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Lerk last won the day on June 2 2016

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    I am a computer programmer, married over 35 years, with two grown children. My wife's father was a minister, and our younger son is a minister. My older son, fortunately, discovered the truth awhile back. The real truth, not the "capital 'T' Truth".

    Still attending church weekly. I was actually outed once, but seeing how badly that was going to go I jumped back into the closet. That has turned out to be pretty comfortable because people don't expect anything from me now, religiously speaking.

    I've explained to my wife how I came to understand that it was all mythology, but she really doesn't want to believe it, and I still say a prayer with her at dinner! But we're starting to skip that more often.

    In some ways, Christianity has kept my life and my family stable, and I appreciate the regular moral training about being a responsible citizen and family member, and about caring for others. I don't know that, without the "you have to be there every week" attitude, I would ever have accepted that training and my life may not be as good as it is. Then again, my life could easily have been better, and churches certainly don't have a monopoly on morality. (In fact, sometimes they're just downright immoral.)

    On the other hand, I wish I had all of those Sundays back to spend with my family doing things that would have kept us closer. I can't really blame religion for a lack of recreation in my life, as many 3-time-a-week Christians do, in fact, spend more time in recreation with their families than I did. My problem may just be the fact that I was just too "responsible", and I don't know whether religion did that, or if I was just born that way. (I know I have always tried to do what was expected of me, even as a child, so it may just be my neurological makeup.)

    Regardless, I wish I had the Sundays back, and that all of that money given to the church could have been used for enjoying life with my family.

    Regarding how I came to realize that Jehovah is a myth like all other gods, it was in church, and I was 52 years old, when the preacher read a couple of verses of Genesis 3. Having turned there I read the entire chapter and realized, for the first time, that there was no Satan in the chapter. It was an ordinary snake! I knew I didn't believe it as written, and that neither did anyone else present. We had, all of our lives, believed that Satan had used the serpent, yet the Bible said nothing of the kind. There's not a single person in that church, not a single person I know, who believes Genesis chapter 3, yet nearly everyone says it is true.

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  1. I'm super late to this, but might offer 1-cent if not 2. I've been a software developer since the days when they called us computer programmers, and most of my experience is in Fortran. I've written a good bit of C++ code, but it's really C compiled in a C++ compiler (i.e. nothing object oriented in practice). Such is the plight of staying many years in a department running a legacy system. If I had to change jobs, I'd be in trouble because my skills aren't current. I've done a bit of Python, and could maybe get some "gig economy" type work. And since I have zero management training or experience, I have no confidence that I'd ever be able to get near my current income. If the systems you're working with aren't legacy systems, perhaps your skills are up-to-date and you wouldn't have too much trouble finding a good job. That, plus being in your 40s and having been in the same place for a long time could land you a senior-developer job at a place that is afraid of younger people who might not stick around. You at least owe it to yourself to start putting out feelers. Your situation seems quite unusual! It's a "clergy project" type situation, without the "being a minister" part. I personally would be afraid to jump without knowing where I'd land, as some have advised, but maybe they're right. In any case, you've already decided that you have to do something soon, so I'd say pursue that, and when you've found something that you think should work out, go for it. You'll have an immediate sense of relief, and 20 years from now you'll look back and see that it made your life immeasurably better.
  2. Lerk


    As Geezer says, a lot of us know exactly where you're coming from! Welcome aboard. You can say it all here!
  3. I believe that "dying" is spelled d-y-i-n-g and that "coming" is spelled c-o-m-i-n-g. I believe I shouldn't be pedantic but wow, it's hard not to be that way at the moment. Forgive me "father" for I have given in to my baser instincts. Which reminds me: I once installed a program called "Net Nanny" on my computer (back in the early days of the World Wide Web). A friend came over with her daughter to write a report. (They didn't have a computer at the time.) In her report was the word "coming," and the Net Nanny software seemed to think someone was being naughty. I don't remember whether I uninstalled it or just changed the settings. I do remember that I was embarrassed.
  4. I think you've actually hit on it -- you've listed two things that have stuff in common with the passage. How many more things could you find? Maybe a lot! And are the things in common really things in common, or are they kind of a stretch? I remember in church when they read the passage 1 Tim 4:3 about someone coming later forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats, and everyone said "hey, that's just like the Catholics not eating meat on Friday and forbidding the priests from marrying!". But most scholars think it's talking about the Gnostics, and it's likely they were already doing some of those things by the time this letter was written. (Most do not think Paul wrote this, and that it was late 1st / early 2nd century.) The author of Revelation was writing about things he thought would happen soon, based on things that were happening at the time. Describing this "whore of Babylon" and giving it attributes of the Roman empire makes sense. That part would have been "current events," not prophecy. My 2c.
  5. Thanks, MOHO! I’ve gained a lot of online friends! And I’ve strengthened the bond with my older son who is a deconvert, and not trying so hard to hide it from his brother.
  6. I thought it was El Elyon saying that, and that he was saying it to Yahweh and his brothers, all of whom were El Elyon’s Sons.
  7. The Bible is a book of myths, legends, and embellished history. Mixed in, it contains some wise sayings and some really foolish ones.
  8. Still lovin' your show, Karen. I'm glad this isn't the board you got kicked off of.
  9. Of course, Christians always spin things and will have an answer, such as "Jehovah knew they couldn't reach actual Heaven, since it's a spiritual place, but he still needed to put them in their place." Still, ol' Yahweh must hate Google Translate!
  10. Lerk


    That's my finding. Like you, I remain closeted (mostly, anyway). While I often despise church services, there's just a lot less worry in my life. There's no wondering why the god doesn't keep its promises, why it doesn't answer prayer. It's just life, and in that, I've found the actual "peace that passes understanding." Edit: Oops! I didn't realize that I'd already commented on this post. Anyway, comment stands.
  11. That's not entirely true. For those of us who were ahead of the curve, the last 35 years have indeed been prosperous. I got my degree in 1982 and now my income is in the top 2nd percentile of Americans -- and I'm not even a manager. I was born at the right time. My dad was a laborer, and my parents insisted that we go to college. College was cheap at the time, and some semesters I even got federal grants that paid all of my tuition and some of my books. (I lived at home and commuted, so there were no extra housing expenses.) But the middle class is shrinking. Even the Democrats since the 80s have followed conservative economic policies. Before Reagan, even Republicans followed progressive economic policy to some extent. Trickle down economics didn't work, because nothing trickled down. Business tax savings didn't translate into jobs, it translated into profit-taking. I was on board with it at the time, too. I voted for Reagan in my very first Presidential election. But I became a liberal long before I deconverted. And my parents leaned liberal, too! My mother, I know, voted for Nixon three times (when he ran against Kennedy, and the two times he won), and she supported Reagan when he lost the nomination to Ford, but 4 years later she was firmly a Democrat. Some people say that you get more conservative as you get older, but it seems that both my parents and I got more liberal. And I don't think it's actually uncommon. A lot of people bought into the Southern switch from the Democrats to the Republicans in the late 70s, and the Moral Majority bullshit, but there are a bunch of people who got turned off of conservative politics at that time, and since then.
  12. The fact that to we Church-of-Christers, all of our Baptist, Methodist, and Catholic friends were "non-Christians" made it pretty much mandatory that we associate with non-Christians!
  13. Lerk


    Welcome, Jerry! I'm right with you on a lot of this. My wife knows I don't believe. One of my sons is a preacher, and the other one is a non-believer. The non-believing son half-way went back in the closet, and he and his wife are going to a church that isn't the denomination we were all raised in for several generations. But his minister-brother is aware that he doesn't really believe and he's really upset with him. I was outed as an atheist and ended up doing the "walk of shame" (aka "going forward" aka "publicly repenting") to get back into the closet, in order not to risk my relationship with minister-son. So I go through the motions, but I no longer lead prayers and such in church. Maybe someday I won't have to worry about it, but for the time being I have to be content. Anyway, glad to have you on board.
  14. Ah! The parable of the sower! One of the few semi-true things in the New Testament. Right along with "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free".
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