an asshole. It is just the basic facts.
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  13. Riven, it is called "selective grace". Grace is given to the selected (Trump), while admonishment is given to the outgroup non-select (Obama). Self serving and convenient, isn't it? They have sold out to ends justify the means "Survivor" mentality. They have made a poor bargain. Short term glory, long run demise.
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  14. Sex is real. God isn't real. The only way for Christianity to compete with sex is to twist it around so that all sex flows from the Church. Men need to get married. Women need to satisfy their husband's needs. Married couples need to have kids and raise their children in church so the cycle continues. When young people grow up and follow their heart to have natural relationships with those who are willing they soon realize that Christianity is messed up.
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  15. The decline in the percentage of Christians in the USA has been well documented by several long-term, statistically valid studies. I got curious about when Christians might become a minority in the USA, so I plugged some of this data into a spreadsheet and made some forecasts using linear regression. The forecast, based on the 70 year trend, is some time in the early 2100's. But this downward trend has accelerated significantly recent years. The forecast, based on the most recent 20 years of data, is sometime in the 2040's, and "nones" may outnumber Christians sometime in the 2050'
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  16. Richard Carrier has commented on the finally published "first century" fragment of the Gospel of Mark found in Egypt that "Christian historians" theologians and apologists have been hyping for at least six years. Guess what? It dates from the third century. Just another lie pushed by Jesus, Inc. Carrier: It’s officially the mythical mummy Gospel. The “first century” manuscript of Mark Christian apologists have been gloating about and beating everyone over the head with for years…is not a first century manuscript of Mark. It also didn’t come from a mummy. It came from,
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  17. From Testimonies @LogicalFallacy request. LF It is not quite probable moving individual posts from one subforum to another. what has been done is a c'n'p to here where you may engage Knott away from Testimonies. Knott, this is a question best put in the Lions Den. This section is reserved for de converting people to seek help not face questions. But to get a start with your question read this thread: Also your profile shou
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  18. It puts the money in the basket or it gets the sermon again ....
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  19. @MYRTBOS - It is wonderful to be out of such tension, holding competing thoughts for so long. As @sdelsolray said, our cognitive dissonance serves us well to inform us, however refusing to look at things doesn't. It took what it took, but I'm glad to be on my way out. @DestinyTurtle - thank you! It's been a rough road, and it's not without irony that I say I'm taking the road less traveled. It's easy to stay stuck, and harder to take steps into the unknown. But as you said, my life, my responsibility. I'm willing to step up! @Geezer - You have no idea how much that mea
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  20. Well done. Very informative. Could you please create a video showing the ranks of other religions (Islam, Hindu, Judaism) and their associated changes? News that Christianism is decreasing is certainly good news but, if it is being replaced by Islam, we are all hosed!
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  21. Well then.....what else is this bullshit religion for?!? Lol I assume you were being cheeky, but you are kind of making my point for me! If we don't need to be saved, then......?
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  22. Yes. This is religion; not a relationship.
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  23. Except all this shit doesn't HAPPEN! I used to pray, cry even, nothing. Begged for a relationship, the guy didn't even have the decency to use a billboard on the highway. He doesn't email, text, talk on the phone or in person. I don't get dreams or visions....I can't even call upon Satan to sell my soul to him, he doesn't show up either! Summoning spirits appears to be bullshit, I can cast out a turd and have more concrete evidence that it exists than these illusive-ass demons...
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  24. People don't claim to have a personal relationship with Santa; nor do they insist that others should also have a personal relationship with Santa. They also don't try to pass laws against gay people based on Santa's teachings. You're trying to make orange juice out of apples.
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  25. For your Greek needs, well named has studied ancient Greek -- let me or him know and we'll see if he can help.
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  26. I agree. I read the book as I was deeply questioning Christianity and it helped push me on out the door. The supposed evidence was so weak that it merely proved it was all a scam. I'm so glad to be thinking clearly...
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  27. To be an atheist is simply to not have a belief in a God. There are many reasons why one might be an atheist. These reasons do indeed include science, study, Christians being so damn goofy, all of the above, etc.
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  28. ... the problem with your scenario here End, comparing a "real" physical relationship ... a factual one which can involve ALL the human senses with a "belief" relationship is really in no way similar! One is undoubtedly FACT! What christians are NOT prepared (or want) to believe is that OTHER religions have and FEEL these same feelings from their "belief" relationships. Usually of course in christianity it is the "born agains" who keep pushing this "relationship" versus "religion" scenario. It does get a little tiring continually hearing it ... and once again ... being used as a st
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  29. Yeah I know how he feels. Takes a lot to really get in and question your beliefs and have them challenged.
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  30. I chime in. Very well done. The fundagelicals have to ramp up their attempts to exercise control and political dominance, because otherwise, they are losing control. Will their attempts only push more people to get out of the cult?
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  31. I've just had more practice is all. It's not like everyone who drives-by doesn't ask this same question. mwc
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  32. Long story short: I'm atheist because I decided to examine why I was a xian. mwc
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  34. Well said. It is easy for us (humans in general) to assume that those with strong differing views are arrogant, but it's not necessarily true. It is especially difficult to assess whether or not one is arrogant on a message board. We're not getting the person's tone or body language. All we're getting are the words they post, so it is easy to misconstrue the intent.
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  35. Lots of interesting discussion here! I'm surprised we don't have more threads like this. Interestingly @Riven, the question you asked was answered for me by various Bible studies and through theologians I read. The answer was essentially that everyone goes to hell by default, and anyone who avoids this fate does so purely by the grace of Jesus. Which only comes by hearing the Gospel. So long story short: if you don't hear about Jesus you are definitely going to hell, which is what you deserve anyway. For me it was a more nuanced, but nonetheless very important issue that Christiani
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  36. Hi ludicrouSpeed. First, welcome to Ex-C. Yes, you have found yourself in a bit of a predicament. I like the idea of marriage counseling, and for me, counseling helped me sort out that there wasn't any future in my marriage. Should your marriage end, it certainly isn't the end of the world. I'm glad that my first marriage ended. It ending meant the end of a whole lot of stress! I will second what mymistake said about not having any children with things being as uncertain as they are for you. Children take up tons of time and energy and if a couple isn't careful, they can drift apa
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  37. I think it's a perfect analogy also. We (most of us) believed in Santa when we were children. In time we put away our childish ways and figured out (one way or another) that Santa wasn't real. To continue believing in Santa would have been embarrassing to say the least. But ohhhhhhhh---to have those feelings (and gifts!) that the belief in Santa gave us. Wait--we can have it! Just believe in Jesus/God aka Santa-For-Adults. No evidence, no logic necessary -- it's all about the feelings. (edited for clarity)
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  38. I don't think I could have picked a better analogy if I tried. You're strawmanning me a little, I never said Jesus did not exist, I talked about unicorns. I was using the analogy to demonstrate speculating on hypothetical somethings that have not been proven. If Jesus did exist, like Santa, than he was nothing more than a person that has become a legend since his death. Using your analogy, Santa is based on a person who did good deeds and was well liked/remembered. Somehow that became a fat, bearded, red-clad, ho-ho-ho decreeing, immortal being that lives in the North Pole and has
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  39. Yeah, this is quite typical. When we get a Christian visitor, if they are part of a denomination then they think we are ex-Christians because we went to the wrong church that taught us the wrong theology. If they believe they "don't have a religion, have a relationship" then they think we are ex-Christians because man-made religion did us wrong. If they stopped attending church altogether then they think we are ex-Christians because church did us wrong. The Christian visitors always look to their own personal experience to explain away our existence. It could never be the reason ex-Christ
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  40. I’m slowly reading through the testimony section. I hope everyone knows how important this section is to people like me. I need to know I’m not alone in my experiences and thoughts.
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  41. As I mentioned in another post where one of you was trying to deal with forced church attendance, cut out the pages of the Bible, saving the cover, and replace the insides with a detective novel that also includes lots of steamy sex. Then you can sit in church and read your "Bible" and everyone will be impressed with your piety. Another option is to cut out the center of all the pages so you have a hideaway spot for valuable jewelry. A thief wouldn't go through your bookcase opening Bibles to find your diamonds.
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  42. I'm in the midst of processing my deconversion. I wrote this today. I'm probably a little shrill, but whatever. I really hope any current believers that lurk here see this. I wrote a bunch of stuff over the years, much it from a place of incredible emotional pain and torment, as I felt my heart slowly get ripped away from my faith. It's hard to read now. However, this list came to me, after pouring through those writings today. 42 Reasons Why I'm Not a Christian Anymore The idea that if you are divorced because you were in an abusive marriage, you
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  43. The New Testament was written by celibate monks who were secretly gay but hated themselves for being gay. This is really obvious in the Pauline epistles, and especially Revelation, where the author has the ultimate closet gay celibate fantasy of having 144,000 male virgins who inherit the Kingdom of God all to himself. Perhaps "the second coming" was just a secret in-joke?
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  44. Yes. Remember a Biblical marriage was between one man and all the women he could buy. Samson's parents tried to get him to marry one of his relatives. Abraham married his half sister and then allowed somebody else to marry her too. (Christians try to make up excuses but really there is no excusing that) Two sisters married the same man, Jacob. Esther becomes queen of Persia because even though she was a virgin she was the absolute best at sex (the best out of thousands of women). Ruth needed a husband so late one night she snuck into her cousin's (or was it her uncle's?) bed and said "c
    1 point


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