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  1. Hi Scout - You'll find lots of good information all over this site, one of my favorites that seems to be a really good "down to earth" look at xtianity is Why Won't God Heal Amputees. Just the title of the website gives you something to think about. Seriously, with all the "medical miracles" people see and pray for everyday, why do you never ever see someone have a lost limb restored? People aren't praying hard enough? Amputees aren't deserving? Its not part of "god's plan"? The site is really long, but has a ton of really good, simple, honest, and logical questions to ask yourself (and in your case, others) about the xtian faith. Granted you'll still have the fundies that no matter what you say, they'll answer with "well, we'll never understand god's will", but if you're going to talk to those types, you might as well go talk to a wall. As for dealing with the bible and if it was inspired by god, it has several chapters talking about how to figure out of the bible was written by god, was written by men through god, or just written by men. The whole site is a great read, but that definitely seems to apply in your situation. Also, albeit this is a bit "harsher" there is the Skeptic's Annotated Book of Mormon. It takes a very objective (and at times sarcastic) loook at the BOM, gives some good references to other topics, how some passages are complete fiction, how some of it was taken word for word from the bible, and how he tried to write it so it sounded "old". Good luck, keep us posted on how it goes. -Gliph
  2. Good post! I know I'm looking for new stuff to read all the time... A few of my favorites: Why Won't God Heal Amputees - an excellent introduction to why xtianity isn't right. this is a great resource for those who want a "softer" approach to moving away from their beliefs. Pagan Origins of the Christian Myth - a look at where xtianity came from, including its roots in other religions that were around LONG before xtianity What the hell is hell - wondering where/when the concept of HELL came from? this site is a good introduction. Hmm, maybe this should be in a different forum, or a sticky somewhere... or it might be nice to keep an organized list by topic? I'd be happy to help get some stuff compiled together!
  3. Welcome! This is a great place to figure out your own path. I started here too, actually. Just start reading, there are tons of links to other information and always post questions, you'll get a great variety of responses and ideas to help you on your journey. -Gliph
  4. Welcome singlecoil! Sorry to hear about your family and your situation. Thanks for sharing some of it though, I'm sure it must still be hard to deal with. At least you were able to try and get her some help. I've known of some fundies that refuse to seek any medical help and rely completely on prayer and other religious "remedies", usually to devistating consequences even for situations not as serious as yours. Welcome to the club, although it seems like you've been sneaking around for a while... Definitely looking forward to hearing/seeing you around on the boards. -Gliph
  5. Rosa - There have been so many good posts here already, I hope you have found them encouraging and enlightening. I know so many people here struggle with this too, you are definitely not alone. There has been so much good information (I think i've spent the last hour reading through posts and following some of the links) hopefully some of it will help you with this burden. Keep reading and thinking for yourself and questioning, you'll find the truth. Just the fact that you are struggling with this concept should tell you something and show you that you're already on a better path than most xtians. Don't get too discouraged with yourself, either. You have to figure all your years in xtianity can't all be undone at once, and in time your mind will let go. Heck, if they weren't so good at brainwashing and keeping people scared, there would be a lot more of us FreeThinkers out there! -Gliph
  6. Welcome Chris! You have definitely found a good group to relax and get some new ideas, bounce around some old ones or whatever. I am definitely looking forward to hearing more of your story, I know what you mean about having the time to type something out... I think mine started out as a text file that was updated periodically for a while, before the final "cut and paste" ended up here. Glad to have you here! -Gliph
  7. Welcome Marlin! Thanks for sharing part of your story. I would definitely have to agree with you on the "non christian" attitude, especially what and who you'll find here. I remember growing up that Atheist was basically a four letter word in my household, and Pagan... oooh! You might as well have said they were the devil... It truely is amazing that you had such an understanding support structure at home. It seems to be pretty rare around here... Its a road I haven't traveled down yet with any of my family (except my wife, and that was pretty rough) because I really worry about the consequences. I guess you'll be supporting all of us and getting us to come out of hiding, hmmmm??? You'll find tons of great people and great information here that will help you on your journey... Glad to have you here. -Gliph
  8. Welcome Kal-el! First of all, nicely done with being able to read through all that. I've tried it in the past and was never able to get through it... Who'd have guessed that a book written by a group of men and translated up dozens of times would be so incoherent??? :grins: You are in excellent company here... since you seem to be able to read (lol), you've got a great resource of information here.. dig in and enjoy! -Gliph
  9. Welcome garrisonjj, You've found a great place to start your journey. This is a great site to read, relax, and learn from people that are all on the same quest as you. As you read more and more and learn about the TRUTH behind xtianity, you'll know you made the right choice. Thanks for sharing, hope to hear more of your "story" in the future! -Gliph
  10. Welcome Jon! I can definitely relate with your feelings of depression. I've been suffering from it for years and becoming an ex-christian (its only been a few months for me), just seemed like another step in the downward spiral... there has been a lot of good insight and ideas on this thread so far, but I'd say the number one thing you should do is find your own path. The first step "off the wagon" is really really tough. And having those feelings of emptiness combined with the thought of "is there really nothing else" and "what if there is something else and now i don't believe, i'm going to hell now" can just compound your feelings of depression. The biggest thing that has helped me is trying to learn more about the idea of religion in general. You'll find tons of links as you read through different posts here, or even some of the posts from the main site. The best thing you can do? Question everything. Find your own road. You've taken a huge step in saying that xtianity isn't right for you, so start your own search. You'll find a huge mix of people here from deists, to agnostics, to atheists, and everywhere inbetween. The best part? There really is no wrong answer. As I was struggling from first being off the jesus-juice (hmm, that's a scary thought, isn't it?? ) I had a really hard time at first thinking, "if there is no god, why does every single human culture have some sort of religion?" i always felt like i was the odd one out. this site can definitely help with that, and just reading other people going through their own journey and finding their own truths i find extremely helpful. The support, encouragement, and honest understanding you'll find in this group of people here is simply amazing. Again, welcome and realize that you've taken a step most of the 6 billion people on this planet would never dare take and you are not alone. -Gliph
  11. Welcome Cameron! First of all, you'll find so many people here "blessed" with the same types of issues (myself included ) Honestly, I think it really is helpful in finding your own path and finding you way out of the xtian culture. Instead of your head letting you follow like a sheep, it ran circles around everything going on around you. Granted, it isn't the best all the time, but if it helps you to free yourself of the xtian lies, it can't be all bad, right?!? Thanks for sharing, and read as much of this as you can... you'll find tons of information, links to other resources, and a group of people here that honestly are glad to have you, no strings attached. -Gliph
  12. I have to admit, sometimes I think its a bit weird when I see really old threads brought back up, but this one is fantastic. What a great read: interesting, encouraging, and inspirational. I really like the fact that you followed your heart. I guess that sounds kinda lame, but it really is the truth about the search that any of us go through here... you have found what you and your heart were looking for. That is fantastic! So my side thought/topic on all of this... How interesting and diverse would our world be if we were all encouraged to forge out our own path and really find a spiritual connection like you have found... Granted, you'd still have the crazy fundies, but maybe if the world was more spiritually diverse, there wouldn't be so much hate and violence... Who knows... Thanks again for your post, I'm very glad it has bubbled back to the surface!
  13. Thanks for sharing AM. Its interesting how many people have conversion stories after they start to really "dig" into christianity. Keep writing and you aren't being too wordy at all! I would be very interested in some of your music though. I definitely like piano, and since it has such a strong connection to you and your de-conversion, I'm sure other people would be interested as well. Do you have a link? Some samples? Some freebies?
  14. Welcome! RC huh? I bet you have some great stories from that. From the little experience I have with the RC dogma, there are some seriously crazy cerimonies that take place on a weekly basis in a mass. What's the deal with all their special books, water, and smoke anyway??? Just kidding. welcome to the group. you've definitely got the right attitude in continuing to read, learn, and THINK for yourself. there's lots of information and lots of people here that can keep you reading, learning, and thinking for a long time to come! Thanks for sharing, look forward to hearing more from you!
  15. Bruce - thanks for sharing your story! The female submission and male leadership was a huge issue for me and was one of the largest cracks in my old faith. I really don't know much about apologetics, but I would be interested in reading more and understanding the elaborate foundation of lies all of this is based on. Do you have links to any additional information? I've been reading some atheist websites, but I'd definitely like to get a list together of some xian resources that have researched this and other helpful xian information. Is there a section on this site for this kind of information? If not, I'd be happy to help compile a list and set something up for other n00b's like myself. (sorry for posting this in your testimony) :-\
  16. Welcome! You have definitely found the right group. Its very disheartening that the support structure you relied on for so long would either ignore you or provide no "real world" advice. Sadly, they won't be much help as you continue down your path of finding the real truth either. I think you are taking a good step in getting a lawyer and taking real steps towards helping your family. I don't really see how any god is going to help you in court no matter what the situation is. I'm sure you'll find lots of people here willing to help and give you input and advice on your situation too in addition to your search for the real truth. Thanks for sharing your story and read the other testimonies too... I find it encouraging to see people searching and fighting for the truth no matter what the circumstance in their day to day lives. Look at you! Even with your christian background you realized it isn't working and took a huge (and very difficult) step towards finding solutions to your real life situations. WTG!!! and of course, let us know how we can help!
  17. Welcome! That was one of the hardest things for me too. I always thought it was OK to read something, but then I wanted to discuss it and actually STUDY it. It was called "bible study" because you were supposed to study and learn, right? Maybe if it was called "bible sit quietly and read to yourself" that would have helped. You are in a great group here, and find there is lots of freethinking to go around. Thanks for sharing!
  18. Welcome Tim! You are definitely in a good place. Although I am very new here as well, there is a wealth of information, support, and encouragement from the members here, new and old alike. Thanks for sharing your story, as much as it sounds like "everyone elses" to you, its is completely unique and encouraging to read. Thanks and welcome.
  19. pandora! you are 100% right. do you have other information about them? where they started or anything? i should do some research on how they started or what group actually runs them... i think the most interesting part was really getting into the group and learning the tricks of their trade. like i said in my original post, the RA from my floor was a very active member and talked to most of the people in my building to try and get them to come and visit at least once... once you didn't show up, they asked why and really gave you a hard time about it. i think the best trick was a "free pizza" drive they did once a year. all you had to do was fill out a coupon with your name and address, and you could get a free pizza. the catch was you'd have someone knocking on your door and trying to save you... mmm, jesus pizza. thanks. i think the human part is really what started me thinking... with everything going on in the world, it seems like more and more religion is stepping in the way of HUMANITY. creating barriers, creating hate, creating an "us against them" mentality. i don't want to start this as a GW flamewar, but it has been absolutely terrifying to me that an election was won on moral grounds... and at the same time the #1 show in the ratings in desparate housewives? ?????? its really is kind of scary to think how much like a borg hive most of this stuff is... and don't worry, i know you shot first. hahahaha! pandora! you are 100% right. do you have other information about them? where they started or anything? i should do some research on how they started or what group actually runs them... i think the most interesting part was really getting into the group and learning the tricks of their trade. like i said in my original post, the RA from my floor was a very active member and talked to most of the people in my building to try and get them to come and visit at least once... once you didn't show up, they asked why and really gave you a hard time about it. i think the best trick was a "free pizza" drive they did once a year. all you had to do was fill out a coupon with your name and address, and you could get a free pizza. the catch was you'd have someone knocking on your door and trying to save you... mmm, jesus pizza. thanks. i think the human part is really what started me thinking... with everything going on in the world, it seems like more and more religion is stepping in the way of HUMANITY. creating barriers, creating hate, creating an "us against them" mentality. i don't want to start this as a GW flamewar, but it has been absolutely terrifying to me that an election was won on moral grounds... and at the same time the #1 show in the ratings is desparate housewives? ?????? sorry to the non-US folks... and i'm going to stop right there before i really start going... btw, where is a good place for me to put my GW rants going forward?? its really is kind of scary to think how much like a borg hive most of this stuff is... and don't worry, i know you shot first. hahahaha! pandora! you are 100% right. do you have other information about them? where they started or anything? i should do some research on how they started or what group actually runs them... i think the most interesting part was really getting into the group and learning the tricks of their trade. like i said in my original post, the RA from my floor was a very active member and talked to most of the people in my building to try and get them to come and visit at least once... once you didn't show up, they asked why and really gave you a hard time about it. i think the best trick was a "free pizza" drive they did once a year. all you had to do was fill out a coupon with your name and address, and you could get a free pizza. the catch was you'd have someone knocking on your door and trying to save you... mmm, jesus pizza. thanks. i think the human part is really what started me thinking... with everything going on in the world, it seems like more and more religion is stepping in the way of HUMANITY. creating barriers, creating hate, creating an "us against them" mentality. i don't want to start this as a GW flamewar, but it has been absolutely terrifying to me that an election was won on moral grounds... and at the same time the #1 show in the ratings is desparate housewives? ?????? sorry to the non-US folks... and i'm going to stop right there before i really start going... btw, where is a good place for me to put my GW rants going forward?? its really is kind of scary to think how much like a borg hive most of this stuff is... and don't worry, i know you shot first. hahahaha! UGH, sorry for the complete mess. i don't think i can edit my posts yet.
  20. Glad to have you here... us n00bs should stick together. lol Hmm... candadian jokes... the only ones i know are about loonies and twofers. hahaha. j/k I can definitely understand your feelings of depression. I'm just starting to realize that mine has been going on for some time now as I try and understand all of this. I think this is a great place to be though with a ton of support from a world wide group of people. I hope you are as glad to be here as I am...
  21. Once I found this site, I realized I’ve been looking for it for too long. The sad part is that I just started looking yesterday… its almost silly how I couldn’t find the courage to even type in a search phrase into google and start looking. What would I type? “christianity is a lie”? “falsehood of religion”? “christianity is wrong”? I’ve been struggling to type those words for over a year. I knew that once those words were typed there was no going back, I was taking the next step beyond what was in my head, what I’ve thought for years, and seeing if I was alone or I’d just end up on jesusstilllovesyou.com (sorry if that’s a real site, lmao). Anyway, my story begins like so many of the others… I grew up in a christian household, going to church, bible study, youth group, etc. I was content, I was happy. When I went off to college I began going to one of the local christian groups on campus. I believe it was at the recommendation of my RA in my residence hall… sneaky, huh? I was immediately drawn in… Here was a huge group of my peers, all friendly, and all excited about their faith and their love of god. There were no boring sermons, no pesky tithing, no boring hymns. It was intoxicating. I jumped in with both feet and never looked back… it only took a week or two for me to give my soul to jesus and… *POOF* I was born again. The whole world seemed different, I felt different, and I was excited. I was in love with god and I wanted to know more… I wanted to learn and understand everything I could about him, his son, and everything else. I got into all of the activities I could find that this group sponsored. There were bible studies in big groups, there were small group bible studies, I met with someone on an individual basis to talk about my relationship with god, we went on retreats. It was great. We were all on a mission. Convert. We went to a national conference… How many people have you converted today? Stand up and testify! Pledge a year of your life to the cause, right now! We must convert anyone and everyone. Its our job, its YOUR job as part of the born-again. OK, so this was a bit weird, but I was still new to the group. I didn’t think it could be bad or wrong, I just needed to learn more and maybe I’d be handing out the wwjd bracelets to my converted soon enough… As I continued working through my freshman year of college (a medium sized public school in the US) I was eating up all the knowledge I could find. My liberal arts schooling was in high gear, I was researching and questioning everything and that’s when the first cracks in my new faith formed. As I learned more and more from my new found christian family, I wanted to THINK about what I was learning. There seemed to be so much knowledge around me with a quote from a verse here and a quote from a verse there. I wanted to go deeper, there was so much more to this… I could FEEL it. So I started asking questions and trying to understand things on a level beyond listing fragments of verses from a book. So in response to a question on this verse or that verse, I’d get another verse. Another question would lead to more verses and those to those and then you are back to your original verse. Amazing! See how it all connects? I knew this was wrong. I was pursuing a mathematics degree at the time, and I knew that for a proof you couldn’t just go around and around. It was all circular logic. All of the knowledge I saw around me was only quotes and quips from a book. There was no understanding or research there. It was taken verbatim and treated as such. The biggest turning point for me was during the planning for a spring retreat the group had every year. This retreat was divided between the women and the men. The men went off to learn how to be the spiritual leaders of the christian home while the women went off to learn how to be the good christian wives and support to the men. This shook me at my very core. I didn’t like it, I didn’t like the idea that the man was the leader and was supposed to take charge of the christian-ly ways of HIS household. I grew up in a single family home where my mother was the complete support of the household and was the most spiritual person I knew. Her faith and devotion seemed to be the only thing getting her through some very, very difficult times. I didn’t like that it had to be a MAN leading the house or anything of the sort. I was hoping there was a footnote somewhere or somehow that said, “in case of single parent, the woman can step up and become the leader, that is OK”. When I learned more about it, there was no way this was the case. As far as they were concerned my mother had stepped up into a role, but she definitely needed to find a MAN to put back in there. It was as simple as this: the man of the house runs the show, the woman is his support. I couldn’t deal with it. I wouldn’t. My mother was the strongest person I knew in my life. For someone to come along and say it wasn’t her place and that she was wrong, I knew wasn’t right. Something was very wrong here. I backed off a bit from the group and saw the next stumbling block. These people that cared about me suddenly were cold and distant. They didn’t like the questions I asked or the fact that I didn’t like their answers or how their male dominant hierarchy worked. I didn’t give up, I still went to some of the meetings, but I already felt like an outcast. I wanted to try and find what I had seen there when I first started going… the love, the passion, the intoxication of god. I didn’t see it anymore. I saw the people who were there and were in all the other meetings… and the group that used this weekly time as their church replacement. I was done, I was out. I could see so much hypocrisy in all of it. That was 8 years ago. I’ve chewed on all of this and so much more for so long now. I’m still thinking but I want to talk about this, I want to hear what other people have found and researched. I’ve read some of the testimonials and its inspired me to write this. Its kind of scary how much this feels like a 12 step program… Hello, my name is Gliph and I’m a recovering christian.
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