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    It's not. Been there. Rejected that. (both) It is puzzling, @Geezer, how xtians flat-out reject Mormonism but remain steadfast to their own crazy-ass beliefs. I had to set Mrs. MOHO straight last week on the fact that Mormons believe in the same Bible as xitans - they just have another book that refutes, confuses, contradicts (yeah..I know), overrules, and generally relegates both the old and new testicles to also-ran status. Fundies: "Mormons can't be God!" "Only Jesus can be God!" MOHO: "How can Jesus be God?" Fundies: "Because he's God's son!" MOHO: "So are we...according to the Mormon doctrine." Fundies: "Mormon doctrine is made up!" MOHO: "And xiantiy is..." Fundies: "Stop it!" "Shut up!" "It's in the Bible!" "Read the Bible!" "Get behind me, Satan!" Of course, with Mrs. MOHO, serious nastiness and general hate ensues. I'm sure this is fueled by fear and I told her as much in our last convo.
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    I suppose that since Christianity is older it seems more "trustworthy." IDK, all revealed religions are without a rational leg to stand on.
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    Mormonism vs. Christianity - The Differences Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) was birthed in 1820 by a vision in which two celestial personages appeared to Joseph Smith claiming all existing churches were wrong, all their creeds were an abomination, and all their professors were corrupt. According to these personages, Smith had been chosen to restore—not reform—a church that had disappeared from the face of the earth. The Mormon doctrines that evolved from this vision compromise confuse or contradict the nature of God, the authority of Scripture and the way of salvation. Mormonism vs. Christianity - View of God First, while Christians believe that God is spirit, Joseph Smith taught, “God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” Mormonism also holds to a plurality of Gods and contends that “as man is God once was; as God is man may become.” Additionally, the Latter-day Saints compromise the nature of the God-man, Jesus Christ. In Christianity, Jesus is the self-existent creator of all things. In Mormonism, he is the spirit brother of Lucifer who was conceived in heaven by a celestial Mother and came in flesh as the result of the Father having sex with the Virgin Mary. Mormonism vs. Christianity - Revelation Furthermore, in sharp distinction to orthodox Christian theology, Mormons do not believe that the Bible is the infallible repository for redemptive revelation. In their view, the Book of Mormon is “the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion.” Two further revelations complete the Mormon quad, namely Doctrines and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. Doctrines and Covenants is a compilation of divine revelations that includes the doctrine of polygamy. Not until threatened by the federal government did Mormon president Wilford Woodruff receive a revelation relegating polygamy to the afterlife. The Pearl of Great Price is no less troubling. It was this extra-biblical revelation that was used by Mormonism to prevent African Americans from entering the priesthood and from being exalted to godhood. Mormonism vs. Christianity - Heaven Finally, while Christians believe that they will stand before God dressed in the spotless robes of Christ’s righteousness, Mormons contend that they will appear before heavenly Father dressed in fig-leaf aprons holding good works in their hands. According to the Latter-day Saints, virtually everyone qualifies for heaven. Murderers, unrepentant whoremongers and the world’s vilest people make it into the Telestial heaven; lukewarm Mormons, religious people, and those who accept the Mormon gospel in the spirit world typically enter the Terrestrial heaven; and temple Mormons make it to the Celestial heaven. Only those who are sealed in secret temple rituals, however, will make it to the third level of the Celestial kingdom, become God’s of their own planets. That the following beliefs of Christianity have been brought down through the ages as follows:The Bible is the only inspired, infallible, and authoritative written Word of God, penned by man with the leading of the Holy Spirit.There is one God, eternally existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.Christians believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, in His personal, future return to this earth in power and glory to rule a thousand years.The blessed hope in the rapture of the Church at Christ's coming. The Church is all who believe in Jesus as their Savior.The only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in the precious blood of Christ. Good works alone will not get you into heaven, although good works should follow those who believe.We believe in water baptism by immersion. This is a public display of the authenticity of your repentance.Spiritual healing and deliverance comes by the redemptive work of Christ on the cross. Isaiah 53:5b says, "By His wounds we are healed."The baptism of the Holy Spirit is given to all believers at the moment of salvation. God desires us to have a personal relationship with Him and through His Holy Spirit, we communicate with Him.Christians believe in the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit's indwelling. The Christian can live a holy life.The beliefs of Christianity state the resurrection of the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting damnation. Then Jesus will establish His eternal kingdom.
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    Hello, Well, I really do not know what and how I am experiencing stuff right now, what conversion means, what anything means really. For me, I feel, right now, fear of asking questions about established things. Even now I feel fear about conflict of ideas in every part of my life, like when I see something it i disagree with it is like a part of me, the flight or fight or trauma stuff comes and it is like, play nice or play dead, and GTFO. Was severly beaten down and threatened and shamed when I observed certain things - like the problem of hell, for example. So an overwhelming fear/rage/confusion about authority in general. The whole who rejects a priest rejects God, if you get out the demons will get you, etc. As for support, reading and researching about psychology in general, and psychology of brainwashing, indoctrination, early attachment, etc. And therapy, some sorts. Just figuring out what happened. Like, there is still this question for me. Is this religion really true? Actually, what I mean by this question is that, I feel that it is one of those cases of unverifiable claims. Basically, the root of my issue is that you begin with the idea that God is beyond your understanding. When you begin like this and do not nuance it, basically anything goes. Why he does or does not do certain things, why that, why that, basically the why just goes flying out. Because everything we experience is, in a certain way, depending on how you declare knowledge, at least part in our understanding/experience. After this, you can say anything, Jesus rose from the grave, or he didn t, universal salvation or universal damnation, etc.. The problem is, of course, if he is out of our understanding, then nobody can say anything so any Church or organisation is basically bullshit. But it isn t because, as I said, God is said to beyond our understanding, so some people can understand him and talk to others about him. Every contradiction goes. People can say they see angels, demons, saints, whatever, anything at all. For me the main problem with most Christianity is its obvious self contradictory nature. At least this it how it seems to me. I do not want to assume a fixed position, like ok, lifelong atheist or buddhist or agnostic. I like what Bart Ehrman once said, about not knowing what will happen, or if he will come back to Christianity. I am trying, now, to take a investigative, open stance as much as I can. I am still in that state of a volcano explosion destroyed my house and I am like - What just happened? A bit overwhelmed. The image of God I was presented with, I do not want his blessings at all. I mean, I was told that trial and tribulations are the sign of God s goodness upon a person, of him being specifically chosen for great things. I even was so afraid of praying because if this was God s sign of mercy, that he punishes somebody here and not in the afterlife..well then...
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    Welcome former pk and congratulations on finding your way out. You will see there is so much variety in the way and extent that christianity has become intertwined in the individuals psyche that the possibilities are endless. Then add to this the many possible peripheral complications and in many cases potential for collateral damage that a deconversion or the outward acknowlegment of a deconversion might cause and it's easy to see how at least certain effects can last a lifetime. I think the most important thing each of us bring to the discussion is our unique perspective based on exactly what our experience was. So if you see something that is submitted that you can relate to particularily well then that is where your comments are most likely to make a difference in that person's life. This site has a huge archive of stories submitted by people in every stage of deconversion that I'm sure will be of great interest to you and provide so many unique answers to the questions you ask. I am currious as to why you feel the 6 years you spent in your own deconversion process was excessive. Christianity has so many subtle ways of planting blockades in the minds of believers that stop them from asking the bigger really difficult questions. What do you think could have happened to shorten that process for you? Anyhow I believe you are already well qualified to provide unique helpful welcome comments to those who stop by here looking for help or encouragement in their questioning or deconversion process. Glad to have you with us and I look forward to reading your future comments.
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    Welcome, @formerpk_biblebelt. Glad you found us and congrats on thinking your way out of the mind-control! Getting over the fear of Hell. This took time and realizing that the is a man-made concept. Gagging when people say "God Bless you" "Praise God" (this one is still in progress and Mrs. MOHO uses those phrases regularly.) Journey Free website and Dr. Marlene Winell's book Leaving the Fold. Other books by Hitchens, Carrier, Dawkins, Ehrman, and Fitzgerald. This web site and the myriad of helpful, caring folks I have "met" here. - MOHO (Mind Of His Own)
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