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  1. I’ve been reading on here on and off for the past 5 years or so. I finally joined so I guess I’ll introduce myself and try to keep it short so it doesn’t turn into my ex testimony. I’m in my early 40s. I grew up going to a Bible Church, which is where I met my husband as a teenager. He went to Bible college, we married and he became the pastor of that same church we grew up in. We had a couple of kids who are in their late teens now. I had always had doubts since childhood, I never told anyone. Instead of following those doubts, I tried to silence them. I knew that doubts equaled hell so I t
    10 points
  2. I came here with an earlier account as a Christian. I read articles on the ex Christian website and later joined the forum. I had a different screen name, my own name, but paranoia caused me to ask florduh to delete the account for me. In retrospect it was irrational paranoia. I didn't know I could have changed my name without creating a new account. I went in and out of hypomania, mania, and depression. My medication was inadequate. I drove everybody crazy. I had a fear of hell and the Christian god. I started reading more about the inadeqacy of the bible. I read a lot of li
    8 points
  3. I used to believe that even the strongest atheists fear God and hell, when I was a Christian. I am now an agnostic atheist and I don't fear the supposed hell and the Christian god. It is for real believe me. Dawkins doesn't lose sleep over God and hell. He might however lose sleep over the effects of the story of hell and God on millions of innocents like you.
    6 points
  4. You are projecting your own phobia onto others and insisting it is real. I have no fear of Zeus, Odin, Ra, Allah, Spiderman, Freddy Krueger, or any other imaginary person/being. I know that it can be hard to distinguish between reality and a strongly felt phobia, but there are doctors who can help you if you seek help. We can't cure you, only keep reminding you and showing you evidence. But deeply ingrained fears sometimes take medications and a caring guide to reset. That isn't a slam, it is simply the reality of brain chemistry.
    6 points
  5. For anyone struggling to follow JamesL's logic, I have condensed it all into the diagram below. I added color for the bits that represent his original thoughts and arguments.
    6 points
  6. Yesterday I made an introduction, so I guess today I’ll share my long walk away from Christianity. I grew up going to a Bible Church, it was all I had ever known. When I was about 5/6 I got “saved” by this I mean it was explained to our children’s church class that those who believe in Jesus will go to a wonderful place with streets of gold and mansions when we die and those who don’t believe will go to a place of eternal fire and pain and suffering. There wasn’t much of a choice involved, what young child would choose the place of pain over being rich? The entire “decision” was based on app
    6 points
  7. @alreadyGone, the dude lives in a tent. He don't need no toilet paper; he just needs to remember "leaves of three, leave it be."
    5 points
  8. James, I think there is a massive problem with your epistemology. You seem to simply believe anything you see and hear that fits your belief instead of critically thinking about it. When we point out why the articles and links you post are not good reasons to accept the claim that your god exists you simply post more articles. I'll breakdown this Quora posts briefly with the sorts of things you should be thinking about. We know what caused our current local universe - it was what we call the big bang which was essentially a rapid expansion of space
    5 points
  9. Really? The lack of archeological proof is what started my deconversion. You should probably recheck your facts. This is not true. Very little evidence has been found like @LogicalFallacy has already stated. Lmao!! No I'm not a dumb ass. Somebody has to pay for whatever the government gives bums like you ya know. I dont know about Chester but Robin Williams suffered with depression most his life. I'm hedging my bets that depression killed him not money. Really? You know you are putting a double standard do
    5 points
  10. Resident new arrival here. I'm so glad to find a forum dedicated to ex-Christians when there are so many sites dedicated to current ones. What fun that is. I was raised Baptist. My paternal grandparents took me to church with them starting at the impressionable age of 3. I tried to fit in, accept all I was told, being as an only child I was one who never imagined my parents would lie to me or lead me wrong. They did both in their lifetime. However, in matters of faith I think they sincerely thought they were helping to lead me to the right path. Now, they're both gon
    5 points
  11. In this corner, weighing in as an agnostic atheist, with several title debates under his belt, the Panther from South Florida.... @Joshpantera And in this corner, coming on strong as a longtime believer in something even he doesn't fully understand, from somewhere in "Don't Mess With Texas ".... @Edgarcito LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!! The rules are simple: each of you must state your case for superior spirituality based on what you actually believe. Last man standing will be proclaimed the undefeated spritual champ (of this match, anyway). The rest of yo
    4 points
  12. But St. Paul was a tent maker; and James lives in a tent. Tents can't exist without being created; therefore St. Paul must exist, and James' tent proves it. Checkmate, motherfucker. If only you would sell all your possessions and send the money to an offshore bank account located in the Cayman Islands in the name of Johnny Redneck, god would help you believe.
    4 points
  13. But you are exactly like those people. They would think you're weird. You think they're weird. But you all do the same thing. You proselytize something that you don't even understand in the first place. All of you claim to do what you do out of love and concern for others. But there's a deeper dimension. And it's ego related. You think you've found truth and you want to impose what you think is true on everyone else. Cloaked under the guise of care, love, and consideration for others. And you probably aren't even aware of what you're doing as you're doing it. Neither ar
    4 points
  14. You haven't debunked anything. Let alone over and over again. You came here under false pretenses and started lying to everyone. And making threats about wanting to shut the site down. And as for irrefutable evidence of god. You haven't presented any such thing. Christian videos don't prove the existence of god. In fact, the existence of god has never been proven. It's probably outside of the realm of being proven even if it were true. And if it was, as Joseph Campbell once asked a catholic priest in passing, "what then would be the value of faith?" You haven't refute
    4 points
  15. Who was there with him when he was tempted in the wilderness? Who was there with him in Gethsemane while the disciples were sleeping? The gospels were written decades after the supposed events took place; and the fact is that nobody knows what he went through, including you.
    4 points
  16. Yes, please believe and worship whatever you wish, just don't try to write your religious dogma into our secular law. Oh, and stop knocking on my door!
    4 points
  17. Maybe you are sending yourself a delusion. You dont have to be an atheist or a theist...you can be comfortably agnostic. Labels arent really important, though.
    4 points
  18. The only solution is to get away from that insanity. Nobody wants to cut ties with relatives, especially parents, but if you want to survive and be mentally fit you must deal with things as they are, not as you wish them to be. It is a lost cause - move on any way possible. Perhaps you need to find a roommate, a better job, a new city. Good luck.
    4 points
  19. I am very thankful that this site exists. If it weren't for this site and its amazing people I would probably have a much more bumpy road if I did deconvert at all. I hope you are well. It is nice to see many old figures still here. I wish you all the best.
    4 points
  20. I’m hesitant to write this portion. I’ve lived in the fishbowl of being the pastors wife for so many years and it is ingrained in me to always worry what others will think and to always be a good example. I worry what if someone who knows me, someone from my church were to come to this site and find my story. I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to get out from under this weight of others opinions. My husband still desires to fill in for pulpit supply at churches and so I can’t run away from Christianity in a blaze of glory with a giant F you. I must watch myself. Also as I said in a response my
    3 points
  21. Yes, and when this was going on we did understand to some degree what was happening with you. And we also understand to some degree what similar episodes are happening right now to @JamesL they are different, but very similar. He joined under one name as a deconvert asking for help and then came back as JamesL. Possibly manic as well. This sort of thing happens. And can be part of someone's deconversion process. Note that as yet we have not banned JamesL. Instead we have kept the 'heat of debate' on him as he's going through whatever it is that he's currently going through.
    3 points
  22. James, one book says that Jesus said the cock shall not crow before Peter denied him three time. Another book has it at twice. And the following stories are made to follow suite according to Jesus prophecy. It is most definitely a contradiction. You and the author of the article just simply explain it away as having more detail. But it isn't true. If the Bible is truly inspired by an ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL God then surely he can make sure everyone is on the same page. Or well he really isn't all that powerful if he can't even do that. Right? But what am I thinking? he can't even get his
    3 points
  23. I've only had brief episodes with anxiety, but the feeling of my mind not being right was genuinely scary. I'm so glad that you found good help and were able to navigate your way back out. Welcome back!
    3 points
  24. You misspelled "farce."
    3 points
  25. Here's a video on tents, a company that makes them, people involved, materials, machines. Seems like a lot of people who have not sold all their stuff are required to make tents for people like JamesL. Isnt logic and common sense and applied reasoning devastating to bible bs?
    3 points
  26. What @JamesL lacks is a greater perspective on the world around him. James, the human population of planet earth grew almost exponentially in the past 30 years. Is this because of God's commandment to "go forth, be fruitful and multiply"? No, it's because we humans engineered the circumstances which led to this new reality. Any population of animals will inevitably grow to meet the limits of the available food supply. That's how nature works. Duckbill platypus, rabbits, birds, fish, orangutans, and yes, even humans. In modern times we greatly
    3 points
  27. That being the point of my seemingly inane question regarding something as basic and overlooked as toilet-paper. @JamesL, I'll give you a hint as to the intent of my question: Here... 10 minutes of your time (and this thumbnail vid depicts about 2% of the actual process. What you don't see there is the enormous scope of machines and processes that went into creating the huge 6-foot wide roll of paper you see in the first 3 seconds. What you see here is the 'little end' of it all). Tell me then, which of these workers do you feel should give up thei
    3 points
  28. *Falls off chair laughing.* No, because I am not a complete fucking moron who leaches off society. If everyone quits their jobs, who makes all the tents and bikes we will suddenly need? Who farms the land, produces food crops? Who makes the machinery that allows us to do this on a massive scale to feed billions of people. Who maintains the water storage and supply systems, who manages the sewage systems that takes all the waste from billions of people shitting every day? Two minutes thought demonstrates how completely asinine your exhortations are
    3 points
  29. Our friends just got back from their other home in NY where they've been hunkered down for Covid this past year. Our group here along with them are all vaccinated and it's as safe as it will ever be. It's really a rebirth of socializing for us all. We're doing a Chinese Easter. Local restaurant will be open and ready to supply us with all the various Chinese dishes we love. I'm thinking veggie egg foo young, Hunan chicken, egg roll, Kung Pao chicken or beef, white rice, fried rice, some noodle dishes, and we have a home made strawberry cake for dessert. Chop sticks freshly washed and ready to
    3 points
  30. The question is often asked among Christian believers... "without God, how can there be any objective standard of good and evil?". I believe that this is an emotionally-driven false dichotomy.
    3 points
  31. Hey, James, how much do you want for that tent? I'll give you five dollars for it, sight unseen. Throw in the bike and I'll make it ten.
    3 points
  32. Christians, if they practice the religion at all, practice a theoretical Christianity. Nobody does, or can do, what their Bible or Jesus character instructs them to do. BUT... they're happy telling us to do so.
    3 points
  33. https://www.hinduwebsite.com/ask/what-happens-after-death.asp "For example, in a near death experience, a Hindu is more likely to see a spiritual teacher or a heaven or hell as described in the epics and Puranas, whereas a Christian might see a Jesus or Mary like figure or an angel walking towards him in a bright light. Similarly, Buddhists and Muslims might see different worlds and go through different experiences according to their beliefs."
    3 points
  34. Why are Christians so THICK. They come onto this site pushing their videos and books and IGNORING the fact, that we are ex Christians and used to believe the same books and videos. What is it about the name EX-Christian, that they do not get. Imagine being an alcoholic and posting onto an ex alcoholic website, accusing us of just not going to the correct pubs and bars or of not drinking the correct sort of cider. The sheer arrogance of them on here, never fails to amaze me. They alone have the truth, if ONLY we would click onto "Lord He loves
    3 points
  35. If we really feared god, then we would not all be rejecting him and thus subjecting ourselves to eternal punishment. The reality is that we do not fear that which we do not believe in. We do not fear bible god any more than we fear the boogeyman.
    3 points
  36. Harry Potter takes place in England England is a real place. Therefore, Harry Potter is a real account of a wizard. Mary Poppins, also takes place in England England is a real place. Therefore, Mary Poppins is a real account of some person who could fly.
    3 points
  37. Some of you know that I consider Newnan Georgia my adopted hometown. It was flattened by severe weather last night. Redneck Jr., who still lives there, is okay. Power is out and most utilities are down; but a few videos and reports are starting to trickle out. The tornados came through Eastern Alabama and across North Georgia where a number of our members live. Please check in with us as soon as you can and let us know if there's anything at all we can do. We're not the "thoughts and prayers" kind of people; but I've got a pickup truck, the next 2 days off, and can be in North
    3 points
  38. Well look guys with all the bible prophecies coming true and the mark of the beast coming in as rfid chips and covid id passports there's no way christianity ain't true. god is being proven everyday as time goes by. Look if you guys would just listen to the bible prophecies I've mentioned , looked at the archeological evidence of noah's ark and the nephilim, and then the ressurection; then you would know christianity is true
    3 points
  39. Sets and sets and sets upon sets and sets of assertions. I' m out. The poster doesn't want or know the difference between an argument and an assertion and mixes and confuses them although many posters have tried to explain it. Discussion, no mind actual debate is impossible in these terms. I recommend James to take a course in formal and informal logic, fallacies and epistemology with a focus in epistemology of science. I recommend this to everyone for that matter including myself
    3 points
  40. This is what makes us uniquely equipped to help others through the deconversion process: we’ve walked in their shoes and know how it feels. We know that it gets better and that your worldview becomes more confident and secure as it becomes based more and more on reality and less and less on mythology.
    3 points
  41. I wouldn’t say we were stupid, but rather we accepted what we had been told without examining to see if it was based on reality or truth. There you go. Exactly this. This extensive and objective investigation turned us into ex-Christians and almost all of us into ex-theists.
    3 points
  42. This is the problem. As LF pointed out, none of the above is true to begin with. You start building your worldview from a foundation of false assumptions easily refuted. He told you the truth. Scant evidence for a King David which points to a small time, if any, historical existence. Which contradicts the claims of the bible which suggest he was famous and known all around. The giants thing is beyond laughable. Williams was apparently going down hill with dementia before for eventually opting to commit suicide. The contradicti
    3 points
  43. Sure That a book references places and events in the world around us doesn't make any of its supernatural claims true. Much evidence that would prove some of the stories is missing. There is no evidence of a Global flood, and in fact much evidence against it: Civilisations of Egypt and China were in progress before the flood and showed no signs of a massive flood wiping them out. There is no DNA evidence of a bottleneck in the human genome dating back 4500 years ago. There is no evidence of a mass exodus from Egypt by slaves (I recommend the book The Bible Unearthed for t
    3 points
  44. Prior to Jesus's sacrifice the belief was that God was the final judge. You died and went before the big guy, who would look over your life and see if you were worthy of heaven. This was a great incentive for people to be good as you were to be judged for your character, so you'd better be good for goodness sake. Once the belief changed so that salvation becomes about belief in Jesus and nothing to do with your character or actions, then that incentive to live a good life is removed. God's power as the final judge is removed, and He becomes bound by a single rule instead. This leads to th
    3 points
  45. Only if you presuppose God, shut of critical thinking and squint at the videos with half an eye. Fine, then you don't need to worry about eating or housing. From now on I expect you to not eat, and sleep under the stars. Not even in a cave because that's shelter, and you don't need to worry about shelter remember.
    3 points
  46. Somebody here in the 'hood knows how to do Easter...
    3 points
  47. Christianity with its demons, spirits, angels, voice of God etc. Provided me with a whole world of crazyness to lose my mind in. With severe bipolar disorder I had psychoses in the theme of Christianity. Now that I see things clearly it is easy not to lose myself in psychosis. Christianity helped further my insanity. I guess I don't have so much trauma anymore without Christianity. What a relief. Phew....
    3 points
  48. Hi @Seekingwhatisnextand welcome to the community! I’m glad you finally went from being a lurker to being a member. Nobody understands the deconversion experience like those of us who have been through it, and I think it will help you to participate here. No two deconversion processes are exactly the same, but between all of us here there’s a lot of history and lessons learned. As difficult as these last few years have been for you, it’s good that you have been honest with your nearest and dearest and it’s great that you husband has been supportive, even if your deconversion is s
    3 points



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