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  1. 3 points
    EDIT: I'd like to politely remove my thanks for polite and respectful posting. xD I missed someone playing victim and *eyeroll* I have not read through this whole thread, don't have a lot of time (sorry!) to read it at and write my little novel here, so I'm sorry for any duplicate answers or anything. I would like to thank you for (what I've seen of your posting anyway) being kind and respectful. I will always support challenging your beliefs (no matter what they are at any given time) and searching for truth and understanding. Wherever you land with that is your prerogative, but it's certainly a relief not to be on the defense/offense! Honestly, I'm not trying to be that person, but the Bible is one of those books that changed my mind. I was really, really, really on fire for Christ. I was dying to the flesh, I was on board with giving up this life to spend eternity with Jesus, I always read the Bible devotionally and was armed with apologetics to defend the Bible. So, per my beliefs at the time, I accepted Young Earth Creationism and the concept of the New Covenant. I was able to brush off a lot of things that bugged me or that other people brought up such as, "Oh, but it's not that way anymore. Jesus transformed everything." I accepted the Bible as devoid of error and never knew or believed otherwise. It was Youtube, reading books (I know you're not able to afford any now, but I could see if my Amazon Kindle would let you borrow mine!), and studying the parts of Scripture that I hadn't really read before and in a different way. I used to read the Bible to grow as a person and see what truths God had for me. As soon as I started reading it a bit more critically, my whole world fell apart and it was truly devastating. There is a misconception, at least I believed it when I was a Christian, that people who leave the faith are doing so in some kind of active rebellion. They have "tasted and seen" God's goodness and rejected it, they hate God and embrace sinful acts. For me, the actual truth is that my faith was ripped away from me. The tears I have shed, the pleas when I was alone and with other Christians, the meetings with pastors, oh lord the prayers, more tears....begging, I sobbed for God to show himself to me. Please, I plead with you, don't tell me that "it just looks like god has unfinished business" or whatever. Even if that's the truth, it's just the shittiest thing to tell another person. That is long gone. "The scales have fallen from my eyes," it's like not being able to unsee or unknow about a cheating spouse. It's just there now, ruined. It's why I'm filled with a personal sort of fury/heartbreak when Christians tell me that all I have to do is knock and he is there. Just seek him, he'll answer. God is love, *ALL* he wants is a relationship with you, etc. etc. That's just not true. And just like I can't try to convince you, I can't be convinced anymore. And being told that I am any number of "not doing ____" in order to hear from him makes it worse. That's not a relationship. I don't "test" and "ignore" and "punish" and "shame" by husband, who I love more than anyone else. I don't hold hell over his head to make him love me or demand worship for my awesome qualities. My future children will need to learn hard lessons, but I'm NEVER going to just watch as HORRIFIC things happen to them. If I witness an assault or suffering or tears....I don't do nothing. You wouldn't tolerate God's behavior from any human. That's not love. You know what love is. You might disguise it as, "I could never do ____, but I just don't have the mind of god." But you still know. Demanding your "son-self" to "pay for" the "sins" (aka arbitrary rules you could just decide don't bug you, unless you're not all powerful) of other people.....just to be able to tolerate the things you created....is all kinds of wacko. It makes no sense. Creating a place for people to suffer eternally is literally the antithesis of mercy. Or, knowing someone was going to end up there, creating that person would be the antithesis of mercy. And it's okay to acknowledge that. When I finally accepted that, "the peace that surpasses all understanding" hit me for the first time. I realized that EVERY SINGLE THING I had attributed to God in the past may not have been him. Maybe it was just me trying to make sense of the connectedness I feel with others and with the earth. Maybe something that really did just happen as a coincidence, I tried to give meaning to. My prayers had like a 50/50 shot, kinda like if I didn't pray at all. What is in it for you, why are you a Christian? Are you scared of a hell? If hell was NO factor, would you live life differently at all? Sorry it's so long of a response, I just tend to be more vulnerable with people who indicate that just want to listen. I even capitalized certain words like "God" for you, I don't typically do that anymore. If you're not trying to convert me back, if you're only wanting to understand, watch some videos on Youtube of Bart Ehrman or Dan Barker who helped me look at the bible in a different way. They show errors I never noticed before and a way to look at the bible through a historical lens. Feel free to PM me if you'd like.
  2. 3 points
    She was too condescending throughout all her posts. I was done with (the troll) as soon as I started to see her replies. When anyone in real life or on-line starts talking 'word salad' (answers are all over the place without giving an answer and often will blame the other person) I know they are not one bit interested in helping or in listening, I can easily walk away now and call bullshit. Reminds me of Trump. Brainwashed and dumb. As much as it stills hurts sometimes, I'm glad the veil came off my own dumb eyes. If anyone truly wanted to know how we felt or why we left christianity, they can sit here and read the testimonies for months (like I did) before breaking into our site and stirring things up. I don't like shit disturbers anymore.
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    I just wanted to pop in here and say it's possible to be anti-abortion and not a Christian. I think Christian reasoning for abortion is flawed and possibly short-sighted, but I refuse to believe it's wrong to strongly oppose the practice, seek alternatives that will help end the atrocious behavior, and encourage responsible behavior in us all. It's a logical fallacy to only allow for two abortion belief "options". This doesn't have to be a false dilemma or a strawman. Just saying!
  5. 2 points
    Yeah, this seems to be the perennial advice from religious leaders. Basically what they were saying to me now that I have persepective was we don’t know but don’t fuck up our religion because you have real world problems.
  6. 2 points
    I was cordial with her until she began deliberately misrepresenting my points. I take the gloves off for liars.
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    I am very hesitant to give someone life advice like that without knowing them. It would be reckless of me to tell you who you should or shouldn’t live with. That decision will ultimately have to be made by you alone. Having read the details of your situation, the advice still stands; do exactly what you want to do without apology or guilt. Do you want to live with your parents and help your mom? If so, when the TIMING is right, tell them your situation with love and respect. I wouldn’t go the “there is no god because of such and such contradiction in the Bible” route. I’d just simply state why it doesn’t work for you in your own words. Do not engage in debate. Respectfully ask for them to respect your new beliefs and offer any and all help towards your mom if that’s what you feel you need to do. If you approach this subject and can’t give legit reasons in a confident manner, you’re going to run into trouble. This could infuse a debate or they could play the “victim” role as parents. “Oh where did we go wrong Lord? Did we not raise her right?” Prepare for all of that. So, you’ll need to express that you would love to move in and help on the condition that you live your life how you see fit. Formualte a plan and execute it.
  9. 2 points
    You're paying rent there, that isn't the same at all as you living under your parents roof. And if it really comes to it and they want to try ruin your life, you can remove yourself. You're an adult. You do not deserve to have your parents ordering your life in any way. Particularly when you are pitching in, helping out and doing what you can for your mom. Gratitude should be expressed, not judgement. What you're willing to do is admirable. Edit: Don't go near the guilt complex that may be left over from religion. Be matter of fact and upfront about your SO. If they try lecture or guilt trip you can tell them straight out you live by different principles and have little in common there and therefore you're asking for respect in spite of your differences, as any adult would expect it. You can tell them straight out your SO may visit etc and that they need to be aware of these facts before they pool resources with you.
  10. 2 points
    Yeah I got that feeling as soon as she cut and ran from our questions. One by one she started refusing to answer. First TRP, then TS, then me. Meanwhile claiming we were being harsh or abusive. Lady u ain't seen harsh!
  11. 2 points
    @midniterider Yep! If she’s an evangelical as she claims to be, I sincerely doubt she would have been able to push past the cognitive dissonance and read or watch a single one of those postings you guys put up for her. Doubtful she looked at or read a single one of them. I care for those on this sacred site. Those who would have to endure her manipulative tactics while still dressing personal wounds. I give a fuck at this point and it felt good to lash out. Hey don’t come up in this house with that bull shit. Not having it. This site, to me, is holy ground. True holy ground. Where we purified ourselves and shared our deepest thoughts and experiences with each other as we grasped at reality with everything we had. We purged ourselves from that evil philosophy of self hatred and masochism. There are appropriate forums on here for her bullshit and last time I checked, this wasn’t one of them.
  12. 2 points
    Thanks, saying all of this helps see her tactics exactly for what they were. Her nice routine annoyed me though and ultimately it fails when you tell people you're there to listen or learn and you do no such thing and then claim that people are nasty. At the end she almost turned it into a "you don't like my God therefore you're nasty" claim. It's just pathetic when you attempt to label people by telling them you "won't play their game" because they're making some points that you refuse to respond to.
  13. 2 points
    Exactly this. Print this out and put a copy on your mirror and refrigerator door. Maybe keep one in the car as well. You can get no better advice.
  14. 2 points
    @Axelle That’s awesome. Very happy for you. “What do I do?” If you choose to tell your parents about your situation then do so without apology or self guilt. You’ve got nothing to apologize or feel guilty about. You’re a grown ass woman with the world at her fingertips. You can’t control their reaction. Maybe they do flip their shit on you. Guess what? They will get over it. And if they don’t, that’s not your problem. Christianity teaches people to feel bad about who they really are. It teaches you to go around and apologize for literally just being yourself. Do you and fuck what anyone thinks about it. Period. To reiterate; be yourself and offer no apology for it. Sever the cords of self guilt that Christianity planted inside you. Cut ties with that mentality and accept every single aspect of yourself as best you can. You need not explain your actions or living situation to anyone, including your parents. Form and shape your own destiny based on what works for you. People have a hard enough time living their own life let alone trying to live yours for you. Do what thou wilt.
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    I taught General Biology and Anatomy & Physiology for a while, at a local college. When students would complain about the subject being too difficult to understand, I would say, "If a dumb Redneck from out there where the foxes fuck can understand this stuff, then y'all civilized city-folk ought to have no problem with it." Didn't take long for the students to start referring to me as The Redneck Professor.
  16. 2 points
    This entire thread from start to finish should be a teaching lesson for how to spot evangelistic tactics 101. It was obvious to me from the second she showed her face on the intro forum that she was here to evangelize. Then I came over and read this thread and it really pissed me off. You guys opened up and shared your heart, personal stories, and researched materials only to have her dismiss most of it, offer disingenuous thanks, and play the victim all at the same time. Pretty impressive actually. **Moderator, quick question: can I say “fuck you” to this lady? Or would that be offensive? Never mind. Hold on let me address her personally before I continue: Lady, take your deceptive tactics and victim-hood mentality and f*** off (smiley face emoji). Oh just kidding sweeety my dear I meant no offense only joking lol. Here to be open and listen (smiley face haha emoji and praying hands). Makes me want to puke I absolutely hate seeing good people throw out advice and info to someone who could give 2 shits. Ugh, sorry, ever since I left god and shit on the holy spirit, my ungodly language just will not stop. So sorry. Here let me start over @Miriam we got off on the wrong foot. I’d love to share my new views on Christianity with you... there is no god and ... HAAAAAIL SATAN!
  17. 2 points
    “God loves you” in some form of another. Sends off anger inside me
  18. 1 point
    Hi there, Well, I might say that I am very confused. Very, very confused. Came here to may find some answers, one way or another. Confused that I was literally spiritually abused by a priest some years ago, and the rest of the time in the Church ( Orthodox Christian) has not so far been so full of joy as advertised. I dedicated my will and my decisions, to this guy, I asked a girl to marry me because he said so, thought I should then go to a monastery because he said so, started taking a new name because he said so, did not go for medical support for various chronic psychological issues, thought it was all because I sinned against the Lord and all that. And this guy is well respected in my home town. I wasn't even believed for a while. And, of course, like in many traditions, there is idea that God speaks through the spiritual father, if you have faith, and you should never discus or disagree. I almost fell into grand delusion and psychosis. I kind of did actually. And I met others like him which kind of psychologically messed me up. Very few, I admit, were helpful. And this brings me to the first point of my criticism of this faith and practice. Poorly educated people, struggling with their issues, are put there to lead the people who sometimes, many times, blindly trust them. This mind erasing, self killing, human idolatry cloaked in HOLY OBEDIENCE to me is incredible. The almighty God, ever present and all wise needs human trumpets for others to understand him. I get that I will trust a university professor with great experience in his domain, but he does not say that his knowledge is directly from God, it is because of time and hard work. Obedience has to be the top one thing which makes religion destructive. Or a version of obedience. Because it destroys free thought and the possibility of criticism. Hey, you cannot argue with God, can you now? Whatever you feel or think is of no importance, it is probably demonic or sinful so you better listen to us, because we are God's spokesmen and no matter how foul we may be, he still works through us. The very idea that a God created beings to obey seems morally repugnant to me. It has for some while, but now, I can have the courage to say it clearly. Why create beings with free will if all they can do is obey you? And you call that love? And this idea that God has unconditional love, BUT one the condition you do what he says, otherwise eternal unspeakable torture awaits you. This is the version in the Orthodox Church anyway. And that somehow, I am born evil and need Jesus is again repugnant. Why do you allow for me to be created flawed so you can come and save me? It just seems like some kind of weird game. And me being in so much suffering, praying, confessing, taking communion, and almost nothing happened until I went to a doctor and psychotherapist. And, somehow, I am asked to believe that that is also God's gift. But the very test of spiritual practice kind of failed, as in made me almost a lunatic, and material medicine resolved a bit of that. It is a system where God, the image of God cannot fail. If something good happens, it is God's gift. If something bad happens, it is God's gift, and it also good. But if you say that, these words have no meaning, because good, just, love means everything and anything you want it to meet. And believe me I have tried and still try to make it all fit. I am still asking for an answer. To respond God is unknowable is the opposite of a an answer. The idea that God so loved the world that He gave His Son to die seems, what? You couldn't like just kill Satan from the start and make everything better? How is this sadistic and masochistic event of a God self-inflicting pain on Himself that rational and loving? Human sacrifice is a an act of love? And letting humans for, in the Bible version, stay tormented for 6 000 years before the Incarnation is what, just? And singing hymns about how retched we are and how right he is to be in Hell for our sins....really? Why the wole repenting stuff? If do not grovel before him he does not forgive me? Strange are the ways of the Lord indeed. I am not in the point of saying Christianity is wrong, ( philosophically I am inclined to Pyrrhonian skepticism so definite beliefs would not be my thing), but their claims seems self contradictory. And when asked about, the answer, yes, but St Paul said, Christ is our wisdom, etc,.. The problem with that is there are thousands of religions in the world, some smaller, some bigger. They all have beliefs, methods, and records of experience. If all people held those same convictions there would not be not even ONE christian because no one would convert. I do not know if you felt this, but I really wish it is true. I spent so much time and energy. And it starting to crumble down. The most painful thing is that i prayed for an answer and mostly silence so far.Why/ there are so many why's and so few answers. Like how could the devil choose to sin. How could a perfect being make that choice to rebel? How could sin appear out of nothing? How could Adam be so naive and listen to the devil and not God? If you want to choose what to eat, do you listen to the the spokesman for MacDonalds or a certified nutritionist? I do not know what and how is Truth with capital T, but a lot of what I thought seems to not have been so.
  19. 1 point
    Greetings everyone! Wanted to introduce myself and my work. I blog and speak to raise awareness about healing from the psychological abuses of religion. I'm working on developing a training manual on healing indoctrination for helping professionals. Before I transitioned out of religion, I was a Pentecostal Christian minister preparing to become a missionary to India. I studied Bible at the Evangelical Christian Wheaton College and obtained my Master of Divinity from Princeton Seminary. Religion was my life’s passion, but I suffered greatly from anxiety, depression, and guilt about my sexuality. I began to realize that the Bible’s teachings were the cause of my psychological distress. After a slow, painful process of awakening and denial, I quit my ministry job, left religion, and moved to California to start my life over. I began to study religion from the perspective of trauma. In my journey, I found healing through secular humanism, meditation, entheogens, and sexuality. I am a clinical psychologist in training at California Institute of Integral Studies. My writings and interviews can be found at http://www.lifeafterdogma.org/. I love to write articles, record podcasts, and work with people to heal from religious abuse. Reach out to me if you're interested in this work. https://lifeafterdogma.org/2018/12/20/is-god-the-devil/ - "Was the Bible Inspired by Dark Spiritual Forces? Why does God demand human sacrifice and spirit possession of his followers? Is God the Devil? " (Spiritual terminology used in this article as a literary device to highlight abuse) Reclaiming Sexuality from Religion Talk:
  20. 1 point
    English can be weird. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though. If the teacher taught, why hasn't the preacher praught? When the stars are out they are visible, but when the lights are out they are invisible. One mouse, two mice. One louse, two lice. One house, two hice? If Tomb is pronounced Toom, and Womb is pronounced Woom, shouldn't Bomb be pronounced Boom? I before E rule has hundreds of exceptions, including Atheist Why don't cough, rough, though and through rhyme, but pony and bologna do? The word Queue has 4 silent letters. Laid is pronounced like paid but not Said. Said is pronounced like bread but not Bead. Bead is pronounced like lead but not lead. An impossible sentence to write: There are three tos/toos/twos in the English language. It makes no sense that minute and minute are spelt the same, and I'm not content with this content. I object to that object but will wind it up and throw it to the wind. Best description I've heard "English beats up other languages in dark alleys, then rifles through their pockets for loose grammar and spare vocabulary"
  21. 1 point
    Shallow indeed. The source of that video claims it happened in Alabama... ... nuff said.
  22. 1 point
    Excellent post. Not saying I agree that abortion is wrong per se, but still. It's very easy to get trapped in binary thinking. The question of abortion should be asked independent of religion, in my opinion.
  23. 1 point
    Hi, Myrkhoos. You have many valid concerns, many of which contributed to many of us concluding that we no longer subscribe to religious teachings. Keep questioning. The truth will set you free.
  24. 1 point
    I think this thread gets to exciting. Let's be boring again. Am eating a tangerine.
  25. 1 point
    God likes to smoke your ass on the train to hell.
  26. 1 point
    Natural selection in action. Well it will be if the smartass who had the idea is removed from the gene pool by the inevitable fatal crash.
  27. 1 point
    No chance in hell of doing that if the parents in question are like mine. You do not date anyone out of the fundie church, let alone another xtian. So yeah.... atheist SO...it goes over well lol. Mind you I've come out about my non belief to my parents and I do my own thing but it's a whole other scenario if you're hitting them with two sledgehammers at once.
  28. 1 point
    Hey mom and dad, I want to introduce you to my live in lover and the man that took my virginity. Well, gotta run now. Love to all. Write soon. Once you get to know him, I'm sure you'll love him too. Bye now! Okay, so maybe not great advice, but definitely effective. I'm sure you'll come up with some better ideas though.
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    It's a bit complicated. I am 22 and totally financially independent. I currently live alone, well in a flatshare. But my mom's recently being diagnosed of something I'd rather not describe, but she will need surgery and bed rest, and she may not be able to take care of herself for a couple of months. I love my family with everything else. Right now they live in a bad house, a house that is not fit for habitation by a disabled person. My two brother still live with my parents, but with my mum not working money will get bad. And she needs a better house for the recovery period. My father is asking me to please unite financial forces with them and take up a bigger and more equipped house. He is working +12h a day and money's still an issue. What he proposes is for all of us to rent a big house, each sibling with their own private space so 4 bedroom house, and split the rent so my mum can have a place suited to her needs. He can't rent this kind of house on his own and I would love to be close to my mum and help taking care of her... But then this forces me to tell them. I don't wanna go live back with them having to hide my SO's existence from them. When he calls, when visits happen, I don't wanna lie, I don't wanna have to sneak around like if I was doing something wrong. But I fear that if I move back in with them, it's gonna be just like when I was a teenager. But at the same time, I want to be there for my mum... so I have to tell them I will move in with them as log as they are okay with my choices and don't retaliate or guilt-trip me or try to break me up from my boyfriend. I dont know
  32. 1 point
    Hey @Axelle, Are you in school? Are your folks financing it? If so then don't tell them and don't move anywhere. School is more important. HOWEVER, if you are on your own then you do not owe them an explanation. Telling them you are moving will go along ways to prevent them from sending out a search party when they don't find you at home. But if they attempt to lay a guilt trip on you just say "That's really nice Mom & Dad but I gotta go now!" If they threaten to cut off communications with you just say "Really? For reals? COOOOOOL!"
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    I believe Ms. Miriam done up and R-U-N-N-O-F-T. She is to busy bragging and laughing with all her Xian friends about the fun game she just played and how much of our time and energy she wasted to return any time soon. If she does return she would have to acknowledge my life story (and others who shared theirs also), which she so quickly and coldly brushed off. So we wont hear from her! I have worked with Xians that played all kinds of games with people and got great glee and fun from doing so. When I said something about it they said such things as "that is Sunday this business" ...
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    I agree with all the above advice. And never blame yourself for other peoples reactions. You are not responsible for others' emotions, that's one thing my therapist reiterated to me over and over. Christianity would have you think you are. Live your life that you want without the "I have to please people" mentality. If your parents don't like it, they will get over it. If they don't get over it, it's their problem.
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    I completely understand your reasoning. I think it’s a gut feeling that you get after having seen it time and time again. I converted my sister, wife, brother in law, sister in law, several friends, and led family members “back to the lord” using highly manipulative tactics myself. I’m talking about personal conversions where I led them to the lord right then and there or later as a direct result of my emotionally manipulative tactics (ie the holy spirit). Now that I’m out, the tactic she employed was painfully obvious to see from the outset. Things that gives it away 1. The false happy-go-lucky routine. ‘Oh don’t mind me just here to learn and ask a few questions.’ Lol. Bull shit meter tipped all the way to the red. 2. Playing the victim. You can read it over and over in her comments. Especially when she names those who were critical and praises those who were “nice and cordial” to her. It sets the tone for all those commenting further to handle her with kid gloves. ‘See how nice this person was to me and how awful and hostile this person was?’ It sets the tone. (She also claimed to not have money to afford a book. Jesus.) 3. They give themselves away in their speech. ‘I’m not here to evangelize or anything.’ As if that needed to be said. The only reason she said it was to take away suspicions so that you let your guard down. Oh honey I won’t hurt you I’m only here to learn and listen . I could go on but it’s a wonderful tactic to disarm those who fall prey to it. Scary. To think I’ve disrupted and hurt so many lives truly bothers me. So I see the tactic and truly hate it.
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    Well I haven't been here long enough to have interacted with a lot of xtians and their evangelising on this site (and I never tried it while xtian) so I like to give them the benefit of the doubt simply because some of them may have genuine questions, but when @Citsonga posted his 48 or so page letter in the other discussion where we all opened up to her and she replied "oh I'll read it some day when I have time," she made it plain as day she was here to score some points and that's it.
  37. 1 point
    When someone claims a major love affair with the Jesus, they are here to evangelize. And when they disappear after we lob our anti-Christian stuff at them, they weren't really here to learn something from us but to win back souls.
  38. 1 point
    Facts. To come on an ex-Christian forum armed with a covert attempt to evangelize; narcissism in its purest form. I’ve seen this somewhere before I know I have. Oh wait, that’s right I’ve done it myself a time or two. Game recognizes game.
  39. 1 point
    As soon as I read the "I'm not trying to convert anyone" line, my BS detector went off. Miriam subsequently outed herself quite thoroughly. Just another Liar4Christ.
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    Yesterday, I saw a "Smoking Area" sign in a train station. Someone had scribbled "God was here" on one side. So I guess God is a smoker and likes to take the train. I wonder whether he ever buys a ticket or rather dodges the fare.
  41. 1 point
    “Be patient in suffering” tick tock tick tock..one year..two years... thrifty years of sexual abuse etc. Still. Be patient! This fucked me up
  42. 1 point
    If Christianity is true, quite frankly, it is beyond me to understand it. I was just listening to a debate involving Laurence Krauss and two proponets of intelligent design. One of the debaters advocating ID stated he was and evangelical, who believed the Bible was the word of God, and he finds the evidence for evolution overwhelming. I am perplexed how this man is able to hold so much conflicting information in his head at any one time. How can he say he believes the Bible, but definitely does not think Genesis creation accounts are literally true, but then evaluates other parts of the Bible as literally true. Exactly what method does he employ to know when to take the Bible literally, when to take it figuratively, and when it just becomes a divine mystery. In my experience, talking to people in the church is like taking a survey of the mentally insane. People believe all kinds of whacky ideas that sound like the ravings of a mad man. My reason for mentioning this is that the church, viewed holistically, cannot even agree on what Christianity even is. No two believers believe the same thing. There is no agreement on the "essentials" from one church to another. Before I could even question whether or not I find the claims of Christianity good enough, I would have to know what Christianity even is. Most popular answer you hear is "a personal relationship with God." I have no idea where that rabbit comes from, because nowhere in the NT does that little piece of theological magic make itself apparent. And let's be frank, a personal relationship with God is not what people believe to be the bottom line, the dogma takes precedence. Then we are back to square one, what is the dogma of Christianity? Nobody can agree, just have a heart to heart relationship with God......YAY!!!
  43. 1 point
    I have no need to come up with any criteria because: 1. An omniscient god would know what it would take to make itself known to me. 2. An omnipotent god would be able to do that which would make itself known to me. The ball is in god's court and mine is wide open.
  44. 1 point
    "What would it take for you to believe?" Sound like "What would it take to get you to drive this car home today?" Apologies to any car salespersons out there.
  45. 1 point
    I usually say Happy Holidays if I don't know someone's religion. If they greet me first I usually reply with the same greeting, including Merry Christmas. As others have said, the only time I get upset is when I say Happy Holidays and get a angry Merry Christmas in return.
  46. 1 point
    I was taught that above all, one must fear and love god. How can you do both of those? You can't.
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    https://www.faithwire.com/2018/11/27/megachurch-pastor-warns-of-yogas-demonic-roots/ Yoga, meditation and anything that reveals the inconvenient truth that you don’t need Jesus or any god-belief to have a good life: these are all going to be attacked. If I were a pastor I’d be worried about yoga too.
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    Yoga opens up your wallet to demonic influences...influences that will decrease funding of my megachurch. I bet there is a Christianized yoga practice out there that is Satan-free. OMG, look at this: http://www.christianspracticingyoga.com/
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    It really has been fascinating once I got past the shock of it lol. Ole El and his pantheon kinda did the whole bible in for me. So I guess in a way the God of Christ did open my eyes lol.

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