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  1. Have we forgotten God, or has he forgotten us? On the subject of gun control, I find it hard to understand the average American's obsession with guns. The US firearm death rate is 9 per 100,000. Here in the UK it's just 0.22. It stands to reason that if it's easy to buy a gun, it's going to be easy for a mentally deranged person to get hold of one. I never understood the 2nd Amendment argument either. I mean, when did a US citizen last have to shoot a police officer or government official because of "tyranny"? They're living in a free, democratic nation, not communist China for crying out loud.
  2. I had a mental breakdown about 8 years back. That's what pretty much finished me off. However in a strange sort of way I still believe in God (I don't believe there can be any real morality without God - and note I said God, not religion!). I might even start reading scripture again. However I don't expect this to really change anything. If it does, I'll let you know.
  3. By the way, don't forget that Plato and Aristotle were living before Christ, so couldn't have been Christians anyway :-).
  4. If that is the case, then that is a limitation of the Piraha language, not that the Battle of Hastings didn't happen.
  5. Interesting video, but flawed in some respects. After all, the truth is the truth, whether people feel the need for anything spiritual or not. Did the Battle of Hastings happen in 1066? Of course it did - just because we're not in it or didn't witness it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. This man's reasoning is flawed, whether or not he believes in Christianity.
  6. Hi Oladotun, I know what it's like, as I'm in the same boat. All my family and extended family go to church, except me, but I am no longer concerned about it. After a few years of depression life gets easier to manage. I could never read the Bible again, I physically couldn't do it. Nor pray. Now, in some ways life is better. The striving, the endless pursuit of "God" is all over. I do not know what will happen, if anything, when I die. But I will live the rest of my life without fear. Christianity does indeed drive a lot of people insane. Best wishes, Jon.
  7. As has been pointed out, no-one chooses to go to hell. The idea is absurd in the extreme. As has also been said, there is no free will in the Bible. Romans 9 said God loved Jacob but hated Esau, before they had ever been born or done any good or evil, that His purpose according to election might stand - "not by works, but by Him that calleth", etc.... Consistent Christians would have to say that God chooses some for salvation, but "passes over" the rest by leaving them in their fallen state. Since no-one ultimately knows who is elect or reprobate until the last judgment, nobody can claim they haven't been chosen for salvation until they die without having experienced it. That is, apart from a few unlucky folk. Unfortunately some people like myself end up in a state of irremediable reprobation before death. I am talking about the sin against the Holy Ghost - breaking your conscience. Believe me, it happens (I went through it myself). If the conscience breaks down, it's all over. You will never feel any guilt again - only remorse. Because of my experience, one part of me thinks Christianity might be true. But there are so many problems with it that I wonder what to think. Taken to its logical conclusion, predestination means people like me would never have been saved. There can't be any 'if I did that it wouldn't have happened' kind of reasoning. One cannot make themselves elect. You either are or aren't. In the light of my own experience, Christianity sucks. I put in 30 years of prayer, Bible reading, pleading with God, striving and looking for a "new birth" experience. It never happened. I messed up big time. But since I was never elected in the first place, I was going to be damned anyway.
  8. Doing fairly well - thanks to those who asked. Back at work full time. It was a "physical" breakdown (something "blew" inside) and I can feel the after-effects. Just hoping for the best after death. In the meantime, I have to carry on. Jon.
  9. Hi all, thanks for the replies - I'm back! Jon.
  10. Thanks for that. I don't think I'll be seeing a shrink but things are improving with time. Jon.
  11. Some helpful responses, thanks. On the depression thing, the depression is a result of what happened but I would have thought that most people with depression don't get it as a result of a breakdown. The "breakdown of conscience" felt very much like a physical thing. Maybe "psychiatric injury" would be a better description, or "breakdown of consciousness". After the break, the "matter" which makes the consciousness complete drained away, leaving an empty shell. Although I am physically alive, I am not really alive to the world but in a sense have left it. Really I am already a dead man. The breakdown is not something I can fix, or I think that God can fix, since there is nothing to work with - no "inner conscious matter" which can feel. This means I am outside the sphere in which God can work. It's like there is a huge circle of consciousness - nearly all the human race within it, and the odd few people like me have stepped outside of it. After the breakdown, the first two weeks got harder and harder until I had to leave work. Most mornings I was waking up in sweat. I smelt death everywhere (how can I describe the smell of death?). After a couple of weeks the sweating wore off. Then one evening when I was reading the Bible I felt an evil presence move into me. This may sound crazy but I could smell a thick scent of sulphur emanating from my hands. I can't really explain it but it was a deep, odious smell. The smell of wrath? According to the Bible I'm in deep trouble: "...If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Rev 14. 9 - 11). And another verse: "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev 17. 5). Do I sound like a crazy lunatic? The smells wore off but the physical after-effects remain. If you want to believe they were delusions, I respect your point of view. Unfortunately for me the Bible doesn't allow this blasphemy without consequences: "..he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal damnation." (Mark 3.29) I can understand why a breakdown of consciousness would be described as "blasphemy". It's something which affects fundamental human nature. Christianity says people are made in the "image of God", which I always thought meant everyone had the "imprint of God" on them. Consciousness is this imprint. It is the consciousness which can be affected by the Holy Spirit (the "breath of God"). Hence if that degenerates one has effectively blasphemed against the Holy Spirit, because the Spirit can no longer affect the soul. I am of course filtering everything through my own understanding. I was raised in church and have not known any other teaching. I guess all I can do is continue and hope for the best when I die. Jon.
  12. Thanks for that metta. Although I have resisted the Spirit and ended up where I am now, it would be foolish to suggest that I actually chose to go to hell. Actually I didn't think I was heading for hell until it happened, by which time it was too late to do anything about it. Why is it that Christians say that everyone else "chooses to go to hell"? I don't know of anyone in their right mind who would choose to go there, but everyone makes unwise choices about other things. Christians cannot look down on other people and say they somehow "made the right choice" whilst other people didn't. This is simply absurd. Perhaps if someone else was in my position they'd end up doing exactly the same thing. People's choices largely depend on the circumstances in which they are living. Actually the Bible doesn't talk about not receiving forgiveness on earth, but rather that "every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or the age to come" (Matt 12. 31-32). The forgiveness spoken of is forgiveness from God, not from men. Jon.
  13. Thx for the replies. Interesting that All Gods Fail has had a similar experience, although I'd be surprised if it was exactly the same! The best I can do to explain it is that it felt like a breakdown of conscience - on a physical level. You might wonder how someone can 'break' their conscience but it is something that can happen over the course of only a few weeks. I had no idea I was in that kind of state until it happened, and now it's happened I can't reverse it. I felt like I had died inside. It's weird because I feel like I'm 'starting my life all over again'. Many of my memories from the past were simply erased in a single stroke. I think this is what the Bible means by the 'blasphemy of the Holy Ghost' because a loss of conscience would make someone no less than the devil incarnate. And the devil can never be forgiven. Apparently this is how Judas ended up - you might remember that verse in the Bible that says 'Satan entered into him'. I felt this at one moment. Jon.
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