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    In July of 14, realized I was on the atheistic side of the theist atheist line.

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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
    Another atheist here, so none.
  1. Directionless: These are very good questions, ones that I can answer. 1) I would say what I like most about Church is the fellowship, either before of after the service, with at least some of the other folks there. I do also like to consider if there is a deeper meaning of life, as well as a connection with others, past and future as well as the present. 2) The least pleasurable is my disagreements with orthodox christianity, and where a creed is said, saying that, for I know that even if I can affirm god in a non traditional way, it would be contrary to the creeds. 3) There
  2. Dear ExCBooster: I am somewhat envious of you, that you were raised outside of Church. I sometimes wish I had done what my siblings did, and when they became of age, quit going to Sunday School, and never started attending worship. But since I chose differently back then, I cannot change that. It is not the theology that is hard for me, but that so much of my self identity is tied to going to Church. We shall see in time.
  3. Deva's comments are very insightful. She is right. There isn't any other institution in our (western) society that appeals to as many aspects of life as organized religion does. I would never attend a church that is Christian per se, but I might consider checking out the UU church just from curiosity. However, just thinking of being in a churchy atmosphere of any type sort of weirds me out -- such as attending a wedding or a funeral or some other event that isn't a worship service. My experience with Christianity was both deep and broad. I was more into the faith than the church culture. I
  4. As one who is an atheist, but cannot shake off Church completely (I am almost like an old addict who knows that drugs are wrong, but cannot quit, and like it when the young can get out), I wonder if you quit going to Church first and then realized you were atheists, or if you became an atheist first, and then as a result quit going to Church. I really think that if and when I am able to quit going to Church, I can fully embrace my atheism. Thanks in advance.
  5. I will admit that I spent more than a decade in No. 3, but I think it is a bit unfair to refer to it as cowardly. Actually for the whole of the about 2000 years of Xtianity, it has been more of Xtianites as opposed to Xtianity. I will admit that if my views on who and what god is, I could have remained a Xtian Universalist. I deconverted for other reasons.
  6. I realize that my attempt to see god in an nontraditional way was wrong, and that I am in fact an atheist.

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    2. moanareina


      It is weird when you end up there but it also feels good to finally just be real with it. At least that's how I feel and I too was trying to find a way to relate to God in a non traditional way just to find that I am better off to stop that quest and just be what I am...an atheist.

    3. atkegar


      Thanks to both of you. Of course, certain forms of Liberal Xtianity are based on nontradional views of god. Now to extract myself from organized religion.

    4. Deidre


      But, you make a good point. Maybe when we're so used to a religion as a part of our lives, the thoughts of there being no god is a daunting thought, so you try to search for any other form of a god that might seem possible.

  7. I have been back and forth between theism and atheism for about the last year and a half, but I think I have been looking for alternative views of theism so I can stay in liberal Christianity. I do realize that because of 6 that brought about 5 that I am basically an atheist. Now to become completely nonreligious.
  8. That's okay. I have a very progressive Christian sister who really loves her church and the friends and community involvement she has there. If you're going to pick a church, a church like this seems like the best option. They seem to be super inclusive at least, and not obsessed with denying basic human rights to others. Start my addition.Thanks RaLeah. I am trying to figure out if I am closer to you, or your sister. There is a part of me that wants to accept that I am mostly already an atheist. Oh well. End of my addition. I'd sort of noticed it through the years, but t
  9. RaLeah, thanks for your thought provoking post here. I wish I was as confident as you that it is all bullshit, but I tend to be drawn to the more progressive forms of Christianity (some of whom ordain and not just welcome GLBTQ folks.). Oh well.
  10. Galien: How I resonate with your comment. I know in my head that there is no god, but I still want to find something that I can call god. To Margee, all I can say is that I know how much it sucks, and hope your negative thoughts get less soon. atkegar, Hopefully, we will all continue to stick together in this and help each other out when we get down in the dumps or 'triggered' by something that reminds us that we can still be caught in the 'web' of Christianity. This is one hell (excuse the pun!) of a website for getting support!! Thanks so much for responding and I also wish you the very b
  11. Galien: How I resonate with your comment. I know in my head that there is no god, but I still want to find something that I can call god. To Margee, all I can say is that I know how much it sucks, and hope your negative thoughts get less soon.
  12. It sounds like it is good that you are out, RenaissanceWoman. It sounds like a typical human group. Things like that does cause one to question whether having a god makes a difference. And if it does not, then maybe the nonbelievers are right.
  13. I wish to thank everyone for their comments. It gives me a lot to consider. I guess in the end, each person's journey is their own, and it is the same for me.
  14. Hi all: For most of the past two years or so, I find myself on the boundary between theism and atheism. I definitely cannot affirm God in any traditional sense of the word, that is as a separate persona outside of the Cosmos who interacts with the Cosmos (or if you would the "man upstairs" type of being). As such, I know that I am close to the atheists. And, if it were between atheism and traditional Christianity, I would be an atheist easily. However, I do like to attend Christian worship, especially in a mainline setting (I am referring to in the US basically the following denominati
  15. Good, maybe it will help you in your own deconversion. While I wish I could have figured out it was all bullshit as a teenager or in my early twenties, it is still good too figure it out later. What counts is how one goes on from now on.
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