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  1. Man, learning to not say anything when it could only be detrimental is hard.
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  2. Dr Marlene Winnell (a former Pentecostal who de-converted from her Christian faith) says that she still can speak in tongues even after her de-conversion. I have a friend also who can still speak in tongues after his de-conversion. Would this not suggest something to you? It certainly would to someone not indoctrinated!
    2 points
  3. Lost, You can follow through with your previous choice to not associate with these people. If you happen to see one around your town, you can just smile and say, "Hi." If they start to talk about religion you can say, "I do not wish to talk about that." It's all quite simple behavior, on your part. Quite simple.
    2 points
  4. As someone pointed out to me once "There's other wisdom out there" There are other book's about life and reality that are far less condemning than the Bible.
    2 points
  5. Maybe god was just punishing her for being such a vile person? Maybe he has no plan at all for her? See, if god did have a plan for her, would he have made sure she (and her family) had not been in that boat in the first place? Or did he just enjoy wanting to see her suffer? Isn't the human mind just so short on intellect!
    2 points
  6. I taught in a religious college and I just couldn't do it anymore. I loved teaching and I did my best to try to secretly challenge the fundy nonsense. (In truth most college kids seemed to be wandering farther and farther from it). But in order to be true to myself I had to just let it go. You might find that it feels liberating to do just that.
    2 points
  7. That is the approach my brother and his wife took when their boy and his girlfriend slid on ice (4-wheeler) on a curve and over a cliff that had no barrier. They turned it into "God wants to use this to witness to the girl's mother". Years of mental programming faces a harsh reality check that could help them see through the programming, but the fear of that reality pushes the believer to make a nonsensical "answer" about God being faithful and good instead of absent or non-existent. My brother said "I don't know how I would have made it through this without Jesus". He did make it through it without Jesus, but his emotions find solace in thinking someone is in control of this chaos. I kept my yap shut and let them find some comfort.
    2 points
  8. Christians, Do you have to love your God unconditionally? Now Does your God love you unconditionally?
    1 point
  9. God uses what the world sees as foolishness to shame the wise. The Bible and its word saves you. It may look foolish but it is God's tool to speak to humans. The world does not have spiritual intelligence. They see it as foolishness. To their detriment.
    1 point
  10. Wait though. Didn't death come into the world because of knowledge? How can we perish for lack of knowledge and also perish for having knowledge? Is there some weird middle ground where we know just enough not to die? Is this a prophetic foreshadowing of the Dunning-Kruger effect? This must explain precisely why god is always so vague: he isn't smart enough to know how stupid he is; nor how intelligent we are.
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  11. QFT.. Possible daLard used a seventy-five year old war machine survivor DuWK to have her live out his plan? Kill off her entire immediate family, wipe out her loved ones, do all that neat Job-like chitt to show his Glorious Purpose... Ahhhhhhh... Bullshit! Poor kid, entire situation sucks for she and rest of her life, for which I do feel for her. kevinL
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  13. That's one pretty smart god. When I want people to understand me I try to be as clear as possible so everyone can understand but this guy just wants to shame people who think they're smarter than he is even if communication suffers. mwc
    1 point
  14. Are you happy H? Do you feel more content as a Christian again? I hope so, sincerely. But posts like this one kinda send the opposite message.
    1 point
  15. Well, the easy answer is someone just asserted it which made it so. Xians are only concerned with "agape" love. This is is a big deal for them. They think it's the biggest deal ever (yes, bigger than sliced bread even). It comes to us through Latin as "charity" (if I'm not mistaken). It doesn't sound like much but they look at it as the ultimate form of selfless love that applies to anyone/everyone even if they don't deserve it. They don't see it as the ultimate form of charity even though that's sort of how it falls out. Of course the Greeks had other words for love but those are considered unimportant (philia and one I can't recall which was a parent/child love) and almost vulgar (like "eros"...icky) depending on who you talk with. No, the only one worth anything is "agape." Just agape. I would think the better answer to your question, however, would be that people posited that "purer" things were of those belonging to heavens (and gods) and "baser" things belonged to the earth. As things were purified those rose up and as they were corrupted they fell (thus the thoughts that prevailed for ages that there was "rarified" air in space). So if you could purify yourself you could rise up and so on. So the purest things would belong to the gods (like love) and the corrupt things would belong to us down here (like hate). It's kind of like alchemy (spiritual alchemy?) in some ways. You can find some evidence for these thoughts in Revelation when gold becomes clear as it's purified (we know that pure gold does not do this but the thinking in their day, and form of alchemy, was that the more pure the lighter/more transparent). mwc
    1 point
  16. If Gods exists he will not be found in Grim Churches or dusty volumes full of both chapter and verse. He has no part in unfulfilled promises or strange visions that isolate and confuse. He is not in the laying on of sweaty hands or the droning voice of inflated male ego at the front. If God exists he no more comes in human form than in the splendour of a garden worm. If God exists he is not he or she but it. The it that is a tree or river The it that is the universe in which we all stand The it that is a single breath of mine. The Its that claim nothing and just happen to be.
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  17. I don't know. I'm too lazy to look to see if there's anything about unconditional love. Seems god has lots of rules but I don't know if there's conditions on love. That doesn't seem as important as obedience and belief. I think in 1 John it goes on about how god is love and god showed that love by sending jesus. We love one another. That shows gods love. And then we espouse belief in jesus which shows love too. But I don't recall anything about unconditional love or anything like that. Just god is love which means, to me, the embodiment of love and that's a bit different than loving unconditionally. The fact that god could hate (Esau for example) seems out of place of the embodiment of love and even the idea of god loving unconditionally. mwc
    1 point
  18. I think maybe. I'm pretty sure the congregation wasn't entirely ignorant of what the preacher was saying. There weren't a lot of people there, and there was a lot of hoopin' and hollerin' going down there. They's probably had the slaves of God thing so ingrained in them that manipulation is just the same word as far as their concerned. I've listened to enough Skillet to have a good idea of what that is. Totally not gay for men though. Can't get the Hell in Jesus.
    1 point
  19. While I kinda like your post, liking to indulge in some magical thinking myself, the title you chose really could use some humility. If that's just you being provocative on purpose then I have no complaint as long as you know you are. I remember you saying God speaks to you. How do you know it's God who speaks and not the Devil impersonating God? Maybe ask him? And expect demi-godly bluff in response in case it's the Devil. Maybe the Devil speaks to you because he knows you're vulnerable to that attack and does not speak to me because he knows that would lead me to God.
    1 point
  20. SB, what you and others reading this thread need to realize is this. With indoctrination you become TOTALLY subjective because of the version you believe in. That IS indoctrination's sole objective. That is why when I look at YOUR statements I keep thinking your message has NO effect on me whatsoever. Why? I would have been taught that because you spoke in tongues you ARE of the devil! This you do not see, because you are blinded by YOUR version of a story told by mankind for mankind's evil goals. You see ONLY what YOU want to see! That is why we have over 30,000 versions from the same book. Like gods of other religions, mankind often made a god in his own image. (Not a god creating a man in his image.) If you were a muslim, you would be here telling us another vile message with as much conviction and being as equally correct as a born again with their drivel. What you have to learn is that these ancient stories ALL created their religious gods for reasons of control! You are living proof of that!
    1 point
  21. God created us all with intellect that refutes God's foolishness? How does foolishness shame the wise? It may look foolish but it is God's tool to speak to humans. <-- This is a superior being's plan to save us? From himself?
    1 point
  22. Speak for yourself, H. Repeat this in front of a mirror: "The devil tricked me into believing that my intellect is superior to God's message". Just not in any way you can demonstrate.
    1 point
  23. If God exists I think it has made it clear that it isn't the least bit interested in humans or creation.
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  24. This is too sad and traumatic to make any comment other than to say how tragic this is for so many people & families. I do understand why people that survive something like this would embrace the idea that a supernatural force was involved in their survival. She is just attempting to make sense out of something that makes no sense.
    1 point
  25. Religions clearly manipulate people, that's how they survive. That preacher was being more honest and forthcoming than he realized or intended. Oops, it seems he accidentally let the cat out of the bag. It doesn't matter most of his congregation probably wasn't listening anyway. And those that were likely didn't make the connection.
    1 point
  26. I dunno, man. People tend to project their own worldview onto the world, and assume every other person behaves and thinks the way they do - thereby justifying their thought and behavior. I once met a person, who looking back I am now convinced was nearly-psychopathic, who manipulated people a lot. When I cornered him on it, he argued that "It's ok to use people as objects because that's just what people do to each other." At the time I thought he was probably just being eccentric and edgy, but over time I realized that that is actually how be believed and lived. I distanced myself from him. I for one thinks it's irrational to think of everything in terms of manipulation, and the casual assumption in doing so speaks to me of a really disturbed person. I get what you're saying in that it's refreshing in a weird, unexpected sort of way, but I worry that the speaker/preacher probably means what he's saying more literally and more viciously than you realize - like that it's ok to lie to your children or threaten your wife because "everything is manipulation anyways". Or maybe I'm waaaaaaaay overthinking this and you're just pointing out a funny unexpected thing you heard on the broadcast. lol. Just ranting.
    1 point
  27. @MOHO Yeah, I've noticed that. I think that plenty of people with hypocritical or crazy religious beliefs are "intelligent", but that doesn't mean they apply that intelligence consistently - which I think is an aspect of wisdom. Being intelligent doesn't necessarily make a person wise. I think I read back in the day that intelligent people are actually easier to brainwash since they often assume they're above the irrational tactics used in brainwashing - all the while being vulnerable to the emotional nature of those tactics. @TinMan It sounds to me like you spent a lot of time wanting to believe the best about people. That can be a really good thing since it guards you from the kind of cynicism about humanity that can really mess people up sometimes. I think there are comments above that address this better than I am right now, but it's possible to have skepticism about people's beliefs without necessarily undercutting their intentions or assuming that they're coming from a bad place (although some do - but most people tend to be simply wrong rather than outright evil, in my experience) - and that's a type of "giving the benefit of the doubt".
    1 point
  28. It just feels dumb to me because most of time it has nothing to do with god anymore. It's the constant struggle to find peace/truth in a sea of opinions when I just.....can't. Ever. *sigh* It DEFINITELY feels like maturity, just so very exhausting. Thanks for the encouragement. *hugs* I think it might be because there was a time when I felt peace, albeit a peace mired in ignorance.....but comforting all the same. I don't miss the faith, but the "everything will okay" feeling was nice. So, you're saying in your experience that the "emotive" bit starts to die down? I don't know, Josh, you're a man. My raging estrogen might fuck me for life. Thanks for the encouragement, for real, it's nice of you. Hmmm...I might be in the grey area between sane and insane. Now, Florduh, have you learned nothing on this site? Faith is unfounded, devoid of evidence, and leads to very bad things. Well I don't like grey and fuzzy life, now what. I still feel better that you identified with it at least a little, makes me feel less crazy. This really comforted me, thanks for this. Guess we decided on the fucking genius part then, huh? I do this too sometimes. You and I track a lot though, so guess you can join the fucking genius club. But....now that we're talking about it, I'm less certain. It's a grey area. x'D
    1 point
  29. As long as you don't switch from boxers to a thong I'm cool with it.
    1 point
  30. Well, speaking as a former worship team member..... and I would like to note that was not allowed to be a worship team LEADER....... I'm pretty happy that I don't have to play guitar under the leadership of someone with far less talent than I have. Of course, I'm not playing guitar right now.... lots to work out there... but I digress. I no longer have to worry that as a woman, I'm not qualified to teach a man. I no longer have to hide the fact that I'm divorced from a short-lived, abusive marriage 18 years ago, that evidently, disqualifies me for even participating on said worship team. I no longer have to have to couch every idea I come up with as "probably not a good idea but...." so I'm being properly submissive to my male church leaders. I no longer have only knitting, sewing, and scrapbooking events to choose from in my spare time, because evidently, that's the deepest Christian women go in ministry ideas. That's just the first things that came to me in the moments I took to write this. I'm sure there's more.
    1 point
  31. Perhaps this might help you with decision making. I stopped asking what God would have me do, and began asking what Good would have me do. In a sense good is now my god.
    1 point
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