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  1. This one pretends to be all "sciency" and stuff. How quaint.
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  2. And again you are devolving the discussion - which is a sign we've struck a nerve. May our lurkers see the difficulty of the position you've placed yourself in. You are arguing in favor of a god of deceit and not of love. A god which chose prior to time to cast a die in which some would be rewarded and others . . . not. You clearly believe yourself among the elect: a Paul, to my Pharaoh. Neither man chose his fate, but were chosen for it. A god that operates in this way has some very peculiar attributes, none of which are flattering. I suggest you rethi
    2 points
  3. Not to mention lust. Impregnating the holy virgin like the motherfucker he is.
    2 points
  4. Hey everyone, Well I like to check in from time to time. I really should be more active but I do good to keep up with my ever changing life the past couple of years. This ones gonna be a bit of a bummer. As you all know Lady Bishop and I have had a rocky road of things, especially after I deconverted. The past two years we have dealt with major illness, deaths in the family, and of course covid 19 like everyone else. We are officially filing for divorce. Its not all because of our religious differences but its probably one of the biggest issues in recent years. It set us apart on a
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  5. Joe, why don't you put some time into slowing down and trying to take the content of this issue in. Let it sink in a little bit. A god knowing all future events and possible outcomes, means that it's NOT possible for anyone to deviate away from those events and all possible outcomes. You can not choose not NOT to kill someone, if the future is already DETERMINED that you will kill someone. A future that is already known, is a future that is already DETERMINED. It can't change. It's set in stone. No one is free to change anything. And if you are free to change
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  6. Changing your thought processes takes time. That's all there is to it. But the more pour yourself into learning new things the broader your perspective should be. And the more your thinking process will continue to evolve and change. Some of the people talking to you were in churches not long ago. And have come this far already.
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  7. Thanks guys for your support I appreciate it. I know that you guys are doing your best to help me and I appreciate that. But you can’t expect me to be on you guys level of deconversion considering the fact that I was in Christianity for so long. I try my best everyday to change my mindset but everytime I try enjoying something that stupid Christian guilt gets in the way and I can’t enjoy anything anymore. Plus a voice in the desert is now stuck in my head and I don’t know how to get it out. I’ve got a lot on my plate but hopefully things will work out well
    1 point
  8. I am honestly perplexed that you don't see the issue with those statements. But let's not belabor the point. Someday, like I did, hopefully you'll realize the incompatibility of those two positions. Your conception of god as a universal wave and coherence and some things re-cohering back to god and others . . .not, does not require Christianity. So what makes you think a new-agey sounding QM conception of an omnigod is part and parcel of Christianity?
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  9. You are complaining that you are not God? boo hoo.
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  10. Except these positions are mutually exclusive to anyone not wedded to a system which requires both to simultaneously be true. This is the rigged game situation. We, unsuspecting, finite, and temporal creatures are thrust into a script where the outcome and movements are known by the author. We may only proceed along a course determined for us, but not by us (i.e. pharaoh and Judas). Some of us were predestined for reward . . .others were not. By design, a rigged game involves the element of deceit.
    1 point
  11. I'm afraid I don't really follow all that. My concern is the reality we share, the one in which we are common participants. So this reality of the fallen (as you call it) will proceed along a certain path. You acknowledge this. Your god's omniscience means he knows exactly which paths will be used in all time. We live in a reality in which we do not know what tomorrow will bring, but your god knows exactly what it and all tomorrows will bring down the moment we first awake including our first thought and desire of the day. This is what omniscience means. We however, are finite creatures
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  12. The above sounds like a healthy skepticism. There's no certainty at the base of reality. Those who think there is are deluded in that way. A challenge to prove certainty will illustrate the truth of uncertainty. And yet, some things are still more likely than others, as you say. This is the balance I'm referring to. The Simpsons thing is not likely to be true. But watching it play out just to see doesn't seem left field either. If it did come true, then we'd be facing the coincidence issue. Hopefully MrJukes21 can take all of this and approach the next similar situation that comes
    1 point
  13. I hope you take the time to reflect and study up on the areas that make you uncomfortable, we do not grow without challenging ourselves. Now, back to the basic question at hand, in your conception of god, is his knowledge: lesser (all potential paths, but no knowledge of the actual paths that will be chosen till the end of time) greater (all actual paths chosen till the end of time) If you don't want to answer, I can't blame you. The Calvinist v free will debate has been waging for centuries without god stepping in to clarify. And I'm glad to see you recognize th
    1 point
  14. I felt the same way as you at one time. To try and fit a square peg in a round hole (omniscience v free will) I also thought that god had knowledge of all possible outcomes. This is why I asked if you believed in a multiverse, where each is unique. As you pointed out, this leads to an obvious problem as it would involved an infinite number of me (and you for that matter) in hell and heaven simultaneously, depending on the particular universe. By your reckoning there is only universe and existence. To say that god's knowledge is all future possible paths sounds deep, but is mean
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  15. Strange way to describe reverse cowgirl, but okay...
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  16. We know what entropy is and we know what disorder is. What the fuck is "sin?"
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  17. You claimed that the double slit experiment was a scientific proof of sin, Joe. I have shown that it is not, citing evidence to that effect. Therefore, your initial claim about the double slit experiment being a proof of sin has no value. Furthermore, anything else you claim, based upon that experiment is also without value. But, if you can demonstrate (and not just claim) that the experiment is a proof, please cite your evidence. Thank you. Walter.
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  18. About skepticism. My current point is that it seems to me that all knowledge is probabilistic , under a foundation of skepticism of any absolutes. Meaning, I do not see any path to absolute certainty, or certain knowledge, but certain models and methods seem better than others. I cannot be sure we are not in a simulation by aliens, but in this world , me growing a tail tommorow is less likely than me growing fingernails. I still think that in the psychological cocktail of many groups, political, scientific or otherwise , a sense of certainty coupled with a heightened sense of com
    1 point
  19. Joe, Since the double slit experiment is not a proof of anything, let alone sin, that leaves the rest of your claims high and dry. Everything you claim about physicality, spiritual death, scalar fields, measurement, entropy, the spiritual universe, coherence and decoherence rests upon the double slit experiment proving sin. Because it doesn't do that (no experiment ever proves anything) your claims are empty and without value. Thank you. Walter.
    1 point
  20. Not in the physical brain...therefore Jesus Christ.
    1 point
  21. I've come to believe that a lifetime monogamous relationship is an unrealistic expectation for most humans - yet Christianity (and other religions) demand it. That dictate may have served its purpose at some point in our history, but it creates anguish now for a lot of people who still aspire to it. I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to derail things. Good for you for taking a healthy step towards a happier future. I wish I was as brave!
    1 point
  22. Hey DB, glad you checked in. Hard to believe it’s been four years almost since you introduced yourself here. If I recall, your deconversion started when you looked into the historic basis for the Exodus and found it to be seriously lacking. I know that was just the start of a lot of reading and learning that led you out of Christianity and placed your deconversion on a very firm footing. The kind of firm footing that leads you to say that in spite of the pain and heartache that have been involved, you would not want to go back. I trust you will be able to say at some point that you gained
    1 point
  23. Oh, no. Is this a thread where people come to wildly inaccurate conclusions about quantum mechanics because they don't understand any of it? I always find it funny when people discuss wave functions and Schroedinger's equation like it's some mystical symbol in the sky, rather than any discussion of finding eigenfunction solutions to a given Hamiltonian. Pointing to a science you don't understand/comprehend to explain a religious belief that is incomprehensible/incoherent has got to be a mutation of the "god of the gaps" argument. Scientific theories are about repeatable
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  24. No. The first step is, or should be, figuring out what to believe in so that you don't believe in the wrong shit and end up in hell anyway. Pay attention, son.
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  25. DB, I'm sure you remember my nightmare divorce followed by a nightmare engagement the following year. It's hard to see out from the pit of despair. But I was right around the corner from something better that works well and makes more sense. I would suggest that going forward you try and put the time into finding someone who has at least similar views to yourself. Open to agnosticism. Open to pantheism. Understanding the problems with organized religion. The most ideal ex christian situation, actually, are two people who are ex christians and completely understand one another's lif
    1 point
  26. And yet you know all about judgment day and the rest of it. You speak for god. You tell us what he wants. But when the questions get too hard, you cop out with this "oh, I don't know god's plan" bullshit. You are better off genuinely admitting that you really don't know and start learning from there than pretending to know the parts you think you can explain and ignoring the parts that are uncomfortable, confusing, or simply illogical. The Truth is, you don't know anything; you just believe really hard because that's what brings you peace and helps you sleep at night.
    1 point
  27. To your satisfaction yes, but clearly not to ours. Let's see if I can understand by example. Is god's knowledge like: A pinball machine where he knows the ball will eventually fall into the hole at the bottom, but not necessarily the path the ball will take prior. My mood and thoughts yesterday, today, and will be for every second of my existence even beyond my dying breath (assuming there is an existence after death) Thanks. (edited because late and typos)
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  28. There may be something higher than us, but so far I don't think you've shown that your particular conception of it is plausible. As others have pointed out in this thread, perfect knowledge of the infinite being and free will don't actually work together - we're back to the rigged game issue. Unless we all win a prize, then it's kind of a pointless exercise. So you now sit a crossroads and either path to pursue is fine: Resolve the conflict between perfect knowledge (omniscience) and free will explain how a rigged game provides a valid offer If you're having trou
    1 point



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