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  1. 13 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

    Actually it's generations of butterflies....reasonably sure the butterflies that overwinter in Mexico don't

    make it back to Canada...


    That kind of relay is fascinating in itself. What compels them to come this far north?

  2. Weezer, it's entirely possible that a lot of trolls do have psychiatric conditions.  However, in the aggregate we are not mental health professionals and aren't in a position to provide help with any such conditions.  All we can do is tailor our responses according to our perceptions, and get the mods involved if things escalate.


    Personally, I suspect that SV is having us on -- and that he's also the reincarnation of a user banned from Ex-C four or five years ago (although the user name doesn't spring to mind).  There's something in the writing style that sounds oddly familiar to my ears.

  3. 3 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:


    I believe that's set from the mods. He's been restricted to the Lion's Den, and I think that's the icon (Instead of the Authentic Christian icon) that is used (I could be wrong though... I know nothing!). Reserved for religious folk who don't quite know who to read, comprehend, and follow forum posting rules.


    Generally when someone gets that particular icon, they're on borrowed time.  Either they cross a line that brings out the banhammer, or they flounce out of here because they don't like the icon.

  4. On 6/26/2020 at 1:30 PM, SilentVoice said:

    How does leaving the abundant food of leaves give them an advantage in competing for food? There are fewer flowers containing nectar than there are leaves to eat. Do you have any idea of the ratio between the mass of available leaves to eat for a caterpillar and the mass of itself? It could spend a million years eating leaves and still only eat a few trees worth of food. How does a caterpillar have to compete for food? None of them do. How does turning in to a butterfly give them an advantage? They have LESS food to eat and are more vulnerable to attack from predators. Spending time in a cocoon makes them even more vulnerable.


    You are utterly failing to explain the evolutionary purpose in question. No living species has a need to change in to another form, nor do environmental factors force it to happen.


    Butterflies have WORSE survival prospects. You have failed once again to defend your stupid theories.


    Butterflies are the means by which caterpillars can transport themselves over great distances.  This enables, for example, monarch butterflies to spend the winter in Mexico but come to my garden in Manitoba in June and July to eat from milkweed plants.


    And the butterflies just have to live long enough to lay eggs.  That's it.  That's all.


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  5. Just now, freshstart said:

    This coming from someone who has failed to defend his magical mythological beliefs with any credible evidence.


    Ah, but if SV actually thought about his beliefs he might start doubting them, and forfeit the eternal life that he never had in the first place.  :lmao:

  6. Just now, SilentVoice said:

    You are utterly failing to explain the evolutionary purpose in question.


    What purpose?  I clearly said that there isn't a purpose.  There is only an effect.


    (adds reading comprehension to the growing list of things SV needs to learn)

  7. 3 hours ago, SilentVoice said:

    Wait, was the purpose of evolution to survive, or to make it easier to be killed? Can one of you guys help me out?


    Evolution has no predetermined "purpose" at all.  It is an observation and explanation of something that happens naturally:  If an organism has even a slight advantage over others in the same environment, it out-competes them for food, reproductive mates and other resources, and goes on to produce more offspring.  This repeats with every generation:  Slight advantages eventually dominate, because the organisms with that advantage have better survival prospects.


    And there is literally nothing you can do about this, other than put your fingers in your ears and yell "La la la la I don't hear you!"

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  8. 3 hours ago, SilentVoice said:

    A heliocentric model supports the big bang theory, which supports potentially causeless and ultimately meaningless existence (atheistic world view).


    Meaningless?  No.  Meaning is a personal value and is subjective, not objective.  There is no one meaning to life; each is unique to an individual.


    And quite frankly, I can't conceive of anything more meaningless than being condemned to eternal existence (heaven, hell, insert mythology of choice) by a super-powerful being, rather than simply dying and staying dead.

  9. 3 hours ago, SilentVoice said:

    I feel sorry for you guys. But I still want to help.


    You're not capable of "helping" us in a way that we would actually want to be helped.  Cut your losses and shake the dust off your sandals.

  10. So, SV, come back in a few million years with your preliminary results to demonstrate that the amino acids have indeed degenerated.  We'll wait.


    In the meantime, I'm going to work out the probability that an eternal being more advanced than humans could spontaneously appear from nothingness, and create matter/energy without using {already existing} energy to work its magic.  My physics is a bit rusty, but IIRC there are no papers reporting gods being created from quantum fluctuations, and it's rude to claim credit for inventing something that was already there (in this case, matter/energy).

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  11. 5 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

    I have my suspicions about this as well.  I have attended the occasional 12 step meeting over the years.  On an online forum, with relative anonymity, I could easily stretch that into, "I often counsel with substance abuse victims."  Although technically true, the implication is vastly different from the reality.


    Similarly, just because I helped moderate a domestic violence forum at one time, it doesn't mean I have training equivalent to a registered psychologist or social worker.

  12. 12 hours ago, Georgia said:



    That's the devil talking to u, persuading you its not real!! Give it a shot regardless..  


    Well, that's rather presumptuous of you.  Do you have any evidence -- hard, testable scientifically rigorous evidence -- that this "devil" even exists?


    I say again:  I have no religious faith.  I cannot, and will not "give it a shot."

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  13. I work in healthcare in a behind-the-scenes capacity (no contact with patients) and am still going to the office.  Got fed up with the bus schedules being cut back, so for the past couple of weeks I've been walking to work and back again.


    My usual after-work activities have all been disrupted. No band rehearsals, no in-person astronomy gatherings or clarinet lessons or writer's group -- but we've managed to set up Zoom or Discord meetings to keep everyone in touch.  (Alas, there isn't enough Internet speed or bandwidth to allow for virtual band practice.  The lag time for forty people playing simultaneously would just result in cacophony.)


    Spending a lot less money because most stores are closed and restaurants are all take-out/delivery rather than eat-in.  I do miss not being able to hang out in coffee shops, though.



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  14. 13 hours ago, Georgia said:




    Do you mind explaining what you mean by not being able to feel it in a religious sense?  I find that really interesting :)


    I made the point about the story of faith but that is what is required of you. If you don't have that level of faith as described then you may not experience a full relationship with the father--- I say that with caution, I'm sure you all have your own stories on this. 




    I mean it in a literal sense -- I am neurologically and psychologically unable to suspend disbelief in order to see gods as real beings.  (It doesn't matter which god, either.)  I can't love them, hate them or otherwise care about them in any way.  If I try to talk to them, it is indistinguishable from my imagination in all respects.


    I cannot profess faith in something when my own brain is muttering "Yeah, right..." under its breath.  My amount of religious faith is zero, and has been this way for as long as I can remember.  I also can't have any relationship with "the father," as it simply isn't real to me.  It doesn't matter what is "required" of me.  It isn't going to happen, and I have no good reason to try to make it happen.

  15. 12 hours ago, Georgia said:

    It's horrible- I can't pretend that's it's not. But that doesn't mean it's not true, because you don't like how it sounds.



    Neither does it mean that it *is* true.  There is no credible evidence for life after death, nor is there any evidence for heaven or hell.  From my point of view, it's all delusion and psychological manipulation that has been foisted upon society for thousands of years, and can simply be ignored.



    But can we be clear, the wages of sin is death- not an eternity of burning in hell fire. Yes you enter the Lake of Fire but you will not burn for an eternity. This something the catholics used to get people to pay their way out of hell. 


    The principle is the same as we live by on earth- commit a crime and you are punished. You go to prison and cant you even still receive the death penalty in the US? 


    I live in Canada.  We abolished the death penalty decades ago.


    There is nothing whatsoever that justifies a god reviving someone in order to kill them again.  That is obscene.

  16. 9 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

    You're probably right A.  It's about trust, a Biblical concept.  And the Bible makes the analogy that the church is a woman, imagine that.  But to your comment, you "dumped a spouse"...broke trust essentially because you didn't have the wherewithal to not break your word.  Call me what you wish, but yeah, it's mutual thanks to many women with this same mindset.   


    The vow was broken long before I made my move -- adultery, financial abuse, verbal abuse.  Kindly refrain from judging people when you don't know the first fucking thing about their personal experiences.

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  17. 8 hours ago, Georgia said:


    Hey Geezer! 

    I am suprised to see that so many ex-christians are not familiar with the notion of faith.


    Oh, I assure you that I am familiar with the notion of faith.  I'm just not able to feel it in a religious sense.



    Yes, you believe without seeing all of the facts. I presume you all have read the bible, even people who apparently witnessed miracles that "christ" performed...


    I see those stories as fictional, not historical.



    What is a "rational path" to God?


    Encountering a god-like being in the real world, not in events or thoughts or stories but the actual being itself.  Anything else can be misconstrued, imagined, or faked.

  18. 9 hours ago, Georgia said:


    [Hell is] a horrible horrible thought I know, but so is decaying into the ground and ceasing to exist after everything with no purpose. 


    No, the concept of hell is definitely worse.  Once we're dead, brain science strongly suggests that we simply don't experience any of the things happening to our bodies.  In order for us to experience hell, your god would have to deliberately reconstruct the neural networks that existed in our physical bodies and that died with us.  That is utterly inexcusable -- reviving someone specifically to torture them.

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  19. 9 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

    I don't think strength was my point....or mental fortitude, or intellect.....as I stated.  I'm pretty strong but there is a young lady in my gym that can squat and deadlift more than me.  My point was the gist of Genesis 3:16....pain in childbirth, your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.  I'm not sure I have ever witnessed a young woman that is not looking for a husband as her number one occupation.  Then, I watch self-declared "strong women" ultimately need assistance.....house building, business building, something, and then again, ultimately turn towards a relationship.  There are certainly exceptions, but that verse holds pretty true.


    Genesis 3:16 is BS.  It doesn't take much in the way of observing other humans over thousands of years of civilization to realize that human females regularly experience pain in childbirth.  It has nothing to do with your god cursing them, and everything to do with the fact that human babies have comparatively larger heads in proportion to the mother's hips.


    I dumped a spouse because, in addition to being childish and narcissistic, he was also fucking useless at providing assistance.  He ran a business into the ground after financing it with my money.  I paid 99+% of the mortgage payments on my first house.  I am now sitting in my second fully-paid-off house, which I am renovating without male help, absolutely overjoyed to not be in a relationship.


    Perhaps you don't know any women who don't fit your stereotype because they smell the misogyny on you and steer clear of you.  I, for one, wouldn't bother with someone with your attitude, and suspect that the feeling is mutual.

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