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About megasamurai

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    I'm a nerd and proud of it. I love doing nerdy things. I hope to make a lot of friends here.

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  1. I always found the contradictions on gender issues interesting, and this seems to be proof that people tampered with these letters. I do not really believe the Jesus/Paul myth theory and I am a believer that there were people named Paul and Jesus who were Jewish teachers who had very high self esteem. My family is going through chaos as my uncle got a divorce from his wife and she wasn't the best person. My family believes she was evil because she didn't submit to her husband. The hierarchy allows for peace and can be justified with utiliterian ethics. Without this, fighting and chaos ensue. Submissive relationships are healthier relationships. Can anybody argue this point? I know they view feminism as evil and that damn dirty liberals want egalitarian marriages.
  2. Thinking about it, people in heaven have to go through judgement and take into account every word they say (that would take a while. How is anyone in heaven if it takes that long?). This is said by many churches to be immediately after death (see the Book of Life play many churches have). Then, they have to be yanked out of heaven to be judged during judgement day so everyone is judged twice. What's the point of that. Judgement is even less important to some Christians who say that hell has nothing to do with judgement. My mom believes that hell is a judgement and the only way to go there is to want to go there. What is the point of judgement in the "hell as choice, not a judgement" model?
  3. Getting hired somewhere else is probably best for me. Applying to jobs far away.
  4. Life can be just tough when you live in a place with heavy anti-atheist sentiment. I'm realizing just how bad it is. All my family knows of them seems to be the ones in the God's Not Dead movies (which they believe is based on a true story) and whatever TBN and Pat Robertson says. Pat Robertson callers seem to also report on atheists who reinforce negative stereotypes: I'm wondering where in Oklahoma I can go that's safe-ish. I don't think everyone here hates atheists, at least I hope, but it seems pretty strong.
  5. Major update: mom just talked shit about how awful people Hindus and Muslims are. Should I feel good or bad that I'm not the only piece of shit in her eyes? My self esteem has never been this low. When family thinks you're garbage, what is there to do?
  6. It seems like college is a place where people are immature and learning about the world. That's probably why there seems to be so many college kids with really radical positions. It was culture shock going back for a second master's degree and seeing how over the top strange generation Z college students' beliefs are compared to gen Ys when I thought my gen was overzealous about political stuff in college. When it comes to proselytizing, I have been tempted because I'm not bothered by those who believe in supernatural things, but the idea that those who believe in the wrong supernatural thing deserve a terrible fate. My mom believes that hell isn't about judgement, but because people who disbelieve want to go to hell (her version being an agonizing separation from god, similar to what Bill Wiese described in 23 Minutes in Hell). I did lose my temper a few years ago about her support of a god doing this to people, even if they allegedly choose it and the fact that she thinks that her hell is better than literal fire. After the intense verbal lashing she gave me, I learned to accept that you can't even make it halfway and convince somebody to believe in a god who doesn't send people to any version of hell.
  7. I felt like I had a gun to my head when "witnessing." Inaction could be sinful and lead you on the road to hell as well as action. That's why I ponder if some Christians who aggressively preach the gospel really want to or if they believe they will go to hell if they don't like I did. Another thing about aggressive Christian evangelism, it seems that college kids seem to be extremely aggressive at proselytizing and they cool off in their aggressiveness after graduation, sometimes going from person to person and harassing everyone. I did also have a very assertive atheist roommate who tried to demean and belittle my Christian and capitalist friends for not being communists who supported the hacker group Anonymous like he did. People like him aren't all that common, but it seems like he checked off every negative stereotype of atheists and reinforced the idea that we're all like that. Despite my beliefs, I sided with my Catholic friend, partially because she I was attracted to her, and partially because I think if you want to say that people can be good without religious belief, you should be a shining example rather than be full of hate. Being on this board for years, I've seen varying views on whether or not proselytizing to Christians is any good or not. I'm curious about other's thoughts on the benefits and drawbacks.
  8. That is why I ponder if proselytizing is more often good or bad. Christianity made me miserable and knowing that there isn't a reason to scrutinize every minor thing I do was a relief. For others, the possibility that somebody views Christianity as giving a purpose in life. That guy on Sufficient Velocity devastated my brother and made him fall into a deep depression. Granted, I think a good portion of atheist proselytizing is well intentioned yet misguided. It's probably best only done when you know that religion has affected a person's happiness.
  9. Well, I think it's easy to be prejudiced when an atheist boyfriend was abusive. Traumatic experiences with a group often leads to that. The problem is that there are a significant number of nasty atheists who give good ones a bad name. TBN often interviews former atheists who were criminals or whatever before becoming Christian and these programs perpetuate the stereotype. The internet forum Sufficient Velocity apparently has overly aggressive atheists who call Christians idiots and persistently dog Christians into rejecting a faith in god. It's hard to convince them when real life experiences show them the bad side. It seems the nicer atheists don't make a big deal out of it or are secretly hiding it. There probably are some kind are caring "outspoken" atheists, but the line between sharing why you doubt and bullying is often blurred by the bullies.
  10. One thing I'm wondering about is the stereotype that atheists are all aggressive proselytizers. I do see hypocrisy on Christians who criticize atheists for forcing it on them yet "witnessing" persistently is okay, even though it seems to be the same thing in reverse. I personally believe that proselytizing for Christianity or atheism is pointless because people's beliefs are so firmly ingrained. It only works in very specific situations, like when a person is extremely emotionally vulnerable or in an extremely uneducated third world country. I can't be the only atheist who doesn't try to force it on family or friends knowing it's pointless and would cause more harm than good.
  11. I don't know what to do with the issue of bad atheists ruining the lives of the good ones. My mother dated an atheist who demeaned her and savagely verbally abused her for her faith and because of that, she views all atheists as evil. My brother is receiving online verbal abuse too and having the same prejudices. It's just upsetting that these people have made it where I'm the pariah of the family. It was the filthy atheists who've showed me love and I know they aren't all bad, but the bad ones make mom and bro and many relatives think that's the case. What's there to do? How can I show that there are exceptions? It's sucks when I can't find a job and have to move back in with my family who really has a personal grudge against non believers.
  12. The contradiction of the churches claiming that their separation from god hell is superior to the majority literal fire hell is quite interesting since the Bill Wiese example seems to demonstrate that the term "separation from god" is merely a euphemism for unimaginable torments. It seems to be mental gymnastics and doublethink that allows them to believe that it is more humane than a literal fire yet just as agonizing. Billy Graham also teaches that hell isn't literal fire, but separation from god, but I'm not sure what Graham's hell entails. It's probably painful and agonizing, but the exact details on how and why Graham's hell is painful is probably different from Wiese's. Does anybody know what Graham's hell is like? It seems like the idea that separation from god is painless is an extremely rare belief as a painless hell isn't scary. Lee Strobel's argument in The Case for Faith that separation from god hell is loving and superior to the literal lake of fire holds little water when Strobel/Giesler's hell is maybe a hair less horrific than Wiese, being a place where everybody feels nothing but sadness and regret. Anyway, there seem to be so many variations on the separation from god hell but they seem to come more from Wiese, Strobel, Geiser, and other people's butts rather than scripture and the claims that they are superior to the "classic" hell make no sense when they have their own forms of pain and agony. "Separation from god" just seems like a brand name used to make a place of pain and agony easier to sell.
  13. From what it sounds like, what people imagine the concept of separation from god to be sounds like it's almost always horrific. I don't get why it's more comforting than a literal fire if all the side-effects of separation seem to be able to cause a pain on par with literal fire. How is an eternity of darkness and an inability to feel love or joy superior or choking to death as that book described. If someone said, "hell isn't torture, he's just honoring people's wishes to be away from him. It's just that you'll be choking for all eternity in darkness unable to feel love or joy." I'm pondering the idea that people supposedly choose this fate and god is obligated to do so. If I were god, I would send not send anyone to such a place no matter how much people want it. One thing I'm wondering about is if sending people to hell is about free will, why wouldn't god try to change people's minds. I can imagine many unbelievers preferring to be with god rather than choking in darkness. I don't buy the argument that nobody would accept salvation if it were offered after death.
  14. I am curious about the variations of the concept of "separation from god" and it's many different flavors. Whether or not separation from god is necessarily painful and why it is painful seems to vary. My mom thinks that god is literally love and joy and therefore separation from god is literally separation from love or joy and those in hell are incapable of feeling either of these emotions without god. This causes great suffering and weeping and gnashing of teeth. I'm not so sure this view of hell is that much more humane than literal fire. Also, I'm not sure about the unbelievers choose separation from god because is reincarnation, no afterlife, nirvana, other heavens really the equivalent from wanting to be sent to a place where you are away from the Christian god. Do Hindus really think, "I want to be sent to a place where I'm separated from Jesus." The they choose hell seems hard to believe for me at least. There are other variations of separation from god where separation from god isn't inherently painful, but the people there's regrets cause them to suffer and it's self inflicted. Others have it as earth 2.0 and a "not that bad hell" and others have it as "annihilation except not quite because you kind of, sort of exist." Which of these variations of separation from god is most common, separation that directly causes pain, separation that isn't painful but people there self inflict pain, annihilation-lite, or earth 2.0?
  15. Church skipping itself can be considered hedonistic to some. They think some people choose not to believe to get out of giving god his due. Admittedly, I don't miss boring church services, but in small town Oklahoma, it is practically the only social establishment in many communities.
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