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  1. Scholars often refer to Christianity as a cult and for good reason. Consider the traits normally associated with cults and then think about how many of those same traits can be found in Christianity. That is why leaving Christianity is so difficult. True freedom is freedom from religion. Glad you found this site, I’m certain you will find it helpful.,
  2. The Bible is a collection of myths that reflect the knowledge and theological beliefs of the cultures that produced them. It takes a deeply indoctrinated mind not to recognize that.
  3. The reason faith, not evidence, is required to be a believer becomes crystal clear when you no longer have faith. There is a reason why obtaining faith requires intense indoctrination. It’s more than a little concerning to acknowledge how easy it is to indoctrinate people. The earth is filled with Billions of brainwashed people, that have absolutely no clue that they are brainwashed. And many of these brainwashed folks are very willing to die for their “beliefs”, or to kill those that don’t believe as they do. That is scary.
  4. I’m certain God and Jesus don’t control any atheists public or private life. I know for certain they don’t even influence my life much less control it.
  5. The Fabricated Paul by Hermann Detering. You might also check out The Colossal Apostle by Robert Price.
  6. I don’t believe Paul or Jesus were real people. The evidence leans towards both of them being fictional characters in a fictional story. Those that believed those stories were the ones that created an empire ( Christianity and the Christian Church) and then became powerful & wealthy.
  7. God and Jesus control a believers “public” life. Their private life is another issue.
  8. The Church of Christ is an example of Pauline worshippers. They believe every word Paul spoke, or wrote, came directly from God. The 12 Apostles never “got it”, so Jesus was forced to find someone else (Paul) to finish His work and mission. Paul wasn’t God incarnate but he was #3 in the chain of command, at least in the minds of those in the Church of Christ.
  9. Brainwashing is effective precisely because the victims don’t believe they’re brainwashed. Cults are effective for the same reason. Those that are members of a cult don’t believe they are in a cult.
  10. Christian love in action.
  11. 6 Super Bowl rings! Not too shabby for a kid that was a backup quarterback in college.
  12. With the bloody history of the Catholic Church, and now with the endless sex scandals and abuse of children, why would anyone want to be a Catholic? It seems to me the Priests are the ones that need to be confessing their sins, not the people.
  13. I posted this question on a Christian site and to my surprise everyone that responded supports such a law.
  14. The roadblock to this common sense issue, once again, is religion. I can hear them chanting, “ God is the only one that can end a life.” When you witness a loved one die from cancer this issue becomes very real. If that is God’s will then God is one sick puppy. No one should have to endure that kind of misery with no hope of survival. That, IMO, is the very definition of cruel and unusual punishment.
  15. I have no problem allowing a terminally ill person, that is in constant pain, to request a medical professional to end their life and their suffering if they so choose. Putting them to sleep, with their permission, is much more humane than making them suffer needlessly. The alternative is cruel and inhumane, IMO.
  16. Basically the c of C worships the Bible. They, of course, would deny that but they do. They follow the Bible as literally as humanly possible. They interpret examples found in the NT as commands, thus communion must be observed every Sunday morning because that is the first day of the week as noted in the NT. There basically must be a scriptural reference for everything the c of C does. “Is that scriptural?” Is a common question for anything and every thing the c of C does. Marriage Divorce & Remarriage is an issue in the c of C. Divorce is sin unless it is for a scriptural reason and adultery is the only scriptural reason in the Bible. Unscripturally divorced people can never remarry and must remain celibate the rest of their lives or be doomed to Hell for eternity. Unscripturally divorced people would not be accepted as members in the c of C. The c of C does not allow instrumental music in their buildings/worship service because there is no scripture in the N T that authorizes it. They operate by something referred to as CENI. That means Biblical Commands, Examples, and Necessary Inference. NI basically means it’s up to the Elders (those recognized as leaders of the congregation) to determine if something is okay or not when the Bible doesn’t specifically address the issue. Things like even having a church building, parking lots, air conditioning and heat, etc. All congregations are autonomous, there is no central authority. It is not uncommon for one congregation to disfellowship another congregation for a scriptural reason. Such things as having a kitchen and fellowship hall in the building are considered scriptural issues by some congregations, but not others. It is common for one congregation to disfellowship another congregation for issues like this. Members are disfellowshipped for scriptural reasons. Questioning the doctrine or teaching can get a person disfellowshiped. The c of C is extremely legalistic and they believe water baptism is how a person is saved Acts 2: 38. The concept of grace is not something that the c of C promotes. The c of C is a works based religion. They teach salvation can be lost when a person sins and they will remain lost until they repent and are restored to the Church. The c of C is all about fear and punishment. And they think they are headed for extinction because they are not legalistic enough. Oh yeah, they believe they are the only restored church from AD33 and thus the only true Christians on earth. They believe denomination churches are man made and their members are destined for hell because they aren’t real Christians.
  17. The Baptist are rather benign compared to the Church of Christ and Pentecostals. The c of C and Pentecostals is where you find the seriously batshit crazy beliefs and traditions. I know because I was an Elder in the c of C. Being a member of those groups takes some serious professional grade brainwashing.
  18. Welcome aboard, I’m certain you will find this site helpful and encouraging. Just a heads up, it takes 25 posts before you can edit your posts and use the other amenities.
  19. The extremists on the left are becoming more and more bizarre with each passing day.
  20. Welcome, many of us have been there and done that, so we understand what you’re going through. I’m certain you will find this site helpful and informative.
  21. The Carol Burnett Show. Tim Conway is maybe the funniest guy on the planet. MASH, Andy Griffith Show, The Old SNL Show, Gomer Pile USMC, The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Everybody Loves Raymond, Friends, Jerry Seinfeld Show.
  22. Planting seeds. That is all that can be expected when we engage believers. We should expect Christians to initially reject our arguments and evidence when we present them. I feel certain all of us did too when we were first exposed to evidence that challenged the Bible and the Christian faith.....our faith. However, once the seeds have been planted, they tend to linger in the subconscious. When believers are exposed to more challenges this information tends to stick in their minds even if they appear to reject it. Sometimes this seed produces fruit and sometimes it doesn’t. Generally speaking, until a believer develops doubts about their beliefs they will not act on information that challenges their faith. Until then the seeds that have been planted will remain dormant. At least that has been my experience.
  23. I though historians have established that YHWH and Baal were two of many Canaanite Gods. And that the Israelites were originally Canaanites, and were never slaves in Egypt. If so, then it would make sense that they would seek out one of their own Gods and declare Him the one true God. Oops, sorry I already posted that. What do you expect, I’m old and I forget stuff pretty regularly now.
  24. There was only one gospel story, with three additional revised and edited versions. Dr.Richard Carrier makes a good case for the original gospel story being fictional rather than historical.
  25. I would say that Jesus made it unambiguously clear, in the Gospels, that Judaism was the one true religion, and that the law would never pass away. Actual historians generally agree the book of Acts is fiction. Jesus never said anything about starting a new religion to worship him. Dr Robert Price addresses the problems with Paul in his book, The Colossal Apostle. Price like Detering, believes the evidence suggest Paul, like Jesus, was a literary character. Many historians believe Simon Magus and Marcion were the authors of “Paul’s” Epistles and the founders of Christianity. They were Gnostics and Christianity is a Gnostic religion.
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