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  1. If there is Hell, God isn't worthy of your love, worship or admiration. The Jewish God of the Bible is an atrocious creation of the most bigoted, racist perverted kind. Visit evilbible.com for concrete evidence of the viciousness and cruelty of this megalomaniacal monstrosity we used to call Abba, father. The utter naivity and foolishness of doing so still makes me cringe. The truth is we don't know what comes after death. Can you live with that truth? I think it was uncaring of any diety to give us minds that speculate and ponder and worry about an afterlife, yet not tell us. It must know we feel like we're on a conveyor belt dropping off into who knows what. But it's always been that way even when we thought we knew what was coming. Religion does serve our need to know, but does so through lies and fables. People pay big money for those lies judging by the fantastic wealth of the Catholic church and the phony huckster preachers who dwell in mansions. But I suggest you try living courageously by facing the truth : no one knows what's beyond the grave. All you really know is that you exist and that kindness is better than cruelty. But at the same time repaying cruelty with kindness is incredibly foolish and would plunge the world into chaos if it was practiced on a societal level. Personally I like the advice of Jefferson Davis: "Never be haughty to the humble, nor humble to the haughty." It has served me much better than the ridiculous teaching of Jesus to offer the other cheek when struck. Cops agree with good reason! I wish you the best. Have courage and seek truth, even if you never find it.
  2. First of all rejecting Christianity does not require one to become atheistic..I don't think reality (including myself) is just an accident.. But the biblical God is a monstrosity created by an ethnocentric sociopathic tribe. The answer to why be good is its only fair to be good if you hope the same treatment from others.. To act like a sociopath but expect kindness is ridiculous and illogical.. This idea has nothing to do with any deity it's just fair play and being nice gets me good treatment in return usually.. however, if you want to live by jungle law go ahead, but you'll probably eventually die by the sword like how the mafia dons eventually get whacked after doing it to others for years..I don't want that for myself.. If someone is unkind to me however I hit back. I do not follow Jesus' nonsense teaching and turn the other cheek which is unethical because it encourages abuse and cruelty. So if someone hurts me or mine, I hurt them, or prosecute or sue. The reasons are therefore utilitarian and not deontological and no God is needed. Ethical behavior is justified by it's consequences. Sometimes however one must do a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil for eg stealing medicine if necessary to save a dying child because the life is worth more than the medicine. Oh well good luck in your quest and don't go back to Jesus whatever you do..lol
  3. Add to that the whole idea god would only be able to love us after he killed his innocent son in our place is a most odious and ridiculous doctrine. The notion of living sacrifices pleasing an angry God is a pathetic, ancient picture of fearful humanity lost in a fog of ignorance and superstition. See photo below and God saying : " She may be beautiful and sweet, but I have to kill and torment my son before I can love her". And I used to believe that rot...smh
  4. I think there is an afterlife and I think there is much evidence to support it. What intrigues and puzzles me is how former Christians seem incapable of conceiving of an afterlife apart from the biblical one, it's either Jesus or god doesn't exist at all. Both positions are contrary to evidence. There's no Jesus, but there is an afterlife. This tells me that even exChristians are so brainwashed they cannot conceive the possibility of any other god than the fictional Yahweh. It seems as if atheism is also dogmatic. I think the truth of reality supports a designer but it is NOT the hateful ethnocentric Jewish creation of the Bible. But if I WAS to invent a god, I have to hand it to the Jews, they created one that loved only them and gave them carte blanche to rape, steal and murder. It goes on today even! Yahweh, the God that keeps on killing!
  5. Margee Your post only reinforces to me how idiotic and abusive the whole mess of Christianity is God how were we so blind for so long?? Arent you happy to be on the path of truth?? wherever it leads you are out of the cave
  6. No need for A/C here! it will be in the teens as a low this week and theres snow on the ground!

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      It's freezing here in Illinois..what the hell happened to fall?

  7. Margee Thank you for that sincere heartfelt post You have sure been through much agonizing about all this Bible stuff..you certianly cant say you never believed in the first place! I guess my deconversion was a little less emotionally wrenching because I just could not get that worked up over a phony Biblical God that had obviously been a fiction...plus Christians had always seemed a little plastic and robot-like to me so it was not hard to get away from church. I didnt throw away the idea of a God or transcendent consciousness, I just trashed the semitic, Herbrew invented Yaweh and of the course the Jesus persona of the NT (God 2.0 or the "good cop" persona). I always saw it more from an intellectual point of view and when the facts undermined the credibility of the Bible, there went my "faith". I always found it hard to love a god like Yahweh anyway. He was so vicious and judging and unloving. Heck, I as a man, I love my kids way better than that invention. But then again those Bronze Age people were highly superstitious and completely ignorant of scientif fact. Further, Semitics have not exactly been the most peaceful, kind people group on the planet so why shouldn't their invented god reflect their character? (He in fact, does indeed.) Anyway... welcome to freedom from the Jesus cult. Life IS better in the open air as you will find out more and more. People in their essence are awesome, we arent sinful worms in need of some blood sacrificing man-god. My friends are to a large extent Christian still but I sense I get on their nerves with my irreverent attitude. Oh well sorry but I aint changing. I would suggest you work some on making non religious friends. Chrisians just annoy the hell out of me now and actually seem demented. =) Finally, I have ben meditating recently on the wonderful essence that is a human and it has been wonderful. No more craven begging for forgiveness from a God you would be a fool to trust. We are awesome. Maybe meditation would be a help to you in your healing. As John Lennon sang..."no one can harm you, feel your own pain!" See you on the boards!
  8. I tried to cling to Jesus for awhile and reject the Bible...but when I started reading all his words...like how he came only for the Jews and the lost sheep of Israel and told the woman at the well he didnt come for her (Samaritan) and she replied well even the little dogs beg for crumbs and he being moved by that reply, then decided to help her... I realized wow what an asshat...he was a racist supremacist and had nothing of God in his spirit... but that passage contradicts his other parable about the Good Samaitan being more godly than the law observing Jews...so that undercut the credibility of the Gospels for me...among many other problems... the whole sacrifice issue... blood sacrifice of his son thing.... just seemed completely ridiculous ultimately
  9. Well, churchy types can be very waspish, mean spirited, spiteful and egomaniacal, especially if you challenge the existing power structure. I tried to do this at a conservative Presbyterian church years ago and couldnt believe how nasty people were in opposing my efforts to serve and change things for the better. Later when I regrettably sent my kids to a Baptist school the adults and teachers were truly some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met and I am 55. One of their teachers, (with them in the car) actually side swiped another car in a road rage incident! She was a fierce, vicious old bitch who happened to be the cousin of the headmistress who was herself a nasty piece of work. The sanctimonious "man of God" pastor listened to my complaint and did nothing yet they had earlier expelled a student for swiping a teacher's cell phone! LOL These people simply have personality disorders and are delusional. Why expect them to be kind? The idea of a holy spirit in them is nonexistent fantasy. Studies have shown, including my own research, that Christians are no more moral than others. To them all I say "good riddance" and only regret not figuring this out sooner. I regret every day I spent as a Christian for the many lost opportunities to live and enjoy life fully.
  10. I think one of the worst outcomes of Christianity is the notion that there are no gods existent apart from the one they worship. This leads people coming out of Christianity to throw off the notion of God altogether. I do believe in a higher consciousness whatever its nature and form may be. I do not believe we just came spontaneously from nothing and that we lose all conscious awareness forever at the moment of death. There are many spiritual people who detest the teachings of organized religions such as Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (the big 3) and yet steadfastly believe (based on spiritualistic experience) that there is indeed something "out there". Lately, there is a movement among scientists to even move away from a strictly materialist view of reality. This is being vociferously opposed by the adherents to scientific orthodoxy. The idea that there is something else out there that is beyond our space and time frame does not mean of course this being is anything like the biblical god. Personally, if the biblical God is God it would be an utter catastrophe and I would rather I had never been born! But we do not need to worry, the biblical god is an offensive illusion developed by primitive, racist men who sought power and riches.
  11. I have long thought that the Biblical discipline practiced by fundy Baptists and others should be considered child abuse..these parents are hate-filled and dangerous..truly no hyperbole there. I am sorry for you...I wish I knew where to point you in terms of healing, but I think you are finding your way anyway... I was watching football with friends last weekend and one guy, a Catholic evangelical, and I started talking and I told him I was no longer a Christian and he said well what are you now?, I replied I have no religion but I do believe we were created by some being. He told me I just needed revelation...I said I had it...God saved me by grace from Christianity! Then I shared with him some outrageous, awful commanments of God in the OT such as stoning disobedient kids, smashing Babylonian babies' heads against rocks, etc..I was amazed he didnt know of this..he asked for verse etc and I eventually found it and he was rather stunned..then he read the footnote and said well archeology shows it was most likely never done..I told him how could they know and does it matter? Your freakin God said do it!!! The other guys who are fundies and Israel fanatics didnt like me pointing out the current outrages against Palestinians and the energy got very negative...personally I was immensely enjoying watching them squirm as I forced them to face the BS and hypocrisy of their nutty religion. It opened my eyes to how much denial there is in Christianity. Reminded me of the AA mantra..take what you like, leave the rest. They concoct their own comfortable Jesus cult by leaving out those horrific OT passages that are indefensible. Another one of those "God Im glad Im not a Jesus nut anymore" moments! Too bad the Terps got clobbered 63-0.
  12. Well I didnt bcome a real Christian until I was 26 or so and, wow am I glad!...I was lost in this crap for 22 plus years and my regret is the wasted years..the women I turned down because they were not "saved" and with whom I didnt want to be "unequally yoked", the self-recrimination, the soul seraching, the buffeting the flesh so to speak, the yearning for perfection...my god what a mind f*ck it all was...that's what I regret most : the wasted years...thankfully, however, it didnt affect me quite as devastatingly as described in your personal story. We can all take heart that it does seem to be going the way of Christianity in Europe i.e. dying...praise the lord! Lets hope it fades before the nutty Christian-Zionists lead us into a WW3 event fighting those nasty "Ay-rabs"
  13. In my case I was disciplied by a PhD and noted professor of economics. I do not think I thought critically, instead I was reacting to the last 12 or so years of my life which were rather hedonistic but also marked by intense academic achievement. Being an innately spiritual person this left me feeling empty and even a little guilty. Jesus etc seemed to be a coming back to the source and an antidote to living day to day without "meaning". I never critically assessed the historical accuracy of the Bible or rationally examined the behavior of the OT "God". I suppose I accepted Calvinist theology about the total depravity of man and thought man didnt deserve anything but Hell from the perfect God, so anything less was in a way a blessing. Im ashamed of my gullibility now. More critically, what most led me to leave was the utter uncaring, judgmental attitide I experienced in the year leading up to and following my divorce. A fuller explanation is provided in my testimony in the that section. These people just seemed utterly berift of any supernatual annointing. So the whole "indwelt by the Sprit" doctrine seemed absurd and hollow. Also, the doctrine of Hell for "unbelievers" finally appeared as a monstously cruel doctrine. Then I started examining the Bible more critically and from there the absurdity and implausibility grew until it hit me it was all a concostion of nonsense, cruelty delusion and deception. A vile stew indeed! After that I saw Christians in the light of the falsehood of their faith and they seemed bizarre, misled and delusional. Just off the beam kooks in many cases. It is my firm conviction that looking back, Evangelical Christians are some of the nastest people I have ever encountred in my 55 years (and I have encountered a very wide variety of people). Yes I am rather mystified still as to why I was so taken in. Rest assured I have learned from it and even my reaction to my former gullibility has been developmental for me. Once burned twice cautious. Mostly, I just am happy to be out of it.
  14. I would only add that I still believe in a god of sorts but it is rather ill-defined and I do not have any dogma attached to it. I cannot see atheism as true. But thats me and my own view. I think you seem a bit high strung and so anxiety attacks may be part of your make-up. You do not have to have them but you are inclined to them. You can, I believe, overcome them through cognitive or rational emotive therapy. There is nothing supernatural causing them so please do not see a Christian "counselor". They will do nothing but tempt you to see them as either the holy spirit or the devil bothering you. It is stress caused by religion or leaving religion. Both can be scary, hence the anxiety. Face your own self and your inclination to these attacks but see them as something that can be overcome. Like being lazy, hateful, gossipy or nosy. We can change and you can put these attacks behind you. We all need to grow as humans and to face our fears without medicating (sex, porn, food, dope, entertainment, cigarettes). I think these medications are just a means of avoiding the pain of life. I personally feel better when I overcome pain and grow beyond it rather than medicating. Plus I dont panic when I step on the scale anymore. The world social system is stressful and inflicts pain on us all given its mechanized, inorganic nature. We are slotted from childhood into roles designed to make others profit, not to self-actualize. So find your own way, make friends and lean on them as you need to. You can be anxiety free eventually, but that does not mean you will be necessarily.
  15. I really respect the directness and honesty in your story. Those are good traits to develop the rest of your life. Just be aware abusive bad men come in all varieties. Christians are however notorious for showing one face to the congergation and one to their family. A former pastor of mine, thought to be a walk on water type intellectual from Wales, has a drunk driving conviction no one knows about. The short version is: Christianity is crap. A false, mind controlling doctrine of fear and guilt. It has brutally murdered MILLIONS who got in its way and it would again if it had the power. Pascal's Wager is also a phony trick with no philosophical basis. Youre out of it and I think you will stay out because you see it for what it is; and once you do there's no going back. My cousin back in the day was a hippie type and had rebelled against his own fundy family. We played a lot of music and partied hardy. Then a few years later his wife, raised Catholic, fell back into religion hard and he soon followed. He quit his corporate job and felt "led by the Lord" to become a pastor. All this did was lead to him burning out his good will with family by borrowing money to pay for what the lord was supposed to be leading him to. He is still lost in religion and cannot see how idiotic this whole episode was. Now he is back as a corporate controller living the good life and still sold out totally for Jesus. So if you want to stay free, do NOT let family members cajole you or use fear against you. They are still deluded and deranged without the guts to face life and its unknowns. I personally believe in a higher being whatever it is. I just dont accept this is a purposeless accident. But as I said, Christianity is total balderdash. Stay out and find your new life on your own terms. Explore the ultimate meaning of existence and love your fellow humans, thats the best we can do until we see the other side (if there is one). Since I got free of this stuff and I was evangelical for 23 years, I have yet to have on Christian try to seriously re-convert me. I think they may be afraid of what I will say in my defense. Maybe my words will expose their own folly. Or, maybe they're glad to be rid of me! LOL!! Doesn't matter we have no real connection anyway and I am so happy I am not deluded.
  16. I think you need to face the reality of having to support yourself...and do it quickly... Staying with dad is simply not an option..main thing to do is start making MONEY to keep yourself off the street..how about girlfriends could they or their parents take you in?? You Dad has mental issues to be frank...you cannot fix them but neither can you let them control you... so dont keep obssessing about him...religious fanatics are obssessives..they are not sound mentally... and dont think for a minute he wont throw you over for Jesus..these people are like alcoholics...they would hock their own kids for a bottle..so .. Get a job and get a place to live...your dad went bonkers...its a terrible situation..I am so sorry for you...but you have to face reality and not dwell on the tragedy of it all...after you get going in your new independent mode you can talk to him about reconciliation...for now get out and get your life moving...all the best
  17. sheesh is this the 1500's? If you identify as a former Christian you get burned? Oh well...my advice is you manage your life in a new direction so the Inquisition no longer has any hold on you
  18. I dont think the answer is in any "ism"...all religion is a lost cause You dont need any religion or ideology to relate to your creator...forge your own relationship with it just like you do with people...each person you have a different unique relationship with.. If you want to be an atheist, try that on for size. if it works best then go with it... when you die, if theres an afterlife, youll find out then..if there isnt you wont know anything..so just do the best you can now and love others but reject cruelty in any form...the love you take... is equal to the love....you make =)
  19. Thanks for the welcome! Another good book is by DM Murdoch who calls herself Acharya S titled : The Christ conspiracy : the Greatest Story Ever Sold. Ehrman draws from it and it really shows how Pauline Christian theology is taken almost totally from earlier religions, myths etc.. It is very engaging but could use some more true scholarship as its basis. Such a book would really show the Jesus thing to be a crock but it might not matter to the deluded bc they see their truth as transcending reason and facts. I am very encouraged seeing so many other true bible thumpers have left the lie.
  20. Debating people like this is useless...he is completely brainwashed, indocrinated whatever. ..I would just ask him to read the book, "Jesus, Interrupted" with an open mind (good luck with that)... then tell him that the idea God cannot love someone unless they love him is ridiculous and ask him if he would stop loving your wife if she stopped loving him...his opinions/beliefs are simply not your responsibility nor are yours his...People worry too much about what others think of their beliefs IMHO
  21. Super video Eli Seems christian indoctrination is a form of abuse thank god I stopped before my own kids were so ravaged. I never did religion at that age instead i enjoyed the partying 70s and became saved mid 80 s. but it still warped me some in terms of guilt tripping myself and being a moral perfectionist . I am happy for you dude... Keep walking in truth it sets you free ! Watch out for still Christian friends they can be pretty Mean when they know you aren't in their fold anymore but all that does is prove more it's all crap.
  22. Well your story made me feel like my divorce was mild...wow! I take a weird sort of solace in that... all I can say to you is : 1. 2. make no compromises on custody in an attempt to get wife back...its over accept it..get a pitbull attorney and go for it and spare no details about her behavior
  23. I was raised in a nominally Christian family in the 60s, being born in 1958. Those were fun partying, times. On my street neighbors all knew each other and loved their beer and Sinatra; the kids loved the Beatles and bell-bottoms. We never really attended church, except for Easter, until the mid 70s when my Mom moved back to the faith a bit in terms of outward observance. I was a partier of sorts and believed in Jesus but never really understood the “submit your will to the Bible” idea. When I was in my mid 20's a fellow approached me about becoming more serious in my faith. I had no idea what he meant but, I had a steady girlfriend I spent weekends with and went to clubs, played in rock bands and pursued a PhD. Eventually I started studying the Bible had an “aha moment” and somehow became a real evangelical. I can remember still feeling as if something touched me in a way and the theology of Paul started to "make sense". I attributed this to the Holy Spirit. I don’t anymore. After that I began attending a large, reformed church with a large singles fellowship of maybe 300 people every Sunday morning. We all tried to act like we cared for the souls of each other and weren’t sure how to really reconcile the fact we wanted to have certain girls with the admonition not to lust. It seemed as if there was an unnatural wall between our theology and sexuality but I put it down to struggles with the flesh and soon found myself a table host leading the weekly study. After twenty something years of this, two great kids and one terrible marriage, I was 45 years old and tenured with some room to really think about things. My divorce had made it apparent to me my so called brothers and sisters in Christ were not as loyal as my unsaved buddies and the higher in the pecking order they were, the more worthless and phony they were. Then I considered Sharon Tate one of the most heavenly looking females I had ever seen and her supposed fate in Hell according to my Reformed (Calvinistic) theology. She clearly was not saved; she died suddenly unable to “ask Jesus into her life” so she was in hell. And I thought how utterly incompatible that was with truth and love. I mean the utter viciousness of the teaching of standard reformed, evangelical theology when juxtaposed with the lovely Sharon and her fate really blew me away. I knew then I had been served a crock of doo-doo. I soon became a Universalist Christian (God saves all) and started digging deeper into the basis of Paul’s mad, blood sacrifice based creation. I read Bart Ehrman among many other critical authors and slowly realized the Bible was a complete mess of contradictions, absurdities, obscenities and cruelty. When I put it all together the whole thing seemed completely without merit and I have never looked back. That was in 2007. In the last 6 years I have become more and more convinced how awful Christianity is and actually a bit ashamed I had been so fooled and duped. For years I actually believed in a 6 day creation, Noah saving the world with a boat, a snake talking to Eve, Cain siring humanity with his own sisters as well as more sinister doctrines such as God electing certain souls to heaven and ordaining others go to hell even before they were created. These days I can hardly stomach born again zealots, (is that a redundancy?) and never attend church (why?). I so enjoy saving those thousands of dollars I used to give to keep some slick talker in an expensive home or help pay his bar tab, (the august theologian and pastor who always uses Dr. before his name, and whom I used to take notes at the feet of, has since racked up a drunk driving conviction.) What can I say? I’m free. I may not know the ultimate answers but I know I am not deluded. I am, instead, seeking an ever deepening truth. I follow no ideology or religion or guru. Life is good, but not always so. It is real. As John Lennon said “No one can harm you…feel your own pain…I---I found out..there aint no Jesus gonna come from the sky…now that I found out…I know I can cry-yy!”
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