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    We are having fun here but you had to go there didn't you. Fuck you and your Goddamn racist mindset you racist motherfucking racist. Kiwis aren't like that. They will screw all sheep equally.
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    Hey, long term lurker, first time poster. Sitting here thinking how do I best outline my journey. Went through the whole conversion to christianity when I was a teenager. Thought It was the most amazing thing ever, I was serving in the church, part of the worship team. Then I moved away from home at 18, moved to a new city to start my nursing training. On a night out i ended up getting attacked by a guy who lived in my colleage hall. The resulting downward spiral from the assault resulted in me loosing what few marbles I had. I dropped out of school and moved to another city. I spent the next few years bouncing in and out of the pysch ward, self harming and self destructing. I found myself wandering into a pagan path for several years which was fulfilling. I'm not sure if i discount the idea all together of a higher power, I think the concept of the christian god is like the parable of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant, each one convinced that their reality is the only reality. Paganism allowed me to adopt a more holistic view of the world. ake of ge I got involved again in christianity. I made the mistake of accepting an invitation to a very charismatic Pentecostal church that was big in the shepherding/word of faith movement. I had what they would call a 'conversion experience'. In reality what happened was I was extremely lonely and surrounded by a bunch of people who love bombed the shit out of me and i thought i had found the most wonderful group of friends. Like all abusive groups once you are deemed to be a member, the love bombing stops and all of those 'friends' up and vanish like a fart in the wind. And information always travels up, never down. The pastor was incredibly gifted in the word of knowledge department. He had this way of speaking the truth into peoples lives that was uncannily accurate and must have come from god. The reality was that information that went up to the leaders got fed back to the church on a Sunday via so called 'words of knowledge' and prophecy. Many churches it seems arent in business of healing the sick and comforting the broken hearted, they want low maintenance members who can build the empire church and help spread the message and build the bank accounts of the pastors Apparently I was too independent, too free thinking etc. After i got converted all I wanted to do was serve in church like i did when i was a kid. However i was told by one of the pastors that I needed more brainwashing to 'sit under the word of god for a bit longer" As devastated as i was at the time, it made me easier to leave. Now as a nurse, I see much that I cant understand or explain or comprehend why a so called loving god would allow it. It just seems like if god exsists hes a fucking sadist who toys with the universe for his own amusement 10 years on from that here i sit, having lost my religion and am a much better person for it.
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    It's amazing how good it can make you feel. I notice a big difference between doing it, and not doing it. The bare consciousness thing is supposed to be you seeing the observer behind the stream of thoughts, the raw consciousness, and not seeing your true self as the thoughts that are streaming by every day. Hindu's call that Brahman, a transcendent energy consciousness which is the true identity of everyone deep down inside, basically. The big spiritual realization is, "tat tvam asi," meaning, "you are that." You are the transcendent energy consciousness observing, you are the god. I don't think the raw consciousness IS the Hindu deity, so I'm atheistic about it. But I still recognize that the raw consciousness is a spiritual oriented thing. It's just a naturalistic, universe oriented spiritual thing in my view. And the Hindu deity is a metaphor as far as I'm concerned.
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    It's a girl sheep, Kev! No need for chaps when having sex. He isn't one of them preverts!
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    Welcome Tenebrae. It sounds like you had a very rough start of your adult life and I'm sorry for that. I'm so glad you were able to get back on you feet. Congratulations though on getting your nursing degree and also on finding your way out of the cults of christianity you got into. Is everything pretty much ok now or are you still substantially struggling? Glad you here to keep us company.
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    Can't be me... that's a toy sheep. We use real ones in NZ. Bet some American wanker is attempting a poor mans copy of a proud NZ tradition
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    My "finite mind" is fully capable of recognizing that any "god" who would call bears out of the woods to shred kids who make fun of a man's hair or who would kill 70,000 innocent people because King David did something which (for some unknown reason) he didn't like, not to mention send people to a place of everlasting fiery torment simply because they don't believe in a "god" who won't show his face, is (if only he existed) evil beyond imagination.
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    Glory! https://news.yahoo.com/painting-jesus-survives-7-alarm-163952840.html Loved the comment "God burns down a church. A painting survives... It's a miracle. I will never understand religion. If I burned a church down and left one painting, I would be arrested for arson. God does it, and it's a Miracle." The True Believers™ had to chime in...
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    This is why I am independent. Neither side holds the interests of the people as paramount. @LogicalFallacyIs this true?
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    Hi, my name is Steven and I am from the midwestern US, right along the Bible Belt. There is still much that I am trying to parse through in my mental models and worldview that has been a more arduous journey than I anticipated. So, a little about myself, I grew up Christian (big shock, right). But in a family of true believers. To define what I mean here, I am not referring to belief in belief but rather, true belief. To clarify, I often hear, even now, the accusation of Christian hypocrisy because at a funeral, Christians grieve no differently from atheists. But this was never true for my family. We celebrated. Just recently my Uncle Carol, a very funny man, passed away and the eulogy was given by his brother who had those gathered rolling in laughter about the crazy stories and antics my great uncle used to get into. My mother and grandmother already have their funerals planned out and keep these event plans their Bibles, the cheerful songs to play, the refreshments to serve... We are true believers, unafraid and unapologetic. But, I think, we are also ignorant. And this is a crushing admission for me. We have always prided ourselves on our intelligence. Two of my sisters were Salutatorians and one only because she missed half of her Junior year due to mono. I am also (reasonably) well educated. At least, on the right side of the bell curve. And I am still a little lost at the moment. For the sake of my own therapy and to try to figure things out, I am writing my testimonial that I hope to have posted tonight on that topic board. Undoubtedly a TL;DR but something that I feel I need to write and post for me, if for no one else. I am kind of new to this. Please be gentle.
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    Hi Steven, and welcome! Many of us can remember the feeling of being lost. It does get easier in time. Looking forward to reading your extimony.
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    There used to be a really nice secondary market for tickets back in the day. You could just buy a ticket from "John Doe" (or whoever) who couldn't make their flight and you'd just assume their identity for the flight to use their ticket. No one checked or really cared except for the airlines, of course who couldn't charge full price for that seat while keeping the original fare for the person who couldn't fly. Anyhow, the TSA has plans to roll out facial recognition for all domestic flights too. The ACLU wants full details but, of course, "security" means they're being stonewalled. Maybe we'll get some amount of info, you know, "for the kids," but when it comes to adults you may as well realize the battle is over as far as you're concerned. And if this was about this side or that, left or right, dem or GOP, blue or red, or however you want to look at the two party system just understand that this has been happening while all of them have been in charge and while all of them have had the ability to reign it in or undo it. None of them want that to happen. This isn't a partisan issue. They really do agree on this. mwc
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    This morning I tried to lay down some rules about privacy and personal boundaries with a family member, by telling them that those are important to me, and that I'm not likely to forget the time when I started receiving get well cards from people whom I hadn't said a word to about my health conditions. Apparently though, the fault is with me, and I can't accept people praying for me etc, because I don't believe in god. Thus, if you believe in god, the logic goes that you also accept boundary violations and people talking about your personal health conditions.
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    I doubt our political system will improve until, or unless, we develope a vaccine for narcissism.
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    Very true. We are all drawn to own version of bliss.
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    Can't be a real pic or he and the sheep would be on the edge of a cliff. That adds a certain frisson to the experience. It also assists in the disposal of the evidence, one way or another. Casey
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    I've only practiced meditation a little, and what I do is just focused on breathing and quieting your thoughts. Call it getting down to bare consciousness, or whatever. I don't actually know much of anything about the history or context behind the practices at all, nor do I necessarily feel like I have to, so I suppose that's why I just don't associate it with spirituality necessarily. To me, it's just a stress buster, another tool for living life in a healthy way.
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    The interconnection aspect has been a tough one for materialists. If it's a pantheistic minded practice, where you're tuning in to the whole and things like that, it has a woo woo off putting feeling towards most strict materialists. Listen to the universal mind meditation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tF14GnCJqk The word god is used, but I understand this in a monist idealist pantheist framework. That's how I choose to take it in. Her source is U.S Anderson, a mystic. This is regarded as spiritual minded content. In the way the Advaita Vedanta is considered, "spiritual." I'm not shy about diving into stuff like this. It's part of my overall pantheistic philosophical outlook, which is a variety of spirituality. It just happens to gel with atheism where god belief is absent from the outlook. Stripping out the interconnection, monist idealist pantheism, and other spiritual factors, you're left with just meditation in and of itself. But quieting the mind is what these eastern mystics consider as part of a spiritual practice. Shutting down the chatter is aimed at getting down to the bare consciousness which in their thinking is primary, Brahman. The observer behind the stream of thoughts and all of that. So no matter how stripped down, I regard meditation as a spiritual practice just on account of trying to quiet the chatter and touch base with the observer behind the thoughts. And when people choose not to see that as spiritual, I have to wonder why?
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    I've never thought of meditation, relaxation, and other such practices as being spiritual, and in fact I don't really see a reason why a materialist couldn't benefit from them, and have no conflict with doing so. I find them somewhat similar to Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and 'training' your mind and thoughts in a more positive direction, except that meditation is simply letting thoughts go and giving your brain a break, so to speak. Where would the conflict arise with materialism, or do you think it does? I think these can totally be complementary, in spite of natural inclination.
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    There doesn't have to be anything religious about having personal insights like that, particularly if it's in an environment that is conducive and supportive of such. If you ask me, that was just your inner morality telling you that hurting people isn't exactly the most correct approach to life you can take. (ie you didn't need god to know that). In my former fundamentalist life, I would have taken that as my conscience speaking. It's strange, how I hear the argument that now my conscience is dead, and I've given way to a lavish life of sin, and being mislead by the devil. I have more compassion and empathy and genuine desire to help other people than I ever did as a Christian. Strange, that. I was driven away by the hypocrisy, among other things. The egocentricity of some people is simply astounding. I sometimes miss the community, in particular the singing. But there are other ways of finding community, and I was always a social misfit in my church and struggled to feel like I belong, so leaving was a relief. Have you read the whole bible? Or do you just pick the comforting parts that resonate? I finally decided it was time to read the whole thing. What a can of worms that opened, lol.
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    Ex-C can be very addicting for a variety of reasons. Mainly because this is an outlet that many people don't get to have in real time, day to day life. Some people barely ever get to speak to any other ex christians at all, except here in this online community. I stumbled in here years ago based on a link someone left in another forum where I was moderating. And I found that I like it here. This is different than most of the forums I've been on over the years. And I stuck around. I took a few years off a while back as a general burn out on forum activity in and of itself, and went forum free for a while. But later wanted to check back in and take up reading and posting again. It wasn't this site that did anything to me, it was mainly burn out on arguing with apologists at other boards. It just got old. And I had personal issues that needed all my attention. During that time I drifted into probably the most materialistic and non spiritual mindset that I've ever been in during the course of my life. I was completely out of focus as far as the eastern mystical thinking and focus goes. I just dropped it. And over time I began to regret having dropped it. And I intentionally went back to meditation and listening to Kelly Howell Universal Mind meditation with brain sync every night going to bed and basically getting back into my naturalist spiritual mindset again. Life seemed to respond accordingly to the changes, both the materalistic drab place I was in, and coming back out of it with some inward power of intention and positive thinking. Everything has been on the up and up, literally, materialistically, since I took back to living a type of spiritual outlook again and getting back on track with meditation. And I could care less what factors go into these changes. Maybe this, it might be that, perhaps some other thing. I really don't care. If having a positive attitude, visualizing goals, feeling like you're attracting people, information and circumstances around yourself according to your thoughts and feelings renders real time, emotional well being and monetary results, count me in. The alternative sucks, I know that. I experienced it. Poo pooing around and thinking negatively doesn't seem to have the same results. So to hell with it. It matters very little whether or not someone else agrees with it. There's no one to convince. I just know that over the last 20 years or so I've been much better off when I maintain some type of spiritual focus. Mostly concerning mind stuff, meditation and so on. And what applies to me might also apply to you, but not apply to someone else at all. So I have a "to each his own attitude" about spiritual thinking. I do feel like it comes natural to some but not others. And if the naturals deny themselves, the results can have a negative impact on their lives as you keep implying. I recognize the truth of what you're trying to say. And likewise, if someone's natural inclination is just materialistic thinking, it may do them no good to get mixed up in spiritual thinking. I could see how the negativity could go either way, if someone is denying their own gut feelings. Campbell said, "follow your bliss." We should keep in mind that materialism could be "bliss" for some people and if so, they ought to follow it. Hopefully they could find value in returning the favor and letting others do the same with spiritual thinking.
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    @midniterider Around 22:00 forward on the second video I posted about Radin's book, "Real Magic," he does go into some of the details with the experimentation that's been going on. And how some of the interpretations are that people can "push." But when "time is introduced it seems that people are not pushing the intention and that it originates in the future, and then reality catches up to it. This is going on by 23:20 of the video. And this is basically what the law of attraction stuff has been aimed at. Trying to fully believe that something is already done, already there. You embrace the feeling of something already existing and then reality catches up to it. That's certainly one of the more difficult aspects to do, because belief is involved. I'm gonna have to pour over Radin's book to finally learn for myself what exactly the truth is about the testing that has been done. What are the specifics of the tests. How are the results interpreted, and why. I really want to wrap my head around this thing because if the truth is that we're getting positive results for these speculative issues through scientific testing, then going around claiming that all tests have failed or that there is no evidence would be a very poor position to take on the subject. I have to admit, I've just taken claims that all tests have failed and no evidence exists at face value and never really looked into it very deep. Because obviously sensational sounding claims must be false, right? Maybe that's not the case though. The wacky sounding stuff that Radin is outlining about time and our perception of it is not news to me, it just sounds like some of the bizarre stuff coming out of the quantum level world actually does span out and apply to macrocosm in these ways - where "time" isn't what we think and so on. "Space" may not exist as we perceive it, that's another issue I've been seeing lately. So all of our judgement's based only on our perception of things like "space and time" may be way off, and limited to a short sided perception of the actually reality we're trying to perceive. That's not scary to me, but I do understand how that could be scary to a lot of people. The uncertainty levels go through the roof. It seems like by admitting this that it amounts to saying anything is possible. But I wouldn't say anything. Reality is probably still something in particular, even if we're not perceiving it directly enough to get the full picture. And all of this comes tumbling out of the issue of coming to enlightenment. Knowing that we know less than we think that we know, regardless of how much knowledge we've obtained so far. It's humbling. We've probably barely scratched the surface. And I'm comfortable facing that. What does this mean to christianity and jesus? In my opinion, not a whole lot. I don't see admission of uncertainty, mystery, and possible precognition and other issues favoring christianity in any way. Christianity is a copy cat religion based on retelling older myths and pagan mystery school material. If there's anything to anything, it would date back to the old pagan mysteries and whatever informed the old pagan mysteries. And if by researching esotericism (as Radin has done) I found some truths to be recognized, I'd be more inclined to recognize them at the source in the old pagan mysteries than I would to stop short at the level of a middle man religion like christianity and think that I'd found some truth there. I see people make that mistake with christianity quite often. They'll pick up on the solar mysteries, platonism, astrotheology, numerology, and other aspects that were tossed in to christianity and the bible to try and give it appeal to the pagan peoples they were usurping. And then think they've found something clever and true about christianity. But the truth is that it all goes back to the earlier sources. It goes back to the pagans who were copied, and then later condemned. That is one example of how I became "spiritually" immune to returning to christianity. I have atheistic reasons for being immune, but these are the spiritual reasons. I understand in my own mind that christianity doesn't have anything to offer me, spiritually, as a middle man religion standing between myself today and the ancient pagan mysteries which christianity ripped off. So it's spiritually dead in my mind. My explorations into the mysteries of life and existence thereafter have been free and clear of any christian fog and / or emotional feelings that would tug me back in. I can study theosophy, the secret societies, and even magick, without a care in the world as to what that might mean if I find some truths there. Knowing full well that they wouldn't bolster christianity anyways.
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    True. We had a professor in graduate school that said most politicians above the county level ran for office to feed their ego. A few of us disagreed, but we were young and naive. Through the years I decided he was correct.
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    Nuttin'. Either guise someONE tells the proles what where when to do what. kL
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    End. Ive said this before, but really you should just de-convert and own it. You dont seem to take your own religion seriously. Maybe you already did and I missed it. If so my appologies.
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    Every President has to have some narcissistic traits or they wouldn't seek the office and power that comes with it. The media has always attacked and critized every President, Trump is just the first one that is so narcissistic that he fights back. In some ways I find that refreshing, but Trump either doesn't know how to respond tactfully or just doesn't care. The evidence would seem to indicate he just doesn't care how he comes across to other people, and that isn't a good thing when you're the leader of the free world.
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    MSN I get the appeal but I disagree with moving it. I might get on-board if this obvious industry money grab could somehow do something to curb xmas encroaching earlier into the year but I doubt that will happen so I'm going to say we leave it where it is. Sadly, where I live, we haven't seen a single trick-or-treater in years. When I first moved here about twenty years ago we got plenty and I was happy about that since I like Halloween but over the years we've fell off to zero. People have gotten so paranoid about "stranger danger" that they just don't let the kids run around (supervised or not) to get our wrapped candy. They go around the malls or the equally and ever so stupid "Trunk-n-treating" (made popular by churches). I sure loved trick-or-treating as a kid and I can't imagine kids missing out but maybe they don't mind? I don't know. I guess if you never have a thing you don't miss that thing? I miss it for them. mwc
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    We are going to get candy and hand it out this year. This will be our first Halloween in this house. I hope we get a decent turnout. We're new to the neighborhood so, we're not really sure how it's going to be. I do know that I told my wife that we are not buying the candy until that very day or even a couple hours before trick-or-treating starts. That way, neither of us are tempted to eat it all before trick or treat time. Haha!
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    That was very informative. Thanks, Casey. New question coming off of this: The countries that are currently considered or called "communist", such as China, and more specifically, North Korea, but are also dictatorships (NK), what is the difference between a communist country and a dictatorship? Do they always coincide? After all, someone has to "dictate" how the proletariat operate, since any group of people will not always agree with each other.
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    Florida Man is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need.
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    Yup. He loves you so much that if you don't love him back he'll sentence you to an eternity of unimaginable torture. Here's a quote I got elsewhere on this site. If you decide to respond, it might be worth it to include this: Dan Barker, a former evangelical preacher: “I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being.”
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    So.... the universe by definition is everything there is but something created it? Where was this something if not in that which contains all? Of course there is no way to know but we can all guess if we want to. Just don't make a religion out of your guess!
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    Welcome! Our culture gives churches an undeserved sense of dignity and respect. Churches are a branches of a cult with no god at the head, just manipulated believers that range from social to devoted. Most of us here took it very seriously indeed, only to find out later that it was never real, and we'd just responded to the people. Add to this mix the odd tendency of our brains to fill-in the missing god with feelings and experiences that seem to validate, all while never really doing anything like healing or providing rent money. Glad that you found your way out.
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    It's amazing to watch how many times a Xian's definition of "True Xianity" changes over the course of their life. When will they realize no one is a Xian? No one.
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    Welcome to X-Xian!, @Tenebrae! I feel like toxic churches often soak up and use up well meaning people who genuinely want to give to a community, all for the petty pursuit of influence, money, and power. I wish there were more secular opportunities to build and support communities! Thank you for sharing your story and I hope this website helps you as much as it helped me!
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    Welcome @Tenebrae! Glad you found your way out. I can relate to much of what you wrote. I was involved in leadership at several charismatic evangelical/pentacostal churches. You're right about the word of knowledge bit. Disgusting, in hindsight.
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    Like so many labels these days the term has lost any informative meaning. My father and his last wife were devout fundy Christians and talked incessantly about their spirituality. Christianity is the natural enemy of spiritual by any definition. They are all about legalism and dogma. Guys who love hiking through the mountains call it a spiritual experience and ladies who enjoy a nice sunset with a glass of wine think they're spiritual. Witches and card readers are spiritual but so are the snake handlers in Tennessee. So what does "spiritual" mean in the real world? Whatever you want it to.
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    I look back and laugh at how sure I used to be about my faith, and how other people needed to have the same beliefs. Now, it really does spin my head sometimes to think about what a change my brain has done.
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    So it turns out not to be a "false flag," but an actual not-very-bright Trump supporter? I'm shocked. According to Trumpo, the "real" victim in all this is Trump.
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    My response would be similar to WarriorPoet’s response (Sept. 24). If God’s law is written on our hearts (as Christians claim), then we are judging not based on our human standards (whatever that means) but on God’s own standards. Essentially, our standards are God’s standards. Of course they will try to flank you with the “ His ways are higher than our ways” line, but that’s just the scripture’s way of saying God gets a pass at doing bad shit that we would never do. But if God can’t be judged by his own standards, that means he’s above the law, making him an evil dictator that must be dethroned. This is all assuming he exists, of course.
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    Kat, please consider that you may be mired in an obsession. Do yourself a favor and talk with a mental health professional.
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    I actually say something similar to Disillusioned if I ever have this type of discussion anymore. I have found the most success when you remain respectful of their beliefs. I will say something like, "Frankly, I can see why you believe the way you do, I see how you got there. I used to believe that too. IF a god exists as you describe, then it makes sense that I should not question it or be able to understand it fully. My problem is that you regard a presumption as TRUTH, when it is simply a presumption. If you do not presume there is a god, it makes sense that I've drawn the logical conclusions I've drawn." Just about every time, they just say "true." Lol It's rare though, because my "Christian Bubble" doesn't chase after me anymore, my parents and I choose not to discuss it literally ever, and when I tell people in my christian circle who don't know....they say "ME TOO!"
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    So, the takeaway from this article is ....

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