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  1. The thought of the majority of people burning in hell did bother me. In fact, it bothers Christians enough that they reinvent it. Unbelief seemed like such a tiny offense and so human to do. At the same time, I was told that unbelievers all secretly believe in God and pretend not to in order to sin (Strobel's opinion of atheists). This was how I tried to rationalize the damnation of atheists even though some of them showed me kindness. I thought "She deserves it. She denies God's existence in order to smoke weed) Still, I hated God even though I thought it was the right thing. I cared more abo
  2. Unfortunately, Strobel and McDowell are seen as authoritative as popular non fiction will always be sold in bookstores unlike most scholarly nonfiction which is confined to university libraries. I personally believe that a preacher named Jesus pissed people off and got nailed to a wooden letter T. It seems like you don't necessarily have to believe in the Jesus myth theory to be an atheist or agnostic as Bart Ehrman and Maurice Casey seem to believe Jesus was a real guy, albeit just a man. One interesting piece of food for thought is that I have found exactly one semi-popular apologist with a
  3. I have found several interesting accounts on Josh McDowell's origin story and I find it notable that he used the "angry at God because he had a rough life" cliche rather than Strobel's I just want to sin, https://jimdaly.focusonthefamily.com/josh-mcdowell-from-suicidal-to-salvation/. It is obvious that these two individuals sell tons of books and know the best way to defend Christianity is to attack its critics. The penultimate chapter of The Case for Faith pretty much is about how atheism leads to atrocities like Stalin but all the bad in Christianity is because of fake Christians. Okay, The
  4. Whatever Josh McDowell says. Mostly the "disciples wouldn't die for a lie," "because the Bible says so," and "people like Michael Behe believe in intelligent design."
  5. I do know that meeting unbelievers is what made me doubt my beliefs. I believed unbelievers were immoral monsters and was shocked in my teenage years that one of them showed me love. She did smoke weed, which did add to the stereotype, but probably a lot of Christians in my high school also smoked weed. My parents tried to comfort me and told me she wanted to go to hell so she could smoke weed and engage in premarital sex. The thing is that most versions of hell don't have any kind of joy and sex and drugs are hard to enjoy being set on fire. I really doubted that people would prefer being lit
  6. Been thinking about the ad hominem claim that non believers are insincere and have ulterior motives. Apologists, especially former atheist/agnostics of the Strobel/McDowell persuasion always portray unbelief as an excuse to sin. Atheism is allegedly an excuse to engage in premartial sex and smoke weed. The thing I've been thinking of, actually, the vast majority of Christians engage in it and many branches of Christianity believe you can sin if you feel really bad about it afterward. If this were true, can't the atheist just feel really bad and ask for forgiveness as soon as they settle down
  7. I was as I kept hearing miracle stories proving Christianity real, yet hating how God can damn billions. When I believed, I tried to convince people to love a god I hated to save their souls. Unbelief was more comforting, but it was and is to an extent still hard with so many miracle stories about weird stuff happening when Jesus name is invoked. There are lots of Biblical stories that seem historically disproven and that gives me hope. Christianity would be nice for 33% of humanity, but not for the remainder. I was terrified of hell, but it started to be for others rather than myself.
  8. I always found the contradictions on gender issues interesting, and this seems to be proof that people tampered with these letters. I do not really believe the Jesus/Paul myth theory and I am a believer that there were people named Paul and Jesus who were Jewish teachers who had very high self esteem. My family is going through chaos as my uncle got a divorce from his wife and she wasn't the best person. My family believes she was evil because she didn't submit to her husband. The hierarchy allows for peace and can be justified with utiliterian ethics. Without this, fighting and chaos ensue. S
  9. Thinking about it, people in heaven have to go through judgement and take into account every word they say (that would take a while. How is anyone in heaven if it takes that long?). This is said by many churches to be immediately after death (see the Book of Life play many churches have). Then, they have to be yanked out of heaven to be judged during judgement day so everyone is judged twice. What's the point of that. Judgement is even less important to some Christians who say that hell has nothing to do with judgement. My mom believes that hell is a judgement and the only way to
  10. Getting hired somewhere else is probably best for me. Applying to jobs far away.
  11. Life can be just tough when you live in a place with heavy anti-atheist sentiment. I'm realizing just how bad it is. All my family knows of them seems to be the ones in the God's Not Dead movies (which they believe is based on a true story) and whatever TBN and Pat Robertson says. Pat Robertson callers seem to also report on atheists who reinforce negative stereotypes: I'm wondering where in Oklahoma I can go that's safe-ish. I don't think everyone here hates atheists, at least I hope, but it seems pretty strong.
  12. Major update: mom just talked shit about how awful people Hindus and Muslims are. Should I feel good or bad that I'm not the only piece of shit in her eyes? My self esteem has never been this low. When family thinks you're garbage, what is there to do?
  13. It seems like college is a place where people are immature and learning about the world. That's probably why there seems to be so many college kids with really radical positions. It was culture shock going back for a second master's degree and seeing how over the top strange generation Z college students' beliefs are compared to gen Ys when I thought my gen was overzealous about political stuff in college. When it comes to proselytizing, I have been tempted because I'm not bothered by those who believe in supernatural things, but the idea that those who believe in the wrong superna
  14. I felt like I had a gun to my head when "witnessing." Inaction could be sinful and lead you on the road to hell as well as action. That's why I ponder if some Christians who aggressively preach the gospel really want to or if they believe they will go to hell if they don't like I did. Another thing about aggressive Christian evangelism, it seems that college kids seem to be extremely aggressive at proselytizing and they cool off in their aggressiveness after graduation, sometimes going from person to person and harassing everyone. I did also have a very assertive atheist roommate who tried to
  15. That is why I ponder if proselytizing is more often good or bad. Christianity made me miserable and knowing that there isn't a reason to scrutinize every minor thing I do was a relief. For others, the possibility that somebody views Christianity as giving a purpose in life. That guy on Sufficient Velocity devastated my brother and made him fall into a deep depression. Granted, I think a good portion of atheist proselytizing is well intentioned yet misguided. It's probably best only done when you know that religion has affected a person's happiness.
  16. Well, I think it's easy to be prejudiced when an atheist boyfriend was abusive. Traumatic experiences with a group often leads to that. The problem is that there are a significant number of nasty atheists who give good ones a bad name. TBN often interviews former atheists who were criminals or whatever before becoming Christian and these programs perpetuate the stereotype. The internet forum Sufficient Velocity apparently has overly aggressive atheists who call Christians idiots and persistently dog Christians into rejecting a faith in god. It's hard to convince them when real life experiences
  17. One thing I'm wondering about is the stereotype that atheists are all aggressive proselytizers. I do see hypocrisy on Christians who criticize atheists for forcing it on them yet "witnessing" persistently is okay, even though it seems to be the same thing in reverse. I personally believe that proselytizing for Christianity or atheism is pointless because people's beliefs are so firmly ingrained. It only works in very specific situations, like when a person is extremely emotionally vulnerable or in an extremely uneducated third world country. I can't be the only atheist who doesn't try to force
  18. I don't know what to do with the issue of bad atheists ruining the lives of the good ones. My mother dated an atheist who demeaned her and savagely verbally abused her for her faith and because of that, she views all atheists as evil. My brother is receiving online verbal abuse too and having the same prejudices. It's just upsetting that these people have made it where I'm the pariah of the family. It was the filthy atheists who've showed me love and I know they aren't all bad, but the bad ones make mom and bro and many relatives think that's the case. What's there to do? How can I show that t
  19. The contradiction of the churches claiming that their separation from god hell is superior to the majority literal fire hell is quite interesting since the Bill Wiese example seems to demonstrate that the term "separation from god" is merely a euphemism for unimaginable torments. It seems to be mental gymnastics and doublethink that allows them to believe that it is more humane than a literal fire yet just as agonizing. Billy Graham also teaches that hell isn't literal fire, but separation from god, but I'm not sure what Graham's hell entails. It's probably painful and agonizing, but the exact
  20. From what it sounds like, what people imagine the concept of separation from god to be sounds like it's almost always horrific. I don't get why it's more comforting than a literal fire if all the side-effects of separation seem to be able to cause a pain on par with literal fire. How is an eternity of darkness and an inability to feel love or joy superior or choking to death as that book described. If someone said, "hell isn't torture, he's just honoring people's wishes to be away from him. It's just that you'll be choking for all eternity in darkness unable to feel love or joy." I'm pondering
  21. I am curious about the variations of the concept of "separation from god" and it's many different flavors. Whether or not separation from god is necessarily painful and why it is painful seems to vary. My mom thinks that god is literally love and joy and therefore separation from god is literally separation from love or joy and those in hell are incapable of feeling either of these emotions without god. This causes great suffering and weeping and gnashing of teeth. I'm not so sure this view of hell is that much more humane than literal fire. Also, I'm not sure about the unbelievers choose sepa
  22. Church skipping itself can be considered hedonistic to some. They think some people choose not to believe to get out of giving god his due. Admittedly, I don't miss boring church services, but in small town Oklahoma, it is practically the only social establishment in many communities.
  23. It seems like a good portion of you all have been spared a TBN childhood. Anyway, TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) is the most powerful Christian television network in the world. They brainwashed with the power of Psalty when I was a kid. In addition to Psalty, they had documentaries about atheist criminal scumbags who converted to Christianity and became kind and caring people. These former atheists always said that they decided not to believe in Jesus to justify fucking hoes and selling smack on the streets and other hardcore shit, only they used the post-conversion nome
  24. It would be interesting if there were more actual non-biased studies regarding religion and crime and other things. I've heard that secular countries have less crime than religious countries, but a Christian could retort that that is because secular countries don't have as many laws and enable sluttiness and drugs. Still, these countries outlaw murder and that would mean that the violent crimes are lower. Still, is there really proof that American atheists are more likely to be sociopathic criminals like the ones on TBN. How does TBN go about finding criminal former atheists who testify about
  25. I've been thinking about my memories of what my parents used to watch on TBN when I was a kid. There were always these specials about scumbag atheists who abused drugs and were violent criminals. This is pretty obviously their smear campaign and way of spreading fear. Any memories of these programs? The basic claim is that people disbelieve to justify bad behavior. Atheism is all about smoking pot and having lots of premarital sex in its most benign form and at worst involves rape and murder. It's no wonder mom got pissed when I expressed doubts about Christianity. Although the TBN guy said th
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