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  1. It does happen, so you cannot beat yourself up too much. I do not know if it will be the same for you, but a big part of me deconverting was re-orientating myself to think differently. That does not mean I became a super skeptic and simply dismiss everything out of hand, but I did have a change in paradigm where I am only willing to exert belief, or rather, mentally commit to something probably being true if there is sufficient evidence to support it. If there is not sufficient evidence, then I do not think it warrants belief. I will give you a recent example: I kept seeing posts,
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  2. Read the Bible It was my experience that reading the four gospels in one sitting back to back to back to back is what started me down the path of deconversion. They don't mesh well, John especially. Also, go back and look at how different god is portrayed in the Old Testament v. the New. An unchanging god sure did have a change of heart. Throw down the gauntlet and force the biblical records to accord with themselves and count the number of times it requires special pleading, incredible out of context interpretations, and ask why a perfect book for salvation
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  3. Hey everyone, Well I like to check in from time to time. I really should be more active but I do good to keep up with my ever changing life the past couple of years. This ones gonna be a bit of a bummer. As you all know Lady Bishop and I have had a rocky road of things, especially after I deconverted. The past two years we have dealt with major illness, deaths in the family, and of course covid 19 like everyone else. We are officially filing for divorce. Its not all because of our religious differences but its probably one of the biggest issues in recent years. It set us apart on a
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  4. An actual god would need nothing. Superstition and science, who would've thunk it?
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  5. I've come to believe that a lifetime monogamous relationship is an unrealistic expectation for most humans - yet Christianity (and other religions) demand it. That dictate may have served its purpose at some point in our history, but it creates anguish now for a lot of people who still aspire to it. I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to derail things. Good for you for taking a healthy step towards a happier future. I wish I was as brave!
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  6. Hey DB, glad you checked in. Hard to believe it’s been four years almost since you introduced yourself here. If I recall, your deconversion started when you looked into the historic basis for the Exodus and found it to be seriously lacking. I know that was just the start of a lot of reading and learning that led you out of Christianity and placed your deconversion on a very firm footing. The kind of firm footing that leads you to say that in spite of the pain and heartache that have been involved, you would not want to go back. I trust you will be able to say at some point that you gained
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  7. You should look into Hierophants book suggestion. This is a good learning experience, whatever the case. So you sort of believed or entertained a false prediction. So what? It happens. In the process you learned something about critical thinking. Which can apply to all aspects of life from religious, to political, philosophical, and scientific. His advise is very good. Start with evaluating the evidence. You've been burned before, that should make you more keen on not being burned again. The only thing I can add is to also use caution and not turn into a "pseudo-skept
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  8. DB, I'm sure you remember my nightmare divorce followed by a nightmare engagement the following year. It's hard to see out from the pit of despair. But I was right around the corner from something better that works well and makes more sense. I would suggest that going forward you try and put the time into finding someone who has at least similar views to yourself. Open to agnosticism. Open to pantheism. Understanding the problems with organized religion. The most ideal ex christian situation, actually, are two people who are ex christians and completely understand one another's lif
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  9. Just do it. Not necessarily stop caring about your parents but definitely let go of the political climate. Focus on your life and making it what you want it to be. Get that better job. Get your own place. For the next two years politics has been decided. No use dwelling on it. And this is coming from a trump supporter. At least I was until he lost the election. After that I wasn't pleased. Since I no longer embrace the teachings of the Bible. As an American I embrace the constitution. You and your parents have a right to your political beliefs, values, and affiliations. Let those
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  10. well there goes to show that the simpsons are full of shit
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  11. Are you sure that offered is the right word? I need some help understanding how a rigged game contains a valid offer. Another appropriate term for a rigged game is a trick; less charitably, fraud. You should care greatly if your god has created a rigged game. These types of schemes are by design unjust. We are unsuspecting, unwitting, and unwilling participants in a game where the actual, unchanging outcome was known ahead of time and the one who set it in motion received no input from those it affects - us.
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  12. If god has a plan, and everything happens according to his plan, then it is not possible for humans to have free will.
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  13. Boy, do I relate to this statement. Its kind of like being an evangelical atheist, though. I still engage with my brainwashed mother once in awhile, who has unfortunately influenced my kids. Unlike you, I have never been brave enough to label myself as the "A word" - with her. I did it for the first time at work and it felt like I was "coming out," a bit awkward. The responses have been anything from indifferent to incredulous. In any case, its my belief that being a good and kind human, living a joyful, confident life grateful for what we have, as well as maintaining a state of equanimi
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  14. Not in the physical brain...therefore Jesus Christ.
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  15. Eigentell you missed my point about science being about repeatable statistics, and not about cosmic purpose, design, or morals
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  16. Sorry Joe, but you're wrong. In science proofs are only used in mathematics. None of the other branches of science employ proofs. That's why physicists use a level of confidence in an experiment by declaring that it is 3 sigma, 4 sigma or 5 sigma. https://www.zmescience.com/science/what-5-sigma-means-0423423/ If an experiment could result in a proof then scientists wouldn't need to use the sigma system of levels of confidence. So, you're mistaken about the double slit experiment. It's not a scientific proof o
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  17. Oh, no. Is this a thread where people come to wildly inaccurate conclusions about quantum mechanics because they don't understand any of it? I always find it funny when people discuss wave functions and Schroedinger's equation like it's some mystical symbol in the sky, rather than any discussion of finding eigenfunction solutions to a given Hamiltonian. Pointing to a science you don't understand/comprehend to explain a religious belief that is incomprehensible/incoherent has got to be a mutation of the "god of the gaps" argument. Scientific theories are about repeatable
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  18. No. The first step is, or should be, figuring out what to believe in so that you don't believe in the wrong shit and end up in hell anyway. Pay attention, son.
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  19. And yet you know all about judgment day and the rest of it. You speak for god. You tell us what he wants. But when the questions get too hard, you cop out with this "oh, I don't know god's plan" bullshit. You are better off genuinely admitting that you really don't know and start learning from there than pretending to know the parts you think you can explain and ignoring the parts that are uncomfortable, confusing, or simply illogical. The Truth is, you don't know anything; you just believe really hard because that's what brings you peace and helps you sleep at night.
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  20. No need to leave. Probably most of us here understand and have similar feelings, perhaps not as strong. Just stay away from discussing politics. Consider that anger is sometimes called a secondary emotion. There is usually deep fear and/or sadness underlying it, but we have been conditioned to express it as anger. If your anger is putting yourself or others in danger, discuss it with your doctor or a mental health professional. Best wishes!
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  21. Robert, you say love thy neighbor ethic is necessary, but not sufficient for the salvation of the World. I argue that love neighbor as self covers it all. That is why I think the "commandment" is so profound. It is concern for the wellbeing of everyone in the world, including yourself. To me it implies that we should be interested in researching whatever is in the best interest of mankind. That includes studying how to take care of our environment (the world), as well as how to raise our kids to be healthy, respectful and productive adults, and looking at healthy economic poli
    1 point
  22. Being an overly optimistic person, I am content to say that in time we, as a species, will move away from religion as currently understood with a top-down deity that has strange obsessions with how people act and dress that (as far as we can tell) have no bearing on the well-being of either the individual or society. As @Joshpantera mentioned, this is not a given as we could easily destroy ourselves, the planet, or regress into another dark age, but the unmistakable trend throughout our time as a species has been one of increasing acceptance of what constitutes "us" versus them and religion's
    1 point
  23. Please pick a topic and challenge me on it.
    1 point
  24. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
    1 point
  25. Greed, ego and pride ain't too cool, but lust when acted upon can be super cool. Take it from me.
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  26. Welcome aboard, joe. Given your... familiarity... with science, I assume you understand the concepts of evidence and burden of proof. You'll need that here. Enjoy your stay.
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  27. Thanks Josh for drawing my attention to this thread. As we have discussed, the four function of myth proposed by Joseph Campbell – awe, reason, ritual and education – are enduring factors in human existence. My view is that these functions make religion necessary for healthy societies, but religion will evolve to become compatible with the scientific world view, and will remain an important enduring feature of social organisation as a way to convey our highest values. That means the idea of God will become more like Santa Claus, a nice story for children which everyone with a m
    1 point
  28. This may not be what you want to hear, but the problem I see here is your inability to accept that some people have views you strongly disapprove of. It’s one thing to be upset by the views of family members, but these are total strangers you are getting enraged at. This is not healthy, it’s corrosive to your well-being and you risk somebody punching your lights out, or running you off the road, in response to your outbursts. There are 7 billion people on this planet and many millions of them hold views that I hate. But it’s both Not My Job to change their minds and futile to
    1 point
  29. Here's a new news site for you: Happy News mwc
    1 point
  30. Stop. Just stop. The Simpsons is a TV show. A fricking cartoon TV show. Why would you take anything seriously in any TV show, let alone a satirical comedy cartoon show for kids? There is no need to rebut it because its a fricking TV show. Just... yeah, no. Stop watching stuff that upsets you. Stop watching stuff full stop if you need to. It's like I tell my mother: Stop freaking out about what's happening in the US. It doesn't matter. Even if they nuke us we can't do anything about it so stop worrying about it! Turn off the radio, stop reading social media, get off the
    1 point
  31. I haven’t seen any of them. Remember, YouTube is VERY good at tracking your viewing and recommending similar material. If you watch a couple of videos about Zoroastrianism then YT will start recommending videos on Zoroastrianiam. You’ll start to think, wow there’s a big revival in Zoroastrianism going on - this is big! Uh, no. You’ve evidently watched several of these and now YT is summoning similar stuff up and bringing it to your attention.
    1 point
  32. Your world will only end if you're part of the Trump cult. You'll need to check-in with Q and other sketchy sources to see how to revise your thoughts in order to keep your cognizant dissonance going. For the most part people who weren't suckered-in and who weren't expecting Savior Trump to usher in "The Storm" and all that other nonsense the world will stay pretty much the same. There might be some "protests" but nothing that will bring the end of the world. The Simpsons is written by folks who aren't prophets. They're just good at satire. Go back and watch 'All in the F
    1 point
  33. It's the Simpsons, a comedy cartoon... There's a big difference between guessing at political, technological and social changes verse predicting the end of the world. Their cartoons have had alien invasions, zombie outbreaks, time travel and mutant addictive tomatoes, good for a laugh but none of those things came true. You've got to remember the Simpsons has been running for 27 years for 695 episodes. No one counts the misses, but people will jokingly point out the 1 in a hundred times things actually align. If you have enough tries at anything eventually you will get a hit.
    1 point
  34. This entire thread is about Coherence vs Decoherence. Vector vs Scalar. Infinity vs finite. This decoherent reality can't continue eternally. Judgment Day is a thing that is going to happen. Yes, he knows. This physical reality is a necessary step to prevent it from happening again.
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