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  1. 5 points
    So you're saying I was basically a witch with satanic powers all along, even when I was Pentecostal and terrified of upsetting the Holy Ghost, and also when I prayed all the time - really ALL the time, in my thoughts or whispering quietly - to Jesus, "thy will be done Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, who has power over everything in heaven and on Earth"? How do YOU know you have the right Jesus? I thought, trusted, and made plans that depended on the "fact" that I knew Jesus. Saw signs etc. And I was wrong. I have also gotten on my knees since my deconversion and begged with tears in my eyes for Jesus to live in my heart. Nothing happened.
  2. 5 points
    YES!! and a thousand times THIS!! ^^^ It's one of the most blatantly obvious scams ever in Pentecostal/Full Gospel circles. If I had the tech to do it (and sadly in this day and age I don't) I'd post a video of one of my legs or arms growing out to match the other one while I spoke in tongues. Now that I think of it, maybe I should invest in a good webcam. I could get a skillion dollars in donations for my 'ministry' if I did.
  3. 5 points
    @ donthodl: in answer to your question: Yes. the leg lengthening thing is a scam, by the way. I had it done on me.
  4. 4 points
    It's difficult, if not impossible, to retain your Christian friends once you leave the faith. Neither of you can be comfortable around each other now. Your common bond has been permanently broken. Even if you returned to the faith she would never fully trust you again, and neither would other Christians. They would always doubt your sincerity. Accept that that part of your life is over and move on, because I feel certain she will.
  5. 4 points
    Ya think so, do ya?? Have you been keeping up with the news?
  6. 4 points
    It's like asking did you know Santa Claus or believe in the tooth fairy. Sure... when I was a kid and didn't know any better. Same with God. I thought I knew God and had a personal relationship, I thought he spoke to me, but ask me now and well no, I didn't actually know God because it appears God does not exist except in the minds of believers. Yes yes, you have stories about how you've prayed for people and they've been healed (My friend has rang to say his fingers are back by the way), you've seen people saved etc. But if you bother to look past your own confirmation bias and four walls you'd realise these stories are dime a dozen. Competing Christian sects have them, Muslims have them, Hindus have them... and they all attribute whatever they think happened to their God/s. So I ask you how is anyone from the outside supposed to tell which is real and which is fake when they all produce essentially the same evidence? One, you realize you are talking to Ex-Christians right? Some of us might have been Christians longer than you've lived depending on your age. Two - that's basically a No True Scotsman fallacy. Congratulations on committing a logical fallacy (Drum roll please) More stories. Like I said my friends fingers are still missing. Surly with all this power and healing God can spare one healing to convince a lost soul? I've seen lots of videos, I've never seen one where I've actually thought it was real. Some of them are outright scams, conning gullible people. You'd need to establish the existence of demons before making a claim that "people were delivered from them". And no I don't think the majority use actors, though some do, I think that some people sincerely believe they can heal, and people sincerely bevel they are healed. The measure of sincerity in a belief is in no way related to its truth however. Again my friends fingers, and I'm going to repeat this every time you mention healing. If God is real then he would know that those fingers growing back would convince me. It's not something that can be mistaken... oh is the finger 5mm longer today? No, it not there! Put it back... all four of them. Lady with cancer. Yep, cancer survival stories are many. Sometimes against all odds. It's a known medical happening. Again you have in no way shown a link between your particular God and a healing. Catholics have these stories, Muslims, heck even atheists probably have miracle stories. (BTW are you Pentecostal? You sound Pentecostal - that's part of my background and we pretty much used to talk like you do.) Speaking of which, how do we know you are not sent from the evil one? He is a deceiver and a worker of miracles. Revelations speaks of an antichrist who will perform wonders - perhaps it is you?
  7. 4 points
    Sorry, but I have to address the "growing out limbs" mention. This is absolute and utter tomfoolery and the most basic stage magic. If you believe that nonsense, you are truly blind. I don't want to be harsh, but you should not be associating with any "ministry" that promulgates this activity, because it is a wilful con. Period.
  8. 4 points
    That's like asking adults to describe their childhood Christmases as if their presents really were brought down a chimney and delivered by Santa. Why in the world would you expect people who no longer believe something is true to still describe it in a manner implying that it actually is true? Do you honestly not see how that would make absolutely no sense whatsoever?
  9. 4 points
    @donthodl I'll reply more fully to your OP later, but very quickly: I have a friend who lost his fingers in an accident as a teen. I understand your God has healing powers. My friend is a Christian, though I'm obviously not. He has prayed, the family has prayed, fingers still missing. However from your story it appears you have a connection to God. Can you pray for my friend please? (God will know who you are praying for) If his fingers grow back you have an instant convert and a grateful friend. Don't bother with excuses like its God's will etc etc etc. We've heard that.
  10. 3 points
    Hi everyone! I feel like I already know so many of you, I've been lurking here for almost three weeks! (Actually, lurking is barely accurate... Stalking? Voraciously consuming? At any rate, this whole time my phone has been lugging around 30+ open internet tabs like a little Hydra in my pocket.) I don't know when I'll have time to write out my rather unexciting testimony or contribute to any other posts, but right now I just had to say - to shout: This is the kindest, most caring group of people! Earlier today I read through several old threads started by someone recanting their atheism, even trying to preach to and reconvert the rest of you. And your responses literally brought tears to my eyes. Instead of scorning the OP, teasing them, or immediately blocking them, you all expressed honest concern for their mental well-being and total acceptance of them, even if they ultimately would choose to reconvert. Further, someone who did scorn them even retracted that post, apologizing profusely for being rude. It was one of the gentlest, most compassionate online conversations I've ever witnessed. And not one loving word was said out of a desire to prove your worth for an eternal reward, but out of a genuine desire to make life as pleasant as possible for as many people as possible. Nothing could be more pure, more GOOD, than that. Thanks, guys. I'm excited to finally join
  11. 3 points
    noah is a myth adam is a myth talking snake is a myth moses is a myth joshua is a myth jesus genealogy traces back to a myth. but jesus is real. holy spirit is real. scripture is real. believe and repent. if not the hell is reserved for you ex christians, eternal suffering awaits you
  12. 3 points
    Hold that thought because SB has a history of changing sides. He is a Christian today, but he may not be a Christian next month. His "faith" seems to ebb and flow with the meds he's taking. And that is not meant as a slur towards SB. I like him. He's a good guy, and he's certainly welcome here, but his faith tends to be a little fickle and he has some issues that he's getting professional help with. Whichever way he ends up I wish him well. If he's happier as a Christian then that's where he belongs.
  13. 3 points
    Wow, that was a rather lengthy way to say, "You were never a real Christian anyway." Thanks, because we never heard that one before. Thanks for playing!
  14. 2 points
    hi! glad to find you. i am an old fart, former schitzoid über Christian, still mixed up about identity and personal values. i waited ‘til kids were grown to pack up the u-haul and get out of town. pretty lonely out here.
  15. 2 points
    The author was engaging in creative license that he thought holy men like himself were entitled to. Somewhere in his imagination, he thought it would have been cool if this had happened, so he wrote it down as if it did happen. The entire Bible is written with the same approach. He already had a congregation of illiterate peasants under his spell, or he wouldn't have been writing a "gospel" in the first place. They would believe anything he said, just like all cult followers.
  16. 2 points
    Oh boy. Did she copy and paste this from some kind of “How to respond to ex-Christian friends” template? Because this sounds like a cookie-cutter version of what I heard from several of my Christian ex-friends. Sorry to read that you got the pious cold shoulder from someone who is probably a close friend. Don’t let yourself get bullied into anything that your gut isn’t aligned with, you’re following your right path now, not someone else’s.
  17. 2 points
    Obviously, it's a myth. The entire Bible is a collection of myths. None of it is literally or historically true. I'm sure some brain dead dumb ass fundamentantalist preacher has preached a sermon on this and proclaimed it was a real historical event. Why wouldn't they, since they believe the entire Bible is the literaral inspired words of God.
  18. 2 points
    How do you respond to that mess? Lets see. You were never a true xian like she was. You're an angry little prodigal. You have to listen to her talk about jesus as part of the friendship (translation: "I can convert you nice and proper"). And if you don't then you're the problem here you nasty atheist. I don't even know if I got everything she laid down in that note. It was the whole kit-n-kaboodle that's for sure. I'd tell her that she nailed it. 100%. And never look back. mwc
  19. 2 points
    I guess I have to admit I never really knew god. It's at this time I have to confess that I had an addiction to putting money in the plate and when all the churches abolished the practice I had to leave since there was nothing there for me. Please try not to judge me too harshly. Oh, and my church believed all the miracles ended with the Apostolic Age so all this stuff you're talking about is a load of shit and perhaps even demonic in nature. So, you know, there's that. mwc
  20. 2 points
    You thought wrong. You're stroking your own ego.
  21. 2 points
    You had to pull all of the above from scriptures, which have shortcomings. That's cherry picking. You are literally picking the parts you prefer to believe and disregarding the parts you'd rather not believe. Yes, a lot of short sided and inconsistent christians do this very thing. Catholics not withstanding. When they do so, they commit logical fallacies and special pleading. This isn't any different than going through a fiction like Star Wars deciding which things really did happen in a galaxy far, far away and what didn't really happen. And claiming that the things you decided did really happen, are divinely inspired while the other things from the fiction that you do not accept, were not divinely inspired but simply man made. It doesn't get any more inconsistent than that. That's why fundies regard liberal, pick and choose their way through the bible christians as pawns of the devil, foolish, deceived, etc. It boils down to this, it's logically fallacious to pick and choose. Setting picking and choosing aside, we're left with obvious errant material. The only logical choice in the end is regarding the bible and it's claims about god, jesus and a holy spirit as fictional works of errant human minds. It's consistently errant right on through. That's the bravado....
  22. 2 points
    Father I must confess for I have sinned... I have actually thought about doing something like this. But I don't because I think its just morally and ethically wrong, even if you are not "forcing" people you are still intentionally taking advantage of peoples gullibility.
  23. 2 points
    I've heard it said that good atheists become humanists and do good for their communities, but bad atheists become televangelists and scam religious people.
  24. 2 points
    I heard Boslough smoked pot when he was 19. CAREER DISCREDITED! (haha)
  25. 2 points
  26. 2 points
    This is where you can trace a pin point to the beginning of the current self imposed delusion you've been suffering. Orchestrated by you yourself, within your own mind. Based on the mythological format of choice, christianity. I believe that the initiation of self imposed delusion did proceed forward as a drastic change from your perspective. If you step back and take an objective look, then yes, it seems more than obvious that the self imposed delusion began to manifest in these ways. Where you're the god, the devil and holy spirit because all of the above only have any existence within your imagination, and in the imagination of others who prescribe to the same set of mythological symbols.
  27. 2 points
    Good, good... so my friends fingers should grow back? What do you mean its better in person? It's simple, you talk to the big guy who is everywhere, and he works his magic. He's omnipotent, you don't need to be anywhere near the subject.... unless God is limited.... or doesn't exist. Oh and if you search this site you find people posting videos of "limbs growing" out. It's a cute trick. Not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about missing limbs growing back. It's one of the very few inarguable cases of healing you could have, but has never been medically proven. Lots of stories.... from many religions and cultures, but no properly recorded cases.
  28. 2 points
    I too have felt "demonic" presences, witnessed "healings", felt the presence of the "holy spirit", etcetera, etcetera. @donthodl, I don't doubt your sincerity. But I will say it again: none of this is new, and none of it is convincing.
  29. 2 points
    I wonder why it matters to a believer whether any of us were "really" ever Christians in the first place. What does that have to do with our present status? I think the question should be, "Why aren't we believers now?" That seems to me the question you should be asking donthodl. In order to "save" us you have to know why we left the faith and then you have to come up with reasons that will overcome why we left. In other words, you'll have to come up with better reasons for us to be Christians than we have reasons for not being Christians. And that is going to take some time and intensive study and research into the origins and evolution of both the Bible and the Christian faith.
  30. 2 points
    Oh yeah donthodl, quoting the Bible, as God's personally inspired words and therefor the ultimate supreme source of authority for all mankind, to people that aren't believers is a really poor strategy. We understand the Bible to be a collection of myths, aka fictional stories with fictional characters, so we don't believe the Bible is in any sense of the word true much less that it's sacred.
  31. 2 points
    Well then you've missed that. Because many people have declared all or some of the above. We're made up of many different denominations of ex christians. It's not impossible, though. Many here were once more pious than yourself, among clergy, studying to be clergy, etc. Zealous evangelizing, faith healing, speaking in tongues, etc., etc. There's nothing new under the sun for this community. And yet, upon waking up and realizing inside that the fairy tale is not literally true, the whole game was over just like that. The problem here is that you're clearly engaged in a form of self delusion. It's difficult for you to see it because you're right in the middle of it and are not looking in from an objective outside perspective. But it's very obvious for those who were once in your shoes and have since opened up and moved forward. For instance, many of us have experienced the world through eyes very similar to your own. But you have not experienced the world through the eyes we see through now. So that puts you at a disadvantage among an audience like this, where we know you but you do not know us, at least not yet. We'll see how history unfolds.....
  32. 2 points
    Yes, indeed. I thought my life was a conversation with God through signs, emotions, thoughts, other people. My hands would heat up during prayer and people would experience pain relief. I experienced many "healings" too but they all turned out to be me refusing to acknowledge the pain, dissociating it away. It hurts the most, I think, when you've been living like your relationship with Jesus is the one thing in your life you cannot lose no matter what, and then it's gone. That happened to me. I nearly died. I wanted to, I had someone hold me down physically so I did not harm myself. It wasn't boredom with church rituals, it wasn't that i was trying to have a relationship with a book. I thought I really had the real thing, Jesus walking with me through my life. However, these days I'm more gentle and loving than I was as Xtian. My hands still heat up the same way, and it seems something flows through my hands that calms down pets (and people too), I took very long to dare to try it but it still works. I also speak in tongues to help myself focus when I meditate. It works very well for that. How do you know it's Biblegod, donthodl, and not just abilities and sensitivities that some people happen to have for no particular divine reason? Why do similar things happen in so many religions and spiritual practices - feeling close to gods/spirits/Gaia, a type of touch that calms and seems to boost healing (well, all gentle touch does, so there's that even if the "flow of energy" is just a trick of my mind), feeling peace and kindness towards the fellow humans and the planet?
  33. 2 points
    hope all the doctors are out of jobs now amd hospitals closed in australia oh wait. there are still doctors and hospitals in australia
  34. 2 points
    You said you thought maybe your father was calling to you via the dream, but when asked if he was okay, he said yes. Would that be the response of someone talking to you from Hell?
  35. 1 point
    Jesus crucifixion wasn't unique. The Roman's executed a lot of people that way. It is a horrible way to die for sure and it's designed to inflect a lot of pain, suffering, & humiliation. Jusf for argument sake let's say that the entire episode took 24-30 hours for the arrest, trials, and pre-crucifixion torture. The Bible indicated Jesus died much quicker than most people that had to endure this torture. The Bible implies Jesus ended it himself by voluntarily giving up his spirit. So, God became flesh and voluntarily subjected himself to be tortured and ended his life voluntarily. That was all done so God could forgive sin. According to the Bible those that don't accept Jesus as Lord & Savior will be punished FOREVER by being burned alive without ever being allowed to die and end their suffering. What is fair about that? Jesus suffers for 24 hours or so and then ends his suffering voluntarily but sinners will be punished forever. How is that a just and fair punishment? Well it isn't but that isn't the point. The purpose of the story is to scare gullible humans into following the Bible's laws, rules, and commands without questioning them or the Churches authority, and that has proven to be a very successful strategy.
  36. 1 point
    It could be a lot worse than inferior landscaping or paint. Some people might end up with outhouses....... no shit. The Pew Warmer Mansion: One of the saddest groups of people in heaven will be those who never did anything beyond going to church every Sunday. They had the knowledge of the truth, but they never did anything with it. (Not to mention it looks like someone got locked inside with the toilet paper outside!) Or maybe the Struggling Believer Mansion: This home is for people who made it into heaven by the skin of their teeth. It's far better to live as a pauper in heaven, than to face the alternative. Then there's the home made for us ex-c'ers. The Quitter Mansion: This is a home that will never be lived in because the person slated for this lot was a believer in name only. Angels began to build him a mansion, but they stopped work when it was clear the client had no intention of fulfilling his commitment. Check out all 9 possibilities...according to Rapture Ready Apparently the one-upmanship never ends for the jeeezusbots. http://www.raptureready.com/mansions-in-heaven/ The stupidity of all christian speculation
  37. 1 point
    And I sense the presence of a heavily self deluded man, obsessed with reaching out for help while going through mental gymnastics. We're trying to help you orient yourself out of this delusion you're suffering. And it requires that you face off with the suggestions everyone is asking you to face off with.
  38. 1 point
    Yes, that one is quite indoctrinated. Note the, 'I'm special and you're not', along with the, 'You were never a True Christian', as well as the, 'You cannot understand the truth', and, of course the, 'I still want to be friends...but my Jesus addiction won't let me'. Rather typical sour grapes from a brainwashed theist.
  39. 1 point
    I love this quote I saw: Ms Brown-Davis said they're planning to demonstrate tolerance. "They're not welcome in Aotearoa," she said. I can guarantee that 99% of protesters have not seen a single video or article by either speaker. They jump on the media one line catch phrases and are already carrying pitchforks and lighting torches before anyone bothers to check the facts. I also hope our mayor gets the smack down by the courts. Apparently free speech groups are already starting cases against him. His statements that speakers wouldn't get to use council buildings because he didn't approve misses the point that the buildings are publicly funded. Its not his building, its the taxpayers. We shouldn't have one mans subjective opinion deciding what everyone else can and can't see. The only real risk is the SJW tolerance protesters trying to attack the speakers.
  40. 1 point
    I read or heard a few months ago that Hell was just because if didn't exist then bad people wouldn't be punished after their deaths, especially those who didn't suffer enough in life. Of course, Hitler was referenced. What that person missed was that according to Christianity, not only did Hitler go to Hell, but the millions of Jews who were horribly murdered went there too. Where's the justice there? Back to Jesus. His crucifixion was easier than most peoples, as his legs weren't broken after being hoisted up. As to being beaten, there was a schizophrenic man in California (Orange County if memory serves) who the cops beat so badly that his head swelled so badly that he was unrecognizable while having someone kneeling on his chest so he couldn't breathe. He called out for his father too. He also died from his injuries. Even without a crucifixion I believe that that man suffered more than Jesus ever did, especially since he didn't have a place at the divine table preordained for him. What's sad is that hundreds of millions of people suffer for years without divine purpose while Jesus gets the title of worst sufferer ever. Sorry that turned into a rant, I got a little carried away there.
  41. 1 point
    Holy shit. I hadn't read that before. Some confidence that Paul dude had. There's no reasoning with his attitude. I hope you can see the circularity of those arguments, though.
  42. 1 point
    @end3 @SerenelyBlue Go fuck yourselves. Your belief in unverifiable nonsense means nothing to anyone with a brain. The very best arguments I've ever read from Christards have either been "here's some tiny shred of scientific possibility that something might exist that you can't dismiss as 'not god'" or "The bible has de wurd jeroozalum innit, and dere's jeroozalum on de maps on de internets, derefore JEEZIS IZ LORRD!!!!! 11!!" I live in the closest quarters possible with a naive, brainwashed neurotic who believes in the literal historicity of a man in a desert building a boat in a mater of days, all sufficient enough to house, feed and protect a sampling of EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. SPECIES. OF LIVING CREATURE ON EARTH during what is alleged to be the single greatest natural disaster ever. Entertaining the remotest possibility that such horseshit is true is enough to obliterate any respect i have for someone's intellect, or confidence in their mental health. (I apologize for any spelling errors; my tablet is acting weird.)
  43. 1 point
    Wow, you really put a good deal of thought into this question, kudos. To answer simply, yes. I did believe that I had a true, deeply personal relationship with God. But now I do not believe in the existence of such a deity, so therefore I suppose I cannot have had a relationship with something that didn’t exist in the first place.
  44. 1 point
    ...It can destroy families ...
  45. 1 point
    @LogicalFallacy Thanks for setting donthodl straight. I deleted his HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE comments this morning. Nice to have someone in another timezone keeping watch while most of us mods are sleeping!
  46. 1 point
    This just goes to show you didn't even attempt to understand my post, nor did you read the guidelines... or at least did not comprehend the meaning behind them. As previously stated THIS section of this support forum for EX-CHRISTIANS (I.e. we once were Christians) and is off limits to Christians sharing stories, or attempting proselytizing of any sort. We have had plenty of exposure to Christian views thank you. We have plenty of sections to hear differing views. Like I said go down into the Lions Den if you dare. We will meet you in there... if you are not afraid of the lions of course Here it is: https://www.ex-christian.net/forum/6-the-lions-den/
  47. 1 point
    This sort of behaviour. Big assertions and bible quoting as if that's the end of the argument.
  48. 1 point
    Imagine for a moment the following scenario: You go into the most remote jungles of Africa or South America and come across a tribe of natives that remains completely untouched by the modern world. You take the chief of the tribe, who has never even seen a paved road, into a major city. You tell the chief that you are going to teach him how to drive a car; but first, he has to choose what kind of car he will be driving. You show him a boxy looking Rolls Royce; then you show him a candy apple red Ford Fiesta. You tell him he has to choose between these two cars; but he must choose wisely, because whichever car he chooses, his children, and his children's children, and his children's children's children will all have to drive that same kind of car until the generations of his family are wiped from the face of the earth... Is this a ridiculous scenario? Of course it is. There is no possible way the chief could even begin to make the choice put before him; and no rational person would expect him to. He has never even seen a paved road, has no concept of fuel efficiency, no idea what automotive safety involves, no clue what quality is when it comes to motorized vehicles. He might be the most intelligent, skillful, wise, and capable member of his tribe; but that is his world. In our world, he is simply not capable of understanding things we take for granted. Now consider the choice god gave to Adam and Eve concerning the fruit. It is clear from the scriptures that they had no understanding of the difference between good and evil, just as our chief would have no understanding of the difference between a Rolls and a Ford. Yet god hung the fate of the entirety of humanity, until the generations of man are wiped from the earth, upon the choice that Adam and Eve would make. Perhaps the difference between good and evil was knowledge that god simply took for granted, much like we take for granted that a Rolls is in many ways superior to a Ford; but god shouldn't have assumed that such knowledge was commonplace or that his still naive creation would have understood it. Isn't the creation myth just as ridiculous?
  49. 1 point
    Welcome back, Thumby. Thumby says: "When reading the bible one has to be a deep sea diver and not just a mere water skier-- figuratively speaking. You have to prayerfully and humbly study the texts and you'll discover their rich mean in.  The Holy Spirit reaches people who are as meek as little children (one can't depend on preconceived ideas to understand scripture). Just because the bible doesn't say the law was not written down before Sinai, it does not mean the law didn't exist. I did say that the aim of the law is loving God, and loving one's neighbor as oneself. Prior to sin the law was basically stated in the affirmative; in Genesis it shows this when God gave Adam and Eve simple commands. First He stated His commands in the affirmative--- of every tree you can freely eat (ahem, freedom to choose) --- and then He stated His command in the negative without giving too much detail and putting ideas in their heads--- of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat ... or you will surely die (more choice)." ....... When you say 'deep sea diver' I think you mean 'believe what someone else tells you about the bible. Imagine that all this nonsense is true. Ignore common sense and reason and logic while reading this baloney.' 'Prayerfully and humbly study the texts' means 'don't criticize them for Jesus is watching you!' "Just because the bible doesn't say the law was not written down before Sinai, it does not mean the law didn't exist." Pulling more crap out of the air, I see. if God didn't give them knowledge of good and evil then how would he expect them to follow his command of not eating from the tree? How would they know he was (supposedly) good and that they should pay attention to him? It's like some guy off the street takes a can of spray paint and paints a line on the ground. Then says, "Hey, don't cross that line over there." You have no idea who this guy is and there is apparently no reason that you can see not to cross it. Tell someone they can't do something and that's like an invitation to do it. It's human nature. I guess God didnt know anything about human nature or logic. And then there's that "you'll surely die" BS. "Cross my line and you'll surely die....(cough) in 50 years or so..."
  50. 1 point
    It's interesting that god told the serpent that he would "put enmity between your seed and her seed", given that, according to the most basic principles of genetics, the "seed" actually comes from the male of the species. An omniscient god would have known that; the men who wrote the bible obviously did not.