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Everything posted by fallenleaf

  1. Your story made my think of Penn's quote from above. Reading the bible is be fastest way to create atheists. Even today, my mother will admit that I know the bible much better than her. I've read it cover to cover more times than I care to admit, mostly because it was one of the few books I was allowed to read as a child and I read all the time.
  2. Welcome to the forums. While I definitely am happy to be open about my atheism, I totally understand the position you're in. Do what you need to do to get your life back together. You only need to be honest with yourself and any intimate partners who might become more than just a fuck buddy. The rest of the world doesn't need to know.
  3. When I came out of the atheist closet, my two closest friends stayed with me. One of them is now agnostic and maybe atheist. The other is quasi-religious but I am not sure if that's for the sake of his kids or not. In either case, it wasn't the end of the world. I did lose some friends, but I can now see that our friendship was based around being Christians in the same church and little else. I'm an atheist. I wear my flair here with pride. I spent a long time hiding who I was and investigating whether or not I could find another belief system (not really). We're here for yo
  4. Welcome. I don't remember the date, but I do remember the moment that I realized that I was an atheist. It was profound, and not exactly pleasant. But, I am glad it happened.
  5. "Yes, I think I use the term radical rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as atheist some people will say, Don't you mean agnostic? I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one...etc., etc. It's easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal and that it's an opinion I hold seriously." --Douglas Adams
  6. Yeah this isn't a choice. It is a fact. Someone who does not believe in god is an atheist. My son is an atheist, but he wouldn't call himself that. He doesn't think about the "official" term of what he is. He just doesn't believe in god, or really understand why others do. Yeah, I'm proud of him.
  7. Anyway. I think I am done discussing this with you. I wasn't responding to you, anyway. I was responding for those who will read this. So they realize that your position is indefensible and that they don't need to worry that they're not really atheists because they are still working through some irrational fears. Even if someone was to really believe in hell (which a fear of hell does not equate to a belief in it), they could still be an atheist if they don't believe in god. Those are two different beliefs. Both happen to be false beliefs, but belief in one does not require that people
  8. What do you think you have proved? That trigger is not belief. Having an irrational fear of hell does not mean you believe in god. It doesn't mean that in the slightest.
  9. Are you claiming that there is no trigger? There is most certainly a trigger.
  10. I notice that you keep starting your responses with stuff like, "hun, bro, buddy, mate, etc." It comes off as condescending. It certainly isn't helping your case. I think I can speak for most people here when I say that we're pretty good at knowing our position in the hierarchy and little stuff like that doesn't threaten it. I still don't understand your point. Are you now claiming that people who are afraid of dogs can't be atheists? You don't need to answer that. We both know it's silly. But, it also shows how silly your other claim is.
  11. "Can be rationalized" does not create a requirement that they must be able to be rationalized.
  12. This thought isn't clear. Can you elaborate on what you mean? I have no idea how to respond to it. Are we talking about irrational fears? Why would you try to carve out an exception for those irrationalities which are spiritual? Hell, spiritual fears are the poster child of irrational fears.
  13. Your definition is unique and restrictive. It's one that exists only in your own mind and seems designed to exclude as many people from being atheists as possible. Nothing in the definition of an atheist requires that they hold no irrational fears.
  14. You're not an atheist, so why would you presume you get to decide who is and isn't one? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to self-identify? And, if that is the case, and you aren't one, why would you presume to deny someone that identity?
  15. You disagree, but you are wrong. You have only proven that you're stubbornly resistant to changing your position. That's not really a point. And, it's probably not a great choice of places to rest. I am a true atheist. I was before you decided that. I already knew that. And, I can tell you, those others who don't believe in god are also true atheists. Even if they worry that they might be wrong about hell, or think that bad karma will change their future, or whatever other irrational fear they might have. If they don't believe in god, they are true atheists. You don't get
  16. It does not exist. I am saying that. I don't just think it's not real, it absolutely is not real. But, I welcome as brothers atheists who still worry about it. If someone does not believe in god, they are an atheist. Their irrational fears don't change that.
  17. I do not fear hell. I can't even recall the last time I worried about hell or even thought of it. Same as the fact that I can't recall the last time I thought there might be something spiritual out there. But, I was an atheist even before I shook the last vestiges of that belief system from my mind. And, as an atheist, I consider those who don't believe in god to be in the same group as me. How do I know it doesn't exist? Because it is absurd. It would be your burden (or whomever was trying to say hell was real) to provide some proof that it was. My job isn't to go around an
  18. You don't find many fundamentalist atheists, even those among us who are strong atheists and will assert that there is no god, not that we just don't believe in one. All or nothing sounds like a religious hangup that you have clung to.
  19. I don't think your "horror movie things really happen and roller coasters break" logic is nearly as sound as you seem to think it is. I have no idea how that supports your assertion. Humans have the ability to predict possible negative situations, and be anxious about them. Those situations never have to actually happen to cause those feelings, and the person never has to have experienced them to fear them. Your definition of atheism isn't aligned with the real one. The one where we don't believe in god or gods. Do you think atheists no longer enjoy ghost movies, because we kn
  20. Why not, though? And why do you get to decide what makes someone a real atheist or not? The human animal is well known for having a capacity for fantasy and speculation. We get scared by movies that we know are fake and we're actually very safe. We feel anxiety riding a roller coaster, despite knowing that it's safe and we're not going to die or get harmed. Why should flashbacks from years of conditioning invalidate our current understanding and deny someone from being an atheist?
  21. It doesn't offend me when people are wrong. There are tons of people who insist there is a God. They're wrong. You insist there are no atheists. You're equally wrong. It seems like you want to make agnosticism some sort of "correct" position. As if having some doubts makes you better. That's cute. But, I'm sorry that doesn't hold much weight with me. As for fear of hell, or any other sort of divine punishment or intervention, I have absolutely no fear or worries about it. I don't have any uncertainty or doubt about that. I think people who do are either still working on t
  22. Sure, message me any time. I am also on the discord too (Goat on there).
  23. I haven't been in EMT/Fire for very long, and I have already seen some things that could really mess with your head. I am not saying that you can't be successful, but you should consider whether it is something you can really do. And, if you can, you want to find healthy methods to cope with what you will see. Your plans for being a Ranger should keep you away from the worst of it. Continue to seek help, there's nothing wrong with help.
  24. It does get better. It takes time, but it does. This is not a permanent condition, just a temporary one.
  25. I always enjoyed XTCs Dear God
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