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    Trying to live without malice or fear.

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  1. Welcome Mikefight. I can understand that this is a difficult time for you. I'm truly sorry that your wife has made an assumption that since you are no longer Christian, you are no longer moral. Any major change for one spouse can be seen as a threat to the relationship by the other. I have had firsthand experience of this. (Although not with matters of religion; my wife knew I was not a Christian long before we were married.) I believe that if you still share the same values, even though those values are no longer rooted in Christianity, things will improve with time. I hope your situation improves and this turbulent period passes quickly.
  2. CelloChick Wow. I can't add anything to what has been said so eloquently by others about your spirit and strength. I'm humbled to be in such company. Welcome to the forums.
  3. Welcome Jella. I'm terribly sorry that you had to experience such pain. My personal belief is that who you love and how, as long as it not a child or animal, and is done with mutual consent, is nobody's business. I'm married to a wonderful woman, and I see no reason not to extend marriage to the homosexual community. I hope that you can find healing and encouragement here. We truly do support one another.
  4. Hail and Well Met! Welcome to the forums! I was, (and am), a pagan when I met my wife who is a born again Christian. (Though not so's you'ld notice.) I explained my religion to her and she was cool with it. (That's why she's my wife now ) My step daughter is also Christian (20 yrs old), and we have butted heads. Since I have no young children I can't advise you. From your post, you appear to be an intelligent and thoughtful individual and I'm sure you'll find a way to address the situation. Again - welcome!
  5. Hey Eccles: I too made my escape from the Catholic Church. Never had the abuse you mentioned, but it sure played with my head. I still have bouts of insomnia. The fear of hell idea has been kicked around these forums, you may want to do a search. For myself, no one has brought back a glowing coal or an ounce of soot from the place. No cloven hoofprints of "Satan" either. To me it's a doctrine of coercion designed to grab the parishoner by the ankles and shake all the money out of his pockets. I went so far as to request a formal excommunication from the church. The only thing I have to do is write a letter asking for my baptismal record to be expunged. Welcome to the forums. Glad you survived. We're here if you need us.
  6. While being very Wiccan based, WitchVox has great information, including material on how to protect yourself. I've been pagan for some time now and am still thinking, growing, learning, (evolving - heh ) take everything with a grain of salt and please try to avoid those who come of as "more pagan than thou". Seems in Wicca, (I'm a wierd amalgam of Wiccan beliefs), there are those who are in it for the ego stroke. If your B.S. meter starts to redline, move on fast.
  7. Welcome to the forums. It takes a great deal of courage and mental discipline to examine what you were brought up to belive. I'm glad that you have a good relationship with your family, and I hope that continues. This is definately the place for understanding and support, and I hope you stay and add your point of view.
  8. Well. I was born on June 6, 1966 - living through the first "Omen" release was real fun... As far as the book of Revelation goes, according to Christian tradition, it was written by the Apostle John on the island of Patmos, (part of Greece). Though the aerliest copies of the book extant make it impossible for him to have written it. The Catholic bible I have had a preface that it was written as resistance literature at a time when Christians were being persecuted and it was meant to encourage the community by telling them that Jesus would return and punish the sinners and reward the faithful. According to that bible (I was raised Catholic), it is *not* meant to be taken literally. (After all it depicts Christ as having a sword coming out of his mouth, along with other grotesque images.) Personally, for anyone to have come up with those images, I think they had to be mentally unstable. Folks have been predicting the "end times" since we've had "times" they've all been wrong so far, and there's nothing for me to think they're right this time I've heard about how "all the signs are there". Okay... When was the last time there wre NO wars, NO earthquakes, NO violent storms, NO starvation, NO drought, and NO disease? With modern media, you just hear about it faster. Hope this helped.
  9. Welcome to the boards! Even coming to the point you have in your beliefs takes tremendous courage, and you should feel proud that you are beginning to think for yourself instead of blindly following what you were/are told. Mr. Grinch gave excellent advice. I would just add that you don't have to make your mind up about what you're going to believe right away; and it's okay to change your beliefs as you grow. If you can gain intellectual freedom, then that is the first step in escaping the "trap". Be gentle with yourself. Again, welcome.
  10. Kurari: I'm new here as well. Like you, I was picked on as a kid and never quite fit in. What seemed to work for other's never did for me. It took a lot of courage to go through the self-examination to bring you where you are, and you should be proud of that. You mentioned you had a change of personality after your deconversion, that you made friends even though you were "wierd". I believe you are an individual and different and that most folks will see that as "wierd". Big difference. Welcome to the site.
  11. I am definately enjoying life more. 1. I no longer worry that some vengeful "God" is going to toast me like a marshmellow if I eat a steak on Friday. 2. No more confessing my "sins" to a bored priest who hands out the same "Three Our Fathers, Three Hail Marys and now recite an act of contrition." for everything. 3. Less money in collection plate = more money in my pocket. 4. Guilt free sex! (Need I say more?) 5. The ability to relate to the divine as I see fit with no intermediary and stand before it unbowed by guilt, and without fear as a free person. 6. No longer have to be a self-righteous prick who looks down their nose at other faiths, or those with no faith at all as being hellbound and trying to convince them of the error of their ways. Sure, I have residual scars. But I'm getting better, not worse.
  12. I stumbled on this forum at work and couldn't view it. Now that I've read it, it sounds pretty close to my story too.
  13. Tropical I can empathize with you. It took me a very long time to arrive where I am, and I'm not finished travleing yet. I have to agree with others who have posted when they told you to read and think. I would only add that I would like you to be gentle with yourself. Becoming fully human is a tough job. If you find that you can't follow the Christian path, and that you have a different way of loving from the majority you find yourself surrounded by, that's okay. As long as your belief system and your way of loving doesn't damage another human being. (And I'm not talking about people who are intolerant of your choices.) Take your time, use your head, and be confident that no matter what you choose the people who truly care about you will continue to care about you.
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