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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
  1. At my work there are about 3 men in their 50's who are going through the Christian thing. I'm still in my twenties. I look at them and think to myself, "I went through as a teenager what they are going through at 40 and 50 and I've already come out of it, while they have yet to". Not to be prideful, but it's a good feeling that I'm 30 years ahead of them. Imagine some of the people that deconverted after retirement. They literally gave their entire lives to Christianity. Now they can never get them back. I don't know how old you are, but you sound young. You have you're whole life ahead of you. Your dreams can still be realized. And if they've been lost, you have times to dream up new ones. So can I. Isn't that great?
  2. InsepectoGeneral- According to this verse Christians can and do fall away. Not only that, once they fall away they are unredeemable. Hebrews chapter 6 4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, becauseto their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
  3. Sorry about that. Nope, I was included the bulk of trailer-park Christians that keep guys like that afloat through their donations. Funny how , despite the sexism and patriarchy of the bible, it's mostly the women that carry on the tradition.
  4. Wow, this is a really good (but heartbreaking) thread. As for me, diddo to almost everything above. While a Christian I went through the whole shabang. Depression, panic attacks, ect. ect. I had fairy good self-esteem when I went to my grandmother's liberal quaker church. It was when I started hanging with the pentecostals that things got really bad. On my mother's side of the family (who are all pentecostal), every single person has some kind of mental health issue. My grandmother was raped by her father when she was 6 years old. She was married off at the age of 15 to my grandfather. My grandfather would get drunk and beat her severely in front of her children. After a few years of this she walked down to a river, where she had resolved to kill herself by drowning. She said at this point Jesus appeared to her and said, "Put your life in my hands". Ever since then, she's been a faithful church woman. I feel sorry for her. So I wouldn't try to deconvert her unless her beliefs were causing her serious pain. Obviously, being treated like a man's toilet her entire life pushed her to the edge. And she had to believe that someone loves her purely and unconditionly in order to keep going. I know the only reason she wakes up in the morning is because she thinks, "Jesus loves me". Even though her intentions were good, the damage she did by indoctrinating all her children into fundamental holiness pentecostalism are huge. All her daughers had "arranged" marriages, and are divorced today. My mother lived a reckless and promiscuous lifestyle until she was in her 40's in rebellion of her extremely strict upbringing, causing extreme damage to my immediate family. Two of my uncles ended up being child molesters, and I think two might have some mild form of mental retardation. You look at people like that (my grandmother) and it's easy to think that they are all a bunch of monsters. I try to remind myself that they are trying to meet extremely deep unmet needs, and have some compassion and understanding. I agree with several of the above points. Especially the fact that most fundamentalists don't plan for the future. Who needs to put away money for their kids' college education, the rapture's coming! Who needs life insurence, the rapture's comings! Who needs to invest in buying a house, the rapture's coming! Is it any wonders Christians are on the lower half of the socio-economic scale.
  5. You could get a job working on Sundays.
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