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fallenleaf

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About fallenleaf

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  • Birthday 06/30/1980

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    I was formerly known as ericf on the boards but have changed the name for various reasons. I've been around the forums for what I consider a long time now... longer than my join date would imply since that is just since the last time we've moved.

    Feel free to email or PM me if you want. I'm not bothered by such things although I am often busy so don't be upset if I seem to be ignoring you. My computer is always on but I'm not always home.

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  1. When I came out of the atheist closet, my two closest friends stayed with me. One of them is now agnostic and maybe atheist. The other is quasi-religious but I am not sure if that's for the sake of his kids or not. In either case, it wasn't the end of the world. I did lose some friends, but I can now see that our friendship was based around being Christians in the same church and little else. I'm an atheist. I wear my flair here with pride. I spent a long time hiding who I was and investigating whether or not I could find another belief system (not really). We're here for you. This is something that many of us have faced. It doesn't mean you won't overcome it.
  2. fallenleaf

    New athiest

    Welcome. I don't remember the date, but I do remember the moment that I realized that I was an atheist. It was profound, and not exactly pleasant. But, I am glad it happened.
  3. "Yes, I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as atheist some people will say, Don't you mean agnostic? I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one...etc., etc. It's easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal and that it's an opinion I hold seriously." --Douglas Adams
  4. Yeah this isn't a choice. It is a fact. Someone who does not believe in god is an atheist. My son is an atheist, but he wouldn't call himself that. He doesn't think about the "official" term of what he is. He just doesn't believe in god, or really understand why others do. Yeah, I'm proud of him.
  5. Anyway. I think I am done discussing this with you. I wasn't responding to you, anyway. I was responding for those who will read this. So they realize that your position is indefensible and that they don't need to worry that they're not really atheists because they are still working through some irrational fears. Even if someone was to really believe in hell (which a fear of hell does not equate to a belief in it), they could still be an atheist if they don't believe in god. Those are two different beliefs. Both happen to be false beliefs, but belief in one does not require that people believe in the other.
  6. What do you think you have proved? That trigger is not belief. Having an irrational fear of hell does not mean you believe in god. It doesn't mean that in the slightest.
  7. Are you claiming that there is no trigger? There is most certainly a trigger.
  8. I notice that you keep starting your responses with stuff like, "hun, bro, buddy, mate, etc." It comes off as condescending. It certainly isn't helping your case. I think I can speak for most people here when I say that we're pretty good at knowing our position in the hierarchy and little stuff like that doesn't threaten it. I still don't understand your point. Are you now claiming that people who are afraid of dogs can't be atheists? You don't need to answer that. We both know it's silly. But, it also shows how silly your other claim is.
  9. "Can be rationalized" does not create a requirement that they must be able to be rationalized.
  10. This thought isn't clear. Can you elaborate on what you mean? I have no idea how to respond to it. Are we talking about irrational fears? Why would you try to carve out an exception for those irrationalities which are spiritual? Hell, spiritual fears are the poster child of irrational fears.
  11. Your definition is unique and restrictive. It's one that exists only in your own mind and seems designed to exclude as many people from being atheists as possible. Nothing in the definition of an atheist requires that they hold no irrational fears.
  12. You're not an atheist, so why would you presume you get to decide who is and isn't one? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to self-identify? And, if that is the case, and you aren't one, why would you presume to deny someone that identity?
  13. You disagree, but you are wrong. You have only proven that you're stubbornly resistant to changing your position. That's not really a point. And, it's probably not a great choice of places to rest. I am a true atheist. I was before you decided that. I already knew that. And, I can tell you, those others who don't believe in god are also true atheists. Even if they worry that they might be wrong about hell, or think that bad karma will change their future, or whatever other irrational fear they might have. If they don't believe in god, they are true atheists. You don't get to choose a stricter definition just because you want to.
  14. It does not exist. I am saying that. I don't just think it's not real, it absolutely is not real. But, I welcome as brothers atheists who still worry about it. If someone does not believe in god, they are an atheist. Their irrational fears don't change that.
  15. I do not fear hell. I can't even recall the last time I worried about hell or even thought of it. Same as the fact that I can't recall the last time I thought there might be something spiritual out there. But, I was an atheist even before I shook the last vestiges of that belief system from my mind. And, as an atheist, I consider those who don't believe in god to be in the same group as me. How do I know it doesn't exist? Because it is absurd. It would be your burden (or whomever was trying to say hell was real) to provide some proof that it was. My job isn't to go around and disprove all the silly nonsense that you can dream up. Still, proof has nothing to do with atheism. You're adding that condition in your own mind. It's not about proof. It's about belief in god. If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist.
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