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  1. Brings to mind Matthew 10:35-37 and Luke 12:51-53. One prophecy that ~has~ been fulfilled :-( Why would anyone willingly buy into that?
  2. "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." ~Sheng Ts'an

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    2. khdetw


      Well, I don't enjoy it. But I guess that question is definitely above my pay grade :-/

    3. Deidre


      Suffering has some redeeming qualities. Oh crap or is that dogma from my Xtian days?! :-P

    4. khdetw


      If Palin is inevitable, suffering is not optional.


  3. Your husband is optimistic and positive I'm guessing because he's deluded that you will one day be "saved" again. That's exactly how my mom handles my atheism - god (SIC) bless her. So can you - with truth on your side - lighten up and do likewise? Believe that he will one day open his mind to reason and enlightenment? It does often seem that the opiate of religion gives its adherents an extreme positive outlook. That's why it's so hard to break free. There are withdrawl symptoms. The path of enlightenment can do this too, without the denial of reality. Ultimately a better choice IMO.
  4. "I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." ~ Albert Einstein

    1. Deidre


      I like that quote!

  5. "When I assume you are stupid You will do something I don’t understand And I will get angry. When I assume you are wise You will do something I don’t understand And I will get stronger." ~ Leonard Cohen

  6. Tears are sometimes an appropriate response to life, growth, and change all of which are accompanied by pain. I'm not suggesting anything because I don't know you or your family but a few thoughts come to mind. In a way it sounds like your husband is handling things better than you are - OTOH we only sense that because of what ~you~ have said here ... so you already have the answers within you. Personally I'm no longer married and my kids are raised so I don't have those pressures. I highly value the time that's been restored to my weekends by not attending church. Several loved ones, incl
  7. You and her family gave your wife empathy and non-judgemental love which surely made her too-short life more blissful. Sounds like the irrational ideas from the church distracted her from finding real answers. Sad indeed. Thanks for sharing.
  8. I came across this today. I expect you'll like it. Hope I'm not fanning the flames (well maybe just a little) ;-) http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/just-asking-questions-creation-edition/
  9. So many awesome responses. It's humbling to be in the presence of some of you. I wish I had found this forum about 40 years ago, would have made my path a lot smoother but I digress. Of course it could fall apart and has for many families in your situation (mine included). If that happens you will be ok although I know it doesn't feel that way. But I sense that you are going to achieve the kind of open balanced relationship that many here have spoken of. Many (most?) families struggle with such issues at some level and most don't do it very well. You have a real chance to break that pattern. I
  10. Welcome. You are very mindful for your age. Many of us struggled much longer to arrive where you are. The issues with family will probably never go away but always remember you are free, they are constrained by an absurd religion. So you don't have to respond to absurdity in like manner. Depression and stress are killers. Even moreso - longing for things to be other than they are. You recognize that you have issues with depression and have taken decisive steps away from it - that's a huge positive. But don't take it lightly, it can re-emerge and really set you back. I suggest reading everythi
  11. I should be pleased that Christians and Muslims are better than their religions. Nice thought - that's an enlightened view towards those you need to love (or at least like) who are still Christians.
  12. Steps 1-3 seem representative of the absurd "intellectual gyrations" Christians go through to try to rationalize the irrational things they're convinced they have to believe. Having escaped that childhood indoctrination and knowing how hard it is (as many here do) it's fightening to recall that as ridiculous as they obviously are, these things didn't seem absurd at all from the inside. I would not call it cowardly, as much as insideous on the part of those who are intellectually capable of knowing better and perpetrate those ideas for personal gain. It is disgusting how they are willing to tot
  13. Plus you get to know some of the other shoppers who you'll be spending eternity in Hell with
  14. Hi Deva. It seems our paths have some similarities. It's interesting how the "hooks" still show up sometimes even after all these years. And isn't it nice to be able to discover instead of battling quilt for asking questions!

  15. Thanks - I did that, but I can't figure out how to unhide them again (having second thoughts). I got to thinking, if I can't tolerate the religious incantations from people who are considered friends, I'm being just as narrow as they are. That's what I want to get away from! It's who they are after all. If you scroll down to the bottom of your news feed (and make sure it's news feed, NOT live feed), you'll see a button on the bottom right that says "Edit Options." Click it, and it will bring up a list of the applications/contributors that you have blocked from your feed. Beside each is
  16. Regardless of what Paul wrote or how its interpreted, whether he rose from the dead or not has no bearing whatsoever on the wisdom of Christ's teachings although it exemplifies the way the cult mentality of Fundamentalist Christianity coerces acceptance of things that are clearly mythical as facts (even at the expense of real facts). FWIW Since leaving I'm seeing lots more value in Christ's teachings than I could see then. The simple wisdom he presented was obscured by the absurdities that had to be accepted.
  17. Thanks - I did that, but I can't figure out how to unhide them again (having second thoughts). I got to thinking, if I can't tolerate the religious incantations from people who are considered friends, I'm being just as narrow as they are. That's what I want to get away from! It's who they are after all.
  18. Seriously (too), this is a fantastic thread! Since I stopped going to church, a couple of decades ago now, I often contemplate all the things I've done that I would have missed had I wasted nearly half of my time off each week listening to stale sermons with no chance for intellectual stimulation or dialog. I often go canoeing or hiking, motorcycling or bicycling, meditate, sleep in and have sex, or - a favorite - read up (usually on the Internet) about a topic just because it interests me, not for any other reason.
  19. Hey Holly! Thanks for that imagery. There's nothing like having great sex with your ex(Christian lover) while watching the likes of Jerry Falwell. I used to work for the dude in another life so that makes even kinkier ;-)
  20. I hear all of you! I just added a bunch of friends to my facebook account, people I know from work or school mostly. It's amazing how many of them can't post anything without framing it in the context of an imaginary being. But you don't dare point that out if you want to have any social life. This one gave me a big laugh. _NAME_REMOVED_ is asking for prayers for a friend in an "unspoken prayer request". Please, my fellow Christain (SIC) brothers and sisters, lift up a friend in prayer. Though, you don't know the details, God does. um ... so, God[TM] already knows and could fix
  21. Litha, I agree. I was about to say something like that. You said it much nicer than I would have. It's tempting to come up with a witty reply to such absurdities, forgetting that we once said similar things. Often these are passing comments to which the person gives little thought as to the real meaning. If I think about it at all, I try to recall how I felt when I said it. The more enlightened I become the more I realize that there are universal truths behind the myths Xians believe. Ironically (or maybe not), when I believed in the myths I couldn't see the truths they point to as c
  22. This strikes a chord with me, having recently emerged from raising two teens. It seems like something is lost when we approach parenting (or life) from a perspective of absolutism. We discover only as as we travel the path. I come from a fundy family so I experienced parenting from that perspective. Above all, I did not want to burden my children that way. I have a sense of the value gained through their associations with older peers of which I was peripherally aware, but I kept at "arms length". I knew they were learning what they "needed to know" about life in their generation. Mu
  23. I expect your co-worker may have a lot more to worry about the the next few years. In the cases I've observed, teenagers seldom respond positively to repression tactics to impose a religious conviction on them. But in many cases, when they take matters into their own hands and rebel they come out stronger for having done so (if they survive). I'd be willing to bet this person is also opposed to sex education to give her daughter a chance of learning how to be responsible with her sexuality. -- Ken
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