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  1. Only when they are interested in wanting to know answers. Remember how we were 'open' to wanting to question the bible when we arrived here at Ex-c? If they are not open, you will get defensive answers as to why they are right. I was one of them many years ago. I would not listen. So I feel that it is a waste of time. Most people have to be ready to hear these truths about the bible. I would think that millions of people have their doubts (the same as I did) but do not want to face the truth. As we all know, finding out the truth can be devastating. Losing faith is the single most hard thing
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  2. Try thinking in logical terms when the issue on your mind is hell. The Christian viewpoint is that one sin requires a person to burn in hell for eternity. But the Savior, Jesus, came as a means of redemption so each person who believes in him and repents of sin will escape hell and go to heaven because belief in Jesus garners forgiveness of sin. Begin with that. So a person born in the Amazon jungle and who never heard of Jesus and thus could not profess belief in him must go to hell because of the circumstances of his or her birth? Does that make sense? Of course it doesn’t.
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  3. I got into deep doubt about christianity or the version I was served because of Hell. The God image of my church seems like a manipulating narcissist , a projection of a ruthless psychopathic tribal chieftain to me. If there such a reality or being as God I refuse to thing he is a cosmic bully hell bent on power in that way.
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  4. My first answer would be “never”. I can barely control my own thought patterns let alone the thought patterns of others. However I have recently discovered Anthony Magnabosco, who is able to have respectful conversations with Christians, gently questioning how they arrived at their beliefs.
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  5. No magic book got me to the point of understanding the process. It was my cognitive processes, examining my life experiences, those of others, and the response patterns of these folks; bouncing the responses off of fact and reality, and reprocessing it all over again. It was exhausting. But, I got "there" after a few years. Now, my mind is very much at peace with it all.
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  6. I am not immediately aware of books or links, and this may be an oversimplification, but here is my take on the programming. Most of us were born into a "faith". Both sides of my family were believers, so I got a full dose of it. But it wasn't as extreme as trying to raise people from the dead. From an early age the beliefs were viewed as fact, or reality. And if nothing happens to conflict that, it remains a reality. That is your "world." That is why cults like to isolate their members, especially the children, and censor their education. That even happens on a grand scale in some so
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  7. Hello. I posted here a few times about 3 years ago, but I'm relapsing. At the time, I was having some major anxiety issues being caused by leftover fears from religion. After a while, I was able to put the fears out of my mind and live normally, and I was fine until last week. The doubts and fear of hell came back worse than ever, and I've been thinking about it constantly. I am absolutely terrified, and I don't know if I l'll be able to overcome this. Words can't really describe how bad the panic is, and I've been having thoughts of suicide. This all started years ago becau
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  8. I am so glad to see that ExC is still here engaging in its very important mission. I see a lot of familiar names and a good number of new members. I am glad. I first came here in 2009 and received an incredible amount of help in my deconversion (is that term still used here?). I found this place to be a very welcoming community and I am sure it still is. Untold thousands have been helped by webmdave’s website/forums, assisted by the capable moderators and caring members. if anyone is interested, you can find some of my old postings buried somewhere here. But one th
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  9. Hi Justus, happy new year. Haven't seen you for a bit. Isn't it Christ that said all things are possible? Seems that it's a doctrine of Christ: Matthew 19:26 New International Version (NIV) 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” So Jesus himself forgot to ask himself if he could in fact do all things. Apparently he cannot because in another bible verse it says God cannot lie. It is perhaps more accurate to state that god can do all things that god can do. But then it becomes a t
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  10. Just got mentioned by a particularly fanatical friend of mine on FB in a street preaching thread. I guess Jesus still hasn't told him I've rejected the gospel nearly 13 years ago and am "worse than an unbeliever". I haven't told him either because I can predict the behavioral response.
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  11. I can remember the first conversation I had that made me question my faith. I didn’t reject the religion instantly of course, but it got the ball rolling. I’m very thankful for that because I’m not wasting my life anymore. If you had close friends and family literally throwing their lives away for a lie, wouldn’t you want to do something? I’m mostly thinking of my brother who’s a missionary in the Middle East and has seen Christians targeting in bombings multiple times. I also have a close friend who’s a missionary in China and has to use code words and stuff to let us know he’s okay.
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  12. Wow. Thanks for explaining that so well. This is exactly what happened within my ex-husband’s family. The abuse was blocked out of conscious thinking. And the fear-based upbringing about the gates of hell prevented them from ever questioning their beliefs/authority. The indoctrination stops with my kids. I had to cut all ties with that side of the family. What a f#*king relief.
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  13. I'm gonna start calling myself an intellectual agnostic now. Granted, that subreddit isn't a good representation, but would you say that someone who does understand the issues and is intellectually atheist could never become a theist? I'm not that buying that idea. Consciousness may be the 'all that is' from an Eastern point of view, but that doesn't mean it is all-powerful, no. I think that's what you're getting at and I agree. When I get to considering the universe, us and everything else as being indivisible, then the idea of God and no God, theism and atheis
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  14. Good to meet you, LF. Good name, it says a lot. So many Christians don’t even realize their logical fallacies. What I like is that your name lays it to them direct and hard core. Great job!
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  15. Now, that is what I wanted to hear! The apologists must be defeated for the sake of the newly deconverted. Great job. I am proud of you and the rest who insist that the truth be known.
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  16. I just want to comment on this. I read through the first page. Granted, atheist's should not be repeating the christian mantra of, "you were never really a christian." By saying, "you were never really an atheist," to ex-atheists, or simply atheist's who converted to christianity or some other religious belief. That's a good point. If these people used to lack god belief for any reason at all, they were atheists. They didn't have to be smart or understand all of the issues, they just had to lack in positive belief in the existence of gods. But as I read through the posts, I see th
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  17. https://www.reddit.com/r/exatheist/
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  18. It's disheartening to see attacks on science from intelligent, educated people. It helps to open the door to conspiracy theories (anti-vax, flat earth, global warming, safety of tobacco, etc.) by painting with such a broad brush. Of course there are pet scientific hypotheses and the need for funding. Ancel Keys was able to embed his flawed data on cholesterol into mainstream thinking and the sugar and grain industries were allowed to create the food pyramid that sparked an epidemic of obesity and diabetes. Not perfect, as with any human endeavor. Still, comparing science to religion is not onl
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  19. Go ahead and tell them you quit and then they suddenly, somehow, knew all along. mwc
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  20. Great video. I find it interesting that the non white races are the ones holding the numbers. The video also mentioned something that I think keeps people in the church. That being getting to know others who are not believers. There are times when people join a church just to have some social life and to feel a part of something. I remember getting a job transfer to a small town where all the people were a member of one church or another. I got invited to more church services than I ever had. Eventually, I joined a church just so I could have a social life. I ever dated a minister
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  21. I had lost count of the number of times people told me that God told them that I was going to be a powerful preacher, after I had already lost my faith.
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  22. I haven't filled out a form in decades that ask for religion. Is Humanism a choice? That comes the closest to describing what I believe.
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  23. Who cares? Why should we concern ourselves with what Christians think? I believe what I believe. No one other than me has license to say what exactly it is that I think. My expressed opinions, beliefs, etcetera, are open for criticism. Absolutely. But I will not have people telling me what I think, and then attacking their idea of what I think. That's just silly. These people aren't worth the time it takes to tell them to shut up.
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  24. I tire of the "something from nothing" argument. How does anyone know that a state of "nothing" has occurred? The evidence before us strongly suggests there always has be "something". So the state of "nothing" is not provable. It has to been assumed. We should not allow it to be thrown out on the table as an obvious fact.
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  25. You know the word goes back to 450 BC? If vast members of the population were claiming Santa Claus is real we would be aSantaists. It's simply because the vast majority of people believe in God's that the distinction is drawn.
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  26. And I wonder why any form to be filled out would ask for religious preference anyway. Outside of a funeral home, whose business is it, anyway?
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  27. This is the reason that I self-identify as non-theist - which means I do not believe in a god but want to respect those who have created their gods from within their imaginations and who find them helpful. This morning I had to provide an answer to a person who had a tick box for 'religion'- she had none for non-theist, so I explained what it means, how important it is to me and agreed that she put me down as atheist (no-one else will see it and I'd rather it went into her statistical analysis as 'atheist' than anything else).
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  28. Understandable, but I prefer to be openly atheist so that people are exposed to real people living good lives. Just being in contact with someone who is happy, doesn't swear, doesn't drink, has a nice happy family and a good job is often a clash with the image that preachers try to claim. I also like to answer surveys and census forms as atheist rather than jedi, non-religious or other, cos it gives a better indication of the actual size of atheism. To many religious those other terms just mean non-denominational, or a believer but not belonging to a certain church. At least atheist make
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  29. "You atheists have the ridiculous view that everything just sprang into existence from nothing!" "oh? What do you believe?" "That everything sprang into existence from nothing!" "Isn't that the same?" "No! Cos god dun did it!"
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  30. I had this in mind when I was debating with Luth-ifer. I knew which direction he'd take. So I made sure to voice early on that christians don't know how the universe came about, they only have this creation myth in Genesis, which, is myth and doesn't disclose anything about the actual origins of the universe. His move was to point at me and claim that I don't know. To which I happy admitted and then hammered home the fact that no one knows, and that's the point! Not science, not religions, not anything. It's an ongoing mystery which neither science nor religion has "solved" or made "known."
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  31. And what Wertbag writes is the reason I avoid saying I am an "atheist." I prefer to say I don't believe, or that I'm not religious. As I've written on this site before, the term "atheist" is often used as a pejorative by Christians and I don't want to give them an opening for inaccurate claims about my world view.
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  32. They have caricatures of atheists as we have caricatures of them. The difference is, and I can't stress this enough, as Ex-Christians we used to be in their shoes but they were never in ours. It follows that we likely understand them better than they understand us.
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  33. Hey cb1500, no need to be alarmed. As real as it may seem at times, it's folklore, mythology, fairy tales of old, etc., etc. What if Thor is real? What if Kali is real? I'm sure you think it's extremely likely that they are not. But it's just as unlikely that YHWH is real, or hell is real for that matter. These are just as equally unlikely as another. Why would any of it be real? Why don't you try, for the sake of argument, to demonstrate all of the evidence you have for the reality of hell, or god for that matter. And see how we respond to it. How we counter the apologist's and t
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