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    I was formerly known as ericf on the boards but have changed the name for various reasons. I've been around the forums for what I consider a long time now... longer than my join date would imply since that is just since the last time we've moved.

    Feel free to email or PM me if you want. I'm not bothered by such things although I am often busy so don't be upset if I seem to be ignoring you. My computer is always on but I'm not always home.

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  1. I doubt I will get any response to this, as you have hit and run this forum. But whatever. I was raised in the Ass of God as well. And, my experience is very similar to yours. Except, I ended up atheist and carnivore. Why do you still accept Jesus as the explanation for anything, after that experience?
  2. I worry about outing myself at work. Because, if I am asked directly, I will not lie. And, I think you should be proud that you didn't lie either. You probably need a new hairdresser, but that's fine. Do you really want to give money to someone who doesn't want you there? Yeah, it sucks that some people just can't accept others.
  3. Your story made my think of Penn's quote from above. Reading the bible is be fastest way to create atheists. Even today, my mother will admit that I know the bible much better than her. I've read it cover to cover more times than I care to admit, mostly because it was one of the few books I was allowed to read as a child and I read all the time.
  4. Welcome to the forums. While I definitely am happy to be open about my atheism, I totally understand the position you're in. Do what you need to do to get your life back together. You only need to be honest with yourself and any intimate partners who might become more than just a fuck buddy. The rest of the world doesn't need to know.
  5. When I came out of the atheist closet, my two closest friends stayed with me. One of them is now agnostic and maybe atheist. The other is quasi-religious but I am not sure if that's for the sake of his kids or not. In either case, it wasn't the end of the world. I did lose some friends, but I can now see that our friendship was based around being Christians in the same church and little else. I'm an atheist. I wear my flair here with pride. I spent a long time hiding who I was and investigating whether or not I could find another belief system (not really). We're here for you. This is something that many of us have faced. It doesn't mean you won't overcome it.
  6. Welcome. I don't remember the date, but I do remember the moment that I realized that I was an atheist. It was profound, and not exactly pleasant. But, I am glad it happened.
  7. "Yes, I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as atheist some people will say, Don't you mean agnostic? I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one...etc., etc. It's easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal and that it's an opinion I hold seriously." --Douglas Adams
  8. Yeah this isn't a choice. It is a fact. Someone who does not believe in god is an atheist. My son is an atheist, but he wouldn't call himself that. He doesn't think about the "official" term of what he is. He just doesn't believe in god, or really understand why others do. Yeah, I'm proud of him.
  9. Anyway. I think I am done discussing this with you. I wasn't responding to you, anyway. I was responding for those who will read this. So they realize that your position is indefensible and that they don't need to worry that they're not really atheists because they are still working through some irrational fears. Even if someone was to really believe in hell (which a fear of hell does not equate to a belief in it), they could still be an atheist if they don't believe in god. Those are two different beliefs. Both happen to be false beliefs, but belief in one does not require that people believe in the other.
  10. What do you think you have proved? That trigger is not belief. Having an irrational fear of hell does not mean you believe in god. It doesn't mean that in the slightest.
  11. Are you claiming that there is no trigger? There is most certainly a trigger.
  12. I notice that you keep starting your responses with stuff like, "hun, bro, buddy, mate, etc." It comes off as condescending. It certainly isn't helping your case. I think I can speak for most people here when I say that we're pretty good at knowing our position in the hierarchy and little stuff like that doesn't threaten it. I still don't understand your point. Are you now claiming that people who are afraid of dogs can't be atheists? You don't need to answer that. We both know it's silly. But, it also shows how silly your other claim is.
  13. "Can be rationalized" does not create a requirement that they must be able to be rationalized.
  14. This thought isn't clear. Can you elaborate on what you mean? I have no idea how to respond to it. Are we talking about irrational fears? Why would you try to carve out an exception for those irrationalities which are spiritual? Hell, spiritual fears are the poster child of irrational fears.
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