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  1. 1 hour ago, florduh said:

    I'm convinced it's a purely political/religious stance in every instance. The numbers are in and the safety and efficacy of the vaccines are undeniable unless overridden by political/religious agenda.


    I have one of "those" neighbors who unsurprisingly caught COVID and continued to test positive for two months. A month later she was still unable to take her daily walks and was still having trouble breathing. When asked if she might not now get the vaccine she snapped to fiery attention and exclaimed, "NO! The vaccine has side effects!"


    All you can do is shake your head and laugh.







  2. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/


    "Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, at least 43 were fully vaccinated, the Texas Department of State Health Services said.

    That means 99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated."


    According to the article 75% of the 43 vaccinated people who died of covid were already fighting an  underlying condition like heart disease, lung disease, cancer. 




  3. On 10/22/2021 at 1:08 PM, Edgarcito said:

     I can't accept something created and injected in my body from crooks, people I don't trust. 




    I have no idea who makes most of the stuff I put in my body (medicine, food, drink). If it's from the medical community it must be crooked, though. Except for all other medications, some of which also come from Pfizer, Moderna, J&J. Those medications are AOK. As a matter of fact, any medications produced prior to 2020 are AOK, and any non-covid vaccines manufactured prior to and after 2020 are AOK. It's just those covid vaccines that we dont trust. 


    Dr. Fauci, in fact, upstanding citizen in the doctoring world for like 50 years, prior to being the bringer of bad news to the president in 2020, suddenly is evil and sinister to a group of people who are so averse to 'change' that they just deny reality altogether. The CDC and WHO, also agencies that nobody pays any mind to for the most part before covid, boom, 2020, instantly become evil doers. 



  4. 22 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

    The Covid vaccine mandate and religious exemption made me think of my conversations here at ExC.  What I am understanding is the mandate crowd is basing religious exemption off of an objective standard....i.e. aborted fetal cells?  I'm thinking an individual should be able to claim religious exemption with no objective stance necessary.  Granted I haven't looked into the arguments at all, but this one hit me broadside and I thought to myself, I have to ask my buddies at ExC.  Hope everyone is well.


    "Give me a big mac and fries....but I dont want to defile my body with that covid vaccine." (haha)


    I think there was a "mark of the beast" type objection as well...except they dont stab you in the forehead or the hand with a syringe....just the arm. 


    Hope you got your shots...I got mine. :) 


  5. 21 minutes ago, pantheory said:

    Yeah midniterider, good point. Because you say you object on religious grounds that's probably not enough. One would probably have to explain in detail, and also their church also would have to hold the same position in an open statement in opposition to required vaccination. I don't think the US mandate will hold up against many formal, challenging arguments, a number of which are constitutional and not religious.


    Even if the US mandate gets shot down in court I don't think it will hurt Biden much since US public opinion leans in his direction, from what I read.





    "As a practicing Catholic, I think the moral balance of indirectly benefitting from an abortion that occurred 50 years ago in order to take a vaccine that will prevent further death in the community is a no-brainer – especially considering that so many of the over 620,000 American deaths have occurred in the most vulnerable and marginalized in our society. We need to focus on saving lives right now. We need to care for our neighbors. 

    The Vatican and bishops agree. The Vatican has issued clear guidance that permits Roman Catholics in good faith to receive COVID-19 vaccines that use fetal cell lines in development or production. Read the Vatican's comments on the morality of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. "


    The Catholics would rather not lose members of the flock. I guess the fundys dont mind thinning their own herd. 



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  6. 7 hours ago, walterpthefirst said:







    If this goes in the worst case scenario it will make the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004 (227,898 dead) look like a picnic.


    Imho, the geopolitical fallout from this will be very bad indeed.


    The US Atlantic seaboard will be severely affected leading to a major economic and political destabilization of America.  The power vacuum left behind by a weakened US will be filled by China and Russia, who will be unaffected by the disaster.   America will be forced to switch its political, economic and military focus away from the Pacific and back home, leaving China to expand unopposed.  


    On the religious front, the evangelical right will claim that this catastrophe is god's punishment for America not adhering to the biblical principles it should be governed by.  Extremist Islamic organisations and governments will also be unaffected and they will ramp up their terrorist activities too.


    In my estimation, if the Cumbre Vieja goes this will be bad news for western liberal democracies everywhere.




    Thank you.






    Are you a fortune teller? 

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  7. I'm not sure why Christians find it unacceptable to sincerely call God out on stuff that makes no sense if he were in control and cared about us. Just sincerely ask him why? And when there is no answer they have to make up something about why there is no answer.  

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  8. 3 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

    People have to want it. They have to analyze the issues with an open mind. If they want to get anywhere in the process of trying to seek out truths. It requires engaging the debates. Reading and learning. Challenging claims. And intellectual honestly. 


    Challenging your own fear-based indoctrination is difficult. And I think that could be where he's at. His mind understands that bible god aint that great, but his emotional side wont allow him to have the thought 'god is fiction'. 


    He was in a rush to get his account cancelled, like maybe God wont know he's been here? 


    Sure he can crawl back and 'pretend' to love Jesus... Jesus, his emotional jailer. I hope he asks Jesus some hard questions, though. I think everyone here was helpful. Whether he likes it or not, he has some food for thought. And if logic can eat through the beliefs of the 'Almighty' and produce nonbelievers, what's that say about the weakness of Jesus and faith?

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  9. 6 minutes ago, blah said:

    pretty much if I beg my daddy who claims to be good and he doesn't answer (minus all the mysterious ways stuff which doesn't help what I am referring to) then i don't know how he could expect me to trust him, and jesus, who became man could never experience that feeling so he really doesn't know what it's like


    Makes sense. How could you trust him? 


    A God man probably couldnt understand his own creation, not really being one of them. 

  10. Just now, blah said:

    obviously my questions are more about the character of said creator


    What are your thoughts about the creator? If he doesnt want to appear, speak , and allows evil? I know what mine are. 

  11. 37 minutes ago, blah said:

    about what i expected, i'll go be lost elsewhere, sheesh


    What exactly were you hoping ex-believers would say?


    Your parameters:


    "There is a creator. You will never convince me otherwise."

    "These are parameters I'll converse in, please keep it there. I'm not here to argue or sway."



  12. 4 hours ago, blah said:

    So, I know there is a creator.  D.N.A. is more than just words, it is highly complex, 3 dimensional, multi-coded and communicative microscopic matter that uses matter to shape highly designed animate objects.  This must be formed in an instant.  It is in all things living, even the so-called simplest forms.  It is not like a cake that can be made over the course of a few hours, or an engine for an automobile that can be fashioned over a period of time.  Every single bit of the millions upon multiplied millions of instructions and capability to perform said instruction must be altogether at once, or it all falls apart fast.   There are many other things that point to design and GREAT intellect and power, but this is one of the most overlooked facts that living beings are ignorant of or choose to mud-over.


    So, those of you that want to tell me there is no god, please, don't.  I notice that many claim there is no god out of some rationality, which I respect, but emphatically do not agree with.  I believe that many that think there is no god are smarter than I.  I am not here for that exercise or lesson.


    I'm agnostic. There may be a God. I just dont think he/it necessarily aligns with the loving personality of the God as described in the bible or Christianity in general.  


    4 hours ago, blah said:


    I am here because no matter how much I ask or beg him or try to believe the good parts of his word or try to do his will, my life and this world do not seem to match up with being cared for by a god that loves me so much he would pay the price for all my sin -Forgetting the fact that he allowed or caused me to be born in sin.  I don't mean that to say my actions are not my responsibility, I mean that if I am conscious of my sin, understand why they would be a sin, and try not to do them knowing that the price for them can only be paid for and forgiven by said god, why do I not even 'feel' loved by him who loved me so much he died for me, yet won't even say hi.  Yes there are times when you can enjoy the wonder and marvel of it all, but it is fleeting and not enough to trust in for eternity.


    Yes, we still have murder, rape, child sex trafficking, seemingly under the watch of what Christians say is a loving God. How does that work? It reminds me of Epicurus:

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

    ― Epicurus


    4 hours ago, blah said:


    god in his word, makes comparisons about how much more he loves us than an earthly father does, yet children get hit by cars frequently.  Any earthly human that claims to be a father would make every effort to stop that from happening, forget free will.  A father would break his own bones and maybe some of his child's to knock them out of the way of a car.  My problem is I know that the god that made just d.n.a., nevermind the universe, has the power to do this.  Unless he is diminished in power, then his claim to good fatherhood is null.  Yes there is a verse for everything in the bible, like 'in this world you will have trials and sorrows,' but to me that is just a long list of things that maybe even god himself just said to cover everything.


    If his claim to good fatherhood is null, is he worthy of praise? If he allows innocents to suffer or die, is he worthy of praise? If he 'loves' us but never communicates, is he worthy of praise? Why or or why not?


    4 hours ago, blah said:


    To be clear, I want goodness, and have totally admitted I need salvation, and will go so far as to say that god is the only alternative and I don't want to burn in hell.  It just really seems like maybe god didn't get the whole picture by 'ALL KNOWING observation and being sort of human for 33 years.


    Oddly enough, I am here for help with this, since I am honestly seeking it.  If you attempt to help, not hurt, remember, you WILL NOT convince me there is no god.


    If God lets his creations burn in hell , is he worthy of praise? If he lets good people who dont believe in him burn in hell, is he worthy of praise? 


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  13. 4 hours ago, alreadyGone said:

    When words begin to be used to generalize and imply something other than what they actually mean, the truth becomes distorted.

    In effect, it's a form of propaganda.





  14. 23 minutes ago, DarkBishop said:


    You haven't posted in a few days. Have you already grown bored with us? It would be nice to have a more in depth conversation with you, where both sides glean information from each other. 


    Ex-Christianity: Where you can roll your own beliefs about God and heaven...and not have to feel bad about yourself. 

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