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Geezer

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  1. According to the Gospel story. In order for God to save the world (that he’d previously all but destroyed). God impregnated Himself in the womb of a virgin teenage girl so that He could become human. An angel told the girl what was happening and who was in her womb. But...according to the story, the girl seems to have forgotten who her baby really is. The girl has additional children but they don’t appear to know that their brother is God,.....except for one named James but it takes him a long time to figure out who his brother really is. When James finally figures out his brother is God that had to have make him like the coolest dude among his groupies. He was so proud that his brother is actually God that he wrote a book about it and it’s still in the Bible. The plan apparently is for God to become human and then allow other humans to kill him in the most horrific way. But lots of other humans died this way too, so it wasn’t a unique death. So, God allows humans to kill him, and for a few hours God doesn’t actually exist. Can humans actually kill God or was God just pretending to be dead? We will never know. Anyway, God comes back to life, or stops pretending to be dead, we’ll never know for sure, and hangs out with humans for awhile to prove He came back to life....or to prove humans couldn’t really kill Him...whatever. Anyway, God’s plan was to make Himself the ultimate sacrifice for sin and that somehow allowed him to forgive sin......because the blood of sacrificed animals just wasn’t getting the job done. So God, in front of lots of folks, ascended back up into Heaven, but promised He’d come back in person real soon.....that was over two thousand years ago and mankind is still waiting for God’s return. Not to worry though, because a thousand years is but a day to God, so His return could be millions of years into the future, cause that would be like a week for God. So don’t fret, He will return....someday, because the Bible says He will, ya just gotta believe. And when God returns He is goanna make some really cool neighborhoods for all His believers to live in. And all they gotta do is stand around His throne and sing praises to Him.....forever. Now, how cool will that be?
  2. Red flags are red for a reason. The heart wants what the heart wants, but the heart is fueled by emotion. In this case your brain appears to be functioning rationally. Maybe you should let your brain make this decision and ignore your heart.
  3. At my age just remembering what I had for breakfast is often a chore,......or if I even had breakfast.
  4. Welcome to freedom. The journey out of religion is often long and treacherous but in the end it’s worth it.
  5. Mormonism vs. Christianity - The Differences Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) was birthed in 1820 by a vision in which two celestial personages appeared to Joseph Smith claiming all existing churches were wrong, all their creeds were an abomination, and all their professors were corrupt. According to these personages, Smith had been chosen to restore—not reform—a church that had disappeared from the face of the earth. The Mormon doctrines that evolved from this vision compromise confuse or contradict the nature of God, the authority of Scripture and the way of salvation. Mormonism vs. Christianity - View of God First, while Christians believe that God is spirit, Joseph Smith taught, “God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” Mormonism also holds to a plurality of Gods and contends that “as man is God once was; as God is man may become.” Additionally, the Latter-day Saints compromise the nature of the God-man, Jesus Christ. In Christianity, Jesus is the self-existent creator of all things. In Mormonism, he is the spirit brother of Lucifer who was conceived in heaven by a celestial Mother and came in flesh as the result of the Father having sex with the Virgin Mary. Mormonism vs. Christianity - Revelation Furthermore, in sharp distinction to orthodox Christian theology, Mormons do not believe that the Bible is the infallible repository for redemptive revelation. In their view, the Book of Mormon is “the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion.” Two further revelations complete the Mormon quad, namely Doctrines and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. Doctrines and Covenants is a compilation of divine revelations that includes the doctrine of polygamy. Not until threatened by the federal government did Mormon president Wilford Woodruff receive a revelation relegating polygamy to the afterlife. The Pearl of Great Price is no less troubling. It was this extra-biblical revelation that was used by Mormonism to prevent African Americans from entering the priesthood and from being exalted to godhood. Mormonism vs. Christianity - Heaven Finally, while Christians believe that they will stand before God dressed in the spotless robes of Christ’s righteousness, Mormons contend that they will appear before heavenly Father dressed in fig-leaf aprons holding good works in their hands. According to the Latter-day Saints, virtually everyone qualifies for heaven. Murderers, unrepentant whoremongers and the world’s vilest people make it into the Telestial heaven; lukewarm Mormons, religious people, and those who accept the Mormon gospel in the spirit world typically enter the Terrestrial heaven; and temple Mormons make it to the Celestial heaven. Only those who are sealed in secret temple rituals, however, will make it to the third level of the Celestial kingdom, become God’s of their own planets. That the following beliefs of Christianity have been brought down through the ages as follows:The Bible is the only inspired, infallible, and authoritative written Word of God, penned by man with the leading of the Holy Spirit.There is one God, eternally existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.Christians believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, in His personal, future return to this earth in power and glory to rule a thousand years.The blessed hope in the rapture of the Church at Christ's coming. The Church is all who believe in Jesus as their Savior.The only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in the precious blood of Christ. Good works alone will not get you into heaven, although good works should follow those who believe.We believe in water baptism by immersion. This is a public display of the authenticity of your repentance.Spiritual healing and deliverance comes by the redemptive work of Christ on the cross. Isaiah 53:5b says, "By His wounds we are healed."The baptism of the Holy Spirit is given to all believers at the moment of salvation. God desires us to have a personal relationship with Him and through His Holy Spirit, we communicate with Him.Christians believe in the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit's indwelling. The Christian can live a holy life.The beliefs of Christianity state the resurrection of the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting damnation. Then Jesus will establish His eternal kingdom.
  6. 43Alley made some funny videos. I never saw anything he made that would require censoring. I discovered his videos a few months back. He’s a talented guy.
  7. You are correct Blindfaith. The one thing organized religion excels at is socializing. They are great at building social net works and if you’re new in the community going to church will provide you an immediate list of potential new friends and contacts.That is because they have a recognized time and place to meet. Just show up and you’ll be warmly welcomed. Non-believers have a difficult time getting a significant number of like minded folks together at a specific time and place for a specific purpose. Therefore, their social networks, such as they are, tend to be loose and disorganized. Sites like this are helpful though.
  8. I notice that after the fairly recent board changes that a few long time members have disappeared. I ask because the thing they seem to have in common was their often sarcastic and inflammatory posts. They did tend to be irreverent and somewhat aggressive, but we’re all adults here and should be able to handle that or at least ignore them. I’m just wondering why they all seemed to disappear about the same time. Anybody got some info on that?
  9. Your experience is pretty normal Blindfaith. I was Church of Christ. Shunning is just part of who they are, so our social structure disappeared when we left. Our situation is similar, I’m in my 70’s now and a non-believer but my wife is still a Christian. She’s a member of the Methodist Church now and they are pretty liberal and definitely not dogmatic. She has accepted my apostasy and it isn’t an issue any more. I haven’t made any effort to rebuild my social structure, because I live in the Bible Belt too so I know what that’s like. I’m retired and have no trouble finding things to keep me occupied. There are atheists groups everywhere if you want to find some likeminded folk.
  10. Evangelizing is all about pleasing God and obtaining Brownie points for the Final Day of Judgement. Just like Prosecutors in a criminal proceeding, the Evangelist is really only interested in putting another notch on his Spiritual gun-belt. Whether they succeed in bringing their prospect to Christ or not isn’t the point. The point and goal is to try to win the prospect to Christ. Making the attempt is what really matters.
  11. Everything has to evolve and change in order to survive. Christianity has survived because it has evolved with the times and culture. Mega Churches are part of the current evolution. Services are more like a Christian rock concert than a traditional service. Preaching on sin is out, it’s all about love, grace, & community now and it seems to be working. Jesus, of course, is still the focus but he’s been updated and repackaged. Even so, Christianity is still showing declining numbers. I think the internet has proven to be religions biggest challenge. Their secrets are no longer secret. Their traditions and dogma is now being effectively challenged with facts and evidence. Christianity will be with us for a very long time into the future but it’s numbers and power will steadily decline.
  12. Brainwashing is not restricted to religion. It is prevalent in many aspects of society. The problem with indoctrination and/or brainwashing is that the victim is unaware that they have been brainwashed. If they were aware then they would take steps to reverse that process. This site is an obvious example that demonstrates religious brainwashing can be reversed. The process requires the victims willingness to acknowledge facts and evidence and to reject beliefs that are not supported by evidence. Unfortunately many deeply brainwashed people cannot do that.
  13. On a positive note, religion in American is slowly becoming less popular as evidenced by declining Church membership across all denominational lines.
  14. When people will not accept, or even consider, verifiable evidence and facts that challenge their “beliefs” it becomes pointless to engage them.
  15. I’m sorry for your loss and the difficult situation you are now facing. We lost our DIL to cancer a year ago next month. Our family is still mourning her loss. The separation from those we love is the most difficult aspect of death, even though we know our loved ones suffering has ended.
  16. It is scary to think about how easy it is to indoctrinate people, and how many people on this planet are hopelessly brainwashed already. And how many of them are really dangerous people that are willing to kill others in the name of their god.
  17. I’ll give Jesus all the benefit of the doubt. Let’s say his ordeal began the night before he was crucified and the Bible says He hung on the cross for approximately six hours. I’ll give Jesus 24 hours of torment, stress, & physical pain. Truthfully, Jesus execution was suffered by thousands of other people that hung on the their cross much longer. A horrible way to die, no doubt about that, but that method of torture was common and many people suffered it. Because sin supposedly put Jesus on the cross to be crucified, sinners will be tortured forever. How is that fair?
  18. However oil is made it would seem that the process continues to create more oil. Just think about how much gasoline is consumed around the world in one day, and then think about how long we have been extracting oil from the ground. Now add in all the other things we use oil for. Mankind has consumed a gargantuan amount of oil since we figured out all the things it can be used for...or maybe God just keeps on making more oil for us. And only God knows how much oil the Devil uses to keep the fires of Hell burning.
  19. Belief without supporting evidence is simply an opinion. Christianity requires faith precisely because there is no historical evidence that even one word of it is true. The world operates on the laws of science and physics not on faith. And those laws confirm the nonsense found in the Bible is simply not possible. That is why religious faith requires deep indoctrination to obtain it. Surely you you have better things to do than waste you time here.
  20. Geezer

    Helllo

    Nope, we get it. Been there done that ..... got the tee shirt. Welcome, consider this your new home. Leaving your faith is one of the most difficult things anyone will ever do. Lots of help and good information here to help re-enforce your doubt. Most of the folks here know more about Christianity, and it’s false teaching, than those faithful Christians that fill up the pews every Sunday. Take some time and just read the board. So much good information on this site but it takes some time to absorb even a little bit of it. Many of the folks here have been studying and researching the origins and evolution of the Bible and the Christian faith for years. Some are former Preachers, Elders, Deacons, Bishops, & Christian educators with graduate level degrees in theology. Welcome aboard, so glad your found this site.
  21. Christians have historically “interpreted” scripture in ways that confirm their own groups beliefs & traditions. Some versions allow female pastors/ministers by interpreting scripture that prohibits female preachers as “cultural” rather than a command from God. There are versions of Christianity that openly accept gay members & Pastors. I assume they have “interpreted” scripture in a way that allows them to be receptive to the gay community. Christianity is nothing if not flexible. Cherry picking scripture is as old as Christianity itself. If a person can’t find a version of Christianity they like, then they really haven’t put much effort into their search.
  22. Dr. Robert M.Price, Hermann Detering, David Fitzgerald, & Dr. Richard Carrier convinced me that it is more likely, rather than less likely , that both Jesus and the Apostle Paul were literary figures not real people. I also found sufficient evidence that convinced me the Gospel Story itself was fictional. After years of study and research it became obvious to me that Christianity is a manmade religion and the Bible is simply a collection of theological myths. Therefore, no version of Christianity appealed to me. Atheism was my only alternative.
  23. This site contains a lot of information, but it’s difficult and confusing to navigate and find what you are specifically looking for. If that is true for folks that have been active on this site for years, it must be a nightmare for folks that are new to the site. But then again I’m an old fart and not particularly computer savvy. There is an amazing amount of good information on this site though and I’m continually finding new stuff.
  24. The question that begs an answer is what was the original source for these oral stories? Dr.Richard Carrier, IMO, makes the best case that I’ve heard for the Gospel being a mythical story. In other words somebody just make up the Jesus story and it caught on and then became an oral tradition. That isn’t so far fetched because there were already numerous dying/rising God/men stories already in circulation. The Jesus story could easily have been a modified version of anyone of these other existing stories.
  25. The purpose for the doctrine of a final Judgement day is to scare the hell out of the faithful and to make sure they understand it simply isn’t possible to do enough or give enough to make it to heaven,...but that doesn't mean they shouldn’t do more and more and more hoping they might squeeze enough good works in to barely make the final cut.
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