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  1. Elope, or just bypass the wedding and move in.
  2. There used to be a "blaspheme the holy spirit" thread somewhere on this board. Anyway, those who are so inclined to commit the unforgivable sin an join in as they see fit (I think you have to say it out loud for the incantation to actually work): "Jesus was the father of all demons, and his miracles were the works of a demon. " If you said it and meant it, you are now unforgivable. Damn! Another catch 22. How can you mean it when you don't believe any of the bullshit in the Bible to begin with!? Fuckers.
  3. But as an atheist, I don't actually believe in hell, so I don't see why I need to accept that I'm going to hell in order to deal with the inconsistency. I see your point about facing my fear, but I think there's a difference between facing a fear and accepting/believing that it will be realised... I think the former is healthy, but I don't know how to face a fear involving eternal suffering I don't mean that you should actually rationally believe in hell. Look, you are having this problem because you are not one person. None of us is. Although we have that illusion, everything we know about the way the mind works indicates we are really multiple persons, each taking turns being in control. The rational person has to convince the irrational one that hell is desirable. The rational person knows hell is a lie, but someone else in side you is irrational and doesn't know. That person can be convinced by the rational person that hell is the best option. Once s/he believes hell is good, you will no longer fear it.
  4. If all the shit they teach about god is true, it's hard to imagine hell is much worse than spending forever stroking the ego of an egomaniacle sociopath. Face your fear and you can conquer it. Rather than worrying you might be going, simply accept that you will, and embrace the horror. Besides, everyone who's anyone will be there in hell with you. Read books that expose the fiction for what it is. Through knowledge you can get past this. Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" is helpfull, as are books about the mind("How the Mind Works" by Steven Pinker), and the history of religion ("The History of God" by Karen Armstrong). When I was a cultist, my brain had been conditioned to accept all kinds of nonsense. I feared ghosts and couldn't stand being in a dark room unless my back was to a wall (never mind that ghosts can pass through walls in ghost mythology). After I apostized, I still had this irrational fear. I knew it was irrational, but yet, I made sure I had lights on until I was safely in bed (that the bed would provide safety against ghosts is also irrational of course, but this was a childhood fear I never grew out of). I feared demons in the same way - ghosts and demons were sort of the same thing to me. So, I decided to face my fears. I forced myself to walk around the house at night in the dark. If I felt something was right behind me, I would force myself not to turn to look, but instead to stop so that "it" could get me. Now I can wander freely in the dark, with only rare relapses.
  5. The trite answer is, quit believing in it. Of course, if you have not seriously considered the paradoxes of hell, this isn't really possible. So you are stuck. You must inform yourself or live in doubt. Investigate the history of your religion. Search in books and online about how is it possible for a just god to condemn people to infinite punishment for finite crimes. Think about how you would treat a disobedient child. Would you kill them infinity over for sneakng a cookie? If you love someone, would you torture them, or even ignore them, forever? The purpose of punishment is to reform. If you are punishing forever, then reformation does not enter the picture. What then is the purpose of the punishment? Sadism? Further, if god is self sufficient, then he does not want anything. Nor does he have emotions. None of it makes a fucking lick of sense if you are willing to think about it.
  6. Welcome loth! (I can call you loth, right?) Your situation is not tooo different from my own. I thought my wife was going to leave me shortly after breaking the good news that my mind had been cured of the mental virus that had plagued me since childhood. Unfortunately, she didn't take it as positive like I did. It's been a few years since then and we're still together. She's just as religious as she was, but we've mostly reached a point of peace on the subject. She goes to church and prays as much as she wants, and brainwashes the kids to her hearts content, and I play no role in it. When asked by my kids, I simply don't answer. She's not ready for total openess, but the refusal to talk about it I think answers their questions regardless. I would prefer to be open about it to them, and think one day I will be able to.
  7. Welcome anakinman! Most of the deconversion stories sound somewhat liek my own. Like you, personal tradgedy played a role in getting me to read the piece of horse shit known as the Bible. But the tradgedy did not cause my deconversion, the Bible did.
  8. Welcome Joe! I just spent about an hour reading through your site, very nice! I almost added your quote about ghouls gods and godesses to my to my sig, but it has a typo .
  9. You're right that writing your deconversion story is therapy. Dave, in his infinite wisdom, realized that and sent his only beggoten son Bruce... oh wait, wrong story. Glad to see you here!
  10. It will get better. That your husband is accepting it will be a big benefit. I've been an apostate for several years now, and my wife still can't seem to accept it. My story is similar in many ways to yours. I was Catholic most of my life, and in my latter 30s began to question. It started by reading the Bible a couple of times, which planted a seed of doubt. Then I began to question how my daughter's disabilities could possibly be so important to this omnipotent all loving god that he could not find another way. Then my faith hit philosophy head-on on the internet, and that was that. It was hard at first, but now I love it. The freedom is exhiliarating, and doubts no longer haunt me. If you have read Karen Armstrong, you are well on your way toward understanding how the concepts of gods arose, and why they are rediculous.
  11. On a positive note, I was once spotted reading "The Bible Unearthed" on a flight, and the guy next to me started talking about it. He asked me what it was about, and we started a religious conversation. He told me he wasn't very religious, and I told him I was an atheist and gave him some highlights from the book. You could see the weight lift off his shoulders as he realized, I think possibly for the first time, that others out there had totally abandoned their delusions, and perhaps he could do the same. It was weird on one hand, and at the same time, I was glad to see the light bulb light up for a fellow human. -hope he's doing well
  12. I have found that certain people shall remain in the dark, while others will not. It totalyy depends on how I expect them to react and whether or not they can be trusted not to go telling those on my untrusted list.
  13. I guess I'm still pealing the bandaid. It took about a year to slowly reveal it to my wife (she still hates it but is becoming more accepting). My oldest child sort of knows, but I dodge around it (and will continue to do so for now per agreement with the wife). My mother and siblings know, but I think my dad has his head burried in the sand. He has been careful not to ask, and I'm not going to bring religion up unless asked. A few coworkers who have asked know I'm "not religious", and a couple know I'm actually somewhat hostile toward religion. This has worked ok for me. I suppose I'd take the same approach if I faced the problem a second time.
  14. Yah, he just has to have faith in that. (runs for the door)
  15. Apostasy has done the same thing for me. I think that's what pisses me off the most about those wasted years. I didn't appreciate them as much because I had my eye on "the prize". What a waste. I am much less tolerant of BS now. Now that I no longer suffer the delusion that Jesus is coming any day, life has renewed importance.
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