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  1. Remember the story where Paul started a fight between the Pharisees and Sadducees? It's in Acts 23. He used the fact that the Sadducees didn't believe in a resurrection to get them into an argument and get himself out of a jam. There are a number of passages in the Gospels and in Acts that make it clear that the Sadducees didn't believe in any sort of afterlife. It's presented as strange, and just plain wrong, but why? Because by the time of the NT most Jews did believe in such things. So why not the Sadducees? The answer is simple: It was unscriptural! Christians today look at the
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  2. I'll be sticking around this time for sure. Guess I had to find out the hard way that it's not a quick process. I will definitely be contacting them. Looks like they also have some group meetups which sounds great to me. The closest one is about 80 miles from me, but it's probably worth the drive. Thank you. I will be keeping in touch, and I'm really glad to have this place. The people around me are generally supportive, but it doesn't seem like they understand exactly where I'm coming from, so groups like this are very important to me. T
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  3. Hi cb1500. I'm sorry you've been having such a rough time. Although I've experienced deconversion of course, as we all have here, I've never suffered from anxiety as some others have. I'm just not prone to anxiety, whether it's Nature or Nurture or whatever, but I know it's very real for a lot of people. I see where you were only very briefly active here at Ex-C, three years ago, and then disappeared. Of course nobody is under any obligation to stick around, but I think it is important for many. Deconversion experiences are as varied as the people who have them, but one t
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  4. And let this be an example to viewers of this site as to why so many of us left religion. It gave us a false hope. If that works for you - so be it. For those who would rather confront reality, either by choice or because reality is thrust upon all of us, kudos!
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  5. The death of a child is always horribly tragic. I pity the parents, but this delusional "false hope" is something that raises my ire. I wish that they would stop this idiocy and get on with the natural grieving process.
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  6. Redding... I was there when the preacher I promoted (David Hogan) preached about raising the dead and how he'd seen it 21 times, plus every part of the body healed or replaced. Charismatics eat that shit UP because it seems to validate their frustrating relationship with their powerless invisible friend who controls the universe. We did the same thing in Portland's largest church (City Bible) when a beloved underling pastor died. I think it was 48 hours of prayer and fasting in the presence of the body. I brought handkerchiefs that had been prayed over by Hogan and his men, and tha
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  7. Why would Jebus care to know when I scratch my balls next? A lot of wasted knowledge, imo.
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  8. I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning here. I think I stated earlier that it's not an assumption, but a logical conclusion. The assumptions are: God exists, God is all knowing, and God gave humans free will. We are also assuming Omnipotence. All these are unproven assumptions, and unprovable that is true. That does not prevent us applying logic to these assumptions are reaching the conclusion that the God as described, and free will are logically contradictory. One can imagine a God that knows everything but cannot cause anything, and another God that is omnipotent
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  9. You could contact Recovering from Religion. I understand they have trained professionals to deal with exactly what you are going through. Probably better than a doctor or just general secular therapist because they are specifically trained for dealing with religious trauma. They've got live chat function, ability to phone call etc. It probably should have been my first suggestion in hindsight - I know about these guys, don't know why I didn't immediately recommend it. But I am now - give these folks a call or contact them via website. https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/ (phone
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  10. Bart Ehrman thinks he was a person who got mythologized; Richard Carrier thinks he was a myth entirely. It doesn't really matter because either way it ends up myth. You can find some youtube videos that explain it, but I don't think it's worth worrying about any more than stressing about whether Zeus is mad you didn't sacrifice to him this week.
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  11. I know you feel drawn to it, but you must stop exposing yourself to their lies and brainwashing. First, why not try to prove to yourself that a god actually exists. Is that god the Bible god? Did he create a hell for his creation? Do you know the Jews don't believe in hell and neither do some Christians? Forget the apologist "arguments." Do they have any actual evidence or just certain Bible verses and Christian authors/preachers to prove their point? No, they do not.
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  12. A VERY GOOD POINT! Children tend to bring out the engrained values, and can change the game plan.
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  13. Having been near a volcano and sulfur springs, I can vouch for this. It would scare the crap out of me if I didn't know what it was all about. How else would you explain it 2000 years ago? Many other things that were ascribed to gods have been proven to be natural events with specific, measurable causes including the wind, rain and thunder. What would they have thought if you could go back in time and fly over them in a helicopter? Quit reading that bullshit. And if you get too stressed before your local counselor appointment, call this national help li
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  14. I Highly doubt that you blasphemed God. Some Christians think that saying "God Damn" "holy shit" or "Jesus fucking Christ" are ways to blaspheme God or "the holy ghost". Others say that blaspheming the Holy Ghost is denying the call of the Holy Ghost for Salvation. I started researching this subject when I was christian looking up key words in the strongs Hebrew/greek dictionary. In the old testament it is worded that "Thou shalt not take the Lords name in vain and that anyone who Takes the Lords name in vain will not be held guiltless." If you look up the words Take and Vain, Take means to li
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  15. Fear of hell is one of the biggest hurdles. I would encourage you, as you've already stated you will, to seek professional help as we are not trained professionals. What we can do is try and answer questions you may have about hell... which actually sounds to me an extraordinary concept because I don't believe hell exists. So I'm literally answering questions about an imagined bad place. And I think that's a key - once you realise hell is imaginary and doesn't exist, the fear of it should subside. There is another great video by another person about the history of how t
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  16. It is all nonsense. Watch this: (I made it, yes it needs updating and I can do better, but it gets the point across hopefully)
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  17. Interesting! You've reminded me of something that has not been with me for over 50 years of happy marriage. But I do distinctly remember travelling on a train with my girlfriend (who bacame my wife) and I quizzed her about whether she was a Christian. I was a fundamentalist and she was fully involved in a more liberal church. Of course, I now think "What an awful cheek, she should have dumped me straightaway". I'm so glad she didn't. The 'confrontation' was not a problem in reality. I only tell this story to add to the point that young people who are 'very Christian' (and who are not open-mind
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  18. The fact that she is “very Christian” concerns me. I think my perspective as a member of the Unequally Yoked club may be helpful.... I often attend Catholic Mass with my wife. We were both raised Catholic but both ended up in the Church of Christ, where we met. While I was in the process of deconverting, my wife wanted to start going to a Catholic Church again. This works much better for me as a non-believer. The mass is very ritualized and doesn’t include personal witnessing or other hallmarks of fundamentalist churches. We go in, go through the Mass, then leave. I enjoy the
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  19. I’d say leave it alone too. If they are open to questioning Christianity in any way, knowing that you no longer go to church may lead them to ask you questions of their own accord. If they are not, they likely won’t, and might even resent you bringing it up. But most likely they aren’t open to questioning so they’ll either not bring it up or they’ll try to bring you back to the Lord. Best thing you could do, in my opinion, would be to bear silent witness that you are good and contented without religion.
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