TheRedneckProfessor

If god's creation was "perfect", as god himself described it, how could it have contained the flaw that allowed for Adam and Eve to make the "wrong" choice?

End3, I think the word you're looking for is "church".

I'm sorry... What was the question again?

I'm not even sure you understand you.

Harkening back to our previous conversation concerning predestination. "Even god said there wouldn't be many make it". I wonder why... is is our choice, or god's? I know what it sounds like to me.

Yes, we're jackasses for worrying about his mental health and his meds. The christian thing to do would have been to send thoughts and prayers. Fuck us.

We're on your side, no matter who's team you're on. Don't apologize.

Really?!?

So, since the 13th of July, god has changed his mind.

Of course there is defiance, as there should be, and anger. The god described in the bible is a morally bankrupt, maniacal, diabolical, megalomaniacal, despotic, genocidal, hypocritical, egomaniacal, blood-thirsty LIAR, who demands worship for his worst attributes. If he IS the only option we have for a god, then I will defy him as a righteous man should defy any unjust oppressor, for that is what he is. The only thing required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing; and the iniquitous depravity of your god should be met with the pugnaciousness of justice and morality. If hell is the consequence I suffer, then it speaks more of god's character than mine. What sort of person would worship such a beast?

This isn't bravado on my part, End3. This is a carefully considered intellectual position I have taken based upon the nature of god as it is revealed in his "word". His lack of morals is appalling, his hypocrisy shameful, his lust for blood (even that of his own son) is shocking. This creature you call "god" is despicable to the point that it would destroy everything I stand for and hold true, namely my integrity and intellect, to ever kneel and declare him "lord". If hell is the only other option, then I accept it, whether I want it or not; my integrity demands it.

I've only resigned myself to the conclusions necessitated by the evidence, or lack thereof; said conclusions being that a god probably doesn't exist and if the god of the bible does exist, he's an asshole and I'd rather go to hell.

Does god exist inside of time or outside of it? Because I don't think "yet" counts in the economy of omniscience.

Perhaps your view of church is all part of god's path for your eventual deconversion; and you are just resisting him out of fear and disobedience. I don't know, End3, you seem to be slipping into some weird quagmire wherein you'll eventually proclaim that we were never true ex-christians and declare victory for your own beliefs. Not that I'd blame you for clinging to whatever brings you comfort, just seems dishonest for so sharp a mind.

If christ is god, why would his opinion of me be any different than that already expressed in god's "word"? Especially given that christ is also the "word" (John 1).