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WarriorPoet last won the day on February 1 2016

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    I'm a bit of a nerd, geek or dork. I'm not sure I'm ever going to fully grasp the differences between those three terms. I'm constantly playing video games, trying to learn new things or watching TV/movies with a disproportionate amount of sci-fi thrown in the mix.

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  1. I am so sick of this. Joe, you repeatedly show yourself to be just as clueless as other people have said you are. You really think that we just like sinning? I've got some news for you. Nearly all of us once believed as strongly as you do now. One day we realized we didn't anymore, there are more stories in the Testimonies section than you could ever hope to read. One part of losing our beliefs is realizing that this is all there is, there is no magical paradise in the sky that we will go someday. One other thing we realize, everyone that we love who has passed away isn't waiting for us. We will never see them again. That can be really hard for many ex-believers. We have to deal with death, for real. We don't get the benefit of the bedtime story that believers have. Can you possibly entertain the thought that I would do nearly anything to see my dad again? For just a minute, try to imagine (limited as your imagination may be) how much I want to have another day with my grandfather, or anyone else that I loved that has died. Do you really think that I would rather keep doing anything you call a "sin" if it would keep me from the people I love? Because I wouldn't, and neither would nearly anyone else. But no, you come here spouting some bullshit that you heard from the pulpit from a preacher that has no more interest in the lives of ex-christians than you do. You wonder why people lose their tempers and yell at you over the internet? It is because you don't have a single clue about anyone that doesn't fit into your bubble.
  2. I must admit that I was trying to push his buttons there at the end of my engagement with him. Once anyone tries to defend the perpetrator of genocide, my hackles tend to go up, even if that genocide is fictional. He was kind enough to give me what I wanted though. I might have been the target of more of his attempted insults in one tirade than anyone else in this entire thread. I was extremely glad to help him show everyone his character. I was just a little disappointed though. There in the early middle part of this thread, for a few glorious minutes, we seemed to be getting somewhere. I leave for a night, log in the next day and he had turned that all to .
  3. This? This is your refutation? Because I actually took your advice and reread what you wrote less hastily, and everything else in your post is simply an attempt at mocking me, so this must be what you meant by refutation. Are you seriously unable to see that the quoted paragraph is simply a sugarcoated restatement of what I said about a human sacrifice. That the supposed sacrifice was willing does not change what it was. And you think slapped me around. Excuse me while I laugh myself to sleep.
  4. No, I don't believe that god exists. Here's the deal though, I DID believe it, until I was 28 years old. I believed it with every bit of certainty that you believe it now. I didn't just read about god, as you so flippantly dismissed. My K-12 education happened in a christian school, classes about the bible and other sources of christian theology every single day, along with classes that dealt with other religions, admittedly those tended to be a bit biased. You accused me of not having an original thought, well you may be right. That f---ing book has been around for nearly 2000 years. How many original thoughts can be left? I've yet to meet a preacher or apologist with an original thought either. I never claimed to be an expert, what part of "my two cents" didn't you understand? Now, after I got that off my chest, I must say that I think I managed to touch a nerve or two. I see a whole lot of anger, but not a single bit of refutation for any of the points I made, or I guess simply repeated. And those ad hominems you were accusing other members of employing, you may want to invest in a mirror.
  5. And back to our convo. First, I wasn't calling YOU an amateur, that would be an ad hominem, which I usually try to avoid when dealing with people. I was saying your little word game in this one instance was amateur. Next, what in hell does "the metric of quality" even mean? Are you really unable to take a look outside of yourself and see that neither you nor anybody else is the ultimate goal of the universe? Because here is a news flash for you, the universe has no goal, no highest level of achievement. If the universe could be concerned about things, than it would not be concerned about us. We are a tiny fraction of one percent of the biomass on a tiny planet orbiting an almost average star in galaxy that is 1 out of at least a hundred billion. We are conscious, which is amazing. Our brains are almost indescribably awesome. We have internal organs and immune systems that work in ways that boggle the imagination. I will grant you all of that. What I will not grant is that any of this makes us greater than any of the other amazing but unliving things in the world or universe. When you get down to it, life could (somewhat cynically but also somewhat accurately) be described as nothing more than chemistry with delusions of grandeur.
  6. Oh, I know. I was the first person to wade into this particular swamp.
  7. If you and Weezer don't mind, I will throw in my 2 cents. The US didn't kill 99.99+% of the Japaneses people when we dropped 2 unimaginably terrible weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I agree with you that the decision was made to save lives on both sides and it likely accomplished that goal. We could debate on whether or not it was the right decision elsewhere. However, if one believes in god and that god is all-powerful and all-knowing, then he knew what was going to happen when he created humans. He could have, in his infinite power and knowledge, found another way. You mentioned the Adam and Eve story earlier. When one considers the old testament, and especially Genesis, it is clear that god is the villain of the story. He creates humanity knowing that the fall would happen. He causes the fall due to the inherent defect that he built into humans. He then gives humans free will and then gets pissy that humans are freely deciding to operate in ways he doesn't like. What is his solution to this problem of his own making? Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill and after that a whole lot more killing. Barely an attempt at rehabilitation whatsoever, just trying to correct his own mistakes by spilling as much blood as possible. Then we find ourselves in the new testament, the supposed good news of christianity. What is the alleged creator's solution? Another death, literally a human sacrifice. Our churches would have us believe that after this occurred, this mad deity's blood-lust had finally been sated, but a little more reading shows us that it isn't the case. The book of Revelation shows much more death yet to come, on a scale that would make the flood, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Crusades combined look like nothing but a warm-up act. Heck, he even killed Ananias and Sapphira for lying about their finances. Even the IRS doesn't go that far. Oh, and what does this evil, immensely powerful toddler have in mind for people like me? Eternal (read infinite) torture for a finite lifetime of supposed crimes. I don't care who you are or how smart you claim to be, you simply can not make the case that that is any sort of justice. Before you complain that I am misrepresenting what you believe, I know you have said that you are not a born again christian. However, you have made references to some bible passages that can't lead to any other conclusion than what you believe is at least partially informed by the bible. I would just like to point out that you had better hope that us atheists and skeptics are right, because if we're not, and anything approaching the god of the bible is in charge, then you are pretty much screwed as well.
  8. Amateur wordplay at best. Yes, it is great to be me. I have an amazing wife and 2 incredible kids. We aren’t rich, but are better off than most people, financially speaking. That being said, using obviously different meanings of the word great and hoping nobody notices is lazy. I never said I would rather be one of those things I mentioned. I said they are greater. There is a big difference between those two ideas. Let me ask you, by what metric are you, I, or any living thing greater than a supernova? Let me clarify here, I mean biological life forms here, no bringing in any deity or other supernatural being, the existence of which, I’m sure you understand, I am not willing to concede.
  9. To make a blanket statement that life is greater than non-life seems to me to be nothing more than arrogance on the part of the living. I don’t understand how one could simply make that claim when there are such things as hurricanes, volcanoes, gamma ray bursts, or super-massive black holes. I’m sure you would agree with me that none of those things are alive, and I would not classify myself or any other living thing that we know of as greater than them.
  10. I’m in agreement with Wertbag here, greatness would need to be defined in this specific context. For example, oxygen+hydrogen+a little gamma radiation makes water. What would be the greatest thing in that combination, or are they all equal in greatness? My guess is that you are leading us to some kind of a “first cause” argument, but I’m happy to admit that guess could be wrong. Either way, I will pop the popcorn and watch you getting wherever it is you’re going.
  11. You came here to start this thread. You insulted what we do here saying that it isn’t productive. You proceeded to engage in the same behavior that you accused us of. You made sweeping and unfounded generalizations about us. I pointed out that you said that having a conversation in this forum wouldn’t accomplish anything. You haven’t addressed that. Seriously, did you simply misspeak? If so, then I am happy to let it go. Or did you mean that it was pointless and unproductive until you came along? Instead of responding to my direct query, you decided to take me into a nit picking rabbit hole. I do have questions for a former catholic mystic, but all I am seeing from you is that you desire the type of mental masturbation that you accuse us of engaging in. Your apparent obsessive need to feel superior to our “group” probably doesn’t encourage anyone to meaningfully communicate with you.
  12. They fought like warrior poets. They fought like Scotsmen, and won their freedom. (Emphasis obviously mine.) Still perplexed here. You expressed your certainty in the futility of engaging with us, or me personally. So I ask again, if it is futile, why are you wasting your time? Is there possibly something that you know that none of the other believers that ventured into this forum didn’t? Please, regale us with your wisdom. My guess is that you haven’t anything more to say than any other theist says.
  13. Not looking to have any of my needs met. Just pointing out the very obvious projection. The fact that some of what you said in your OP may be correct* doesn’t change that you are accusing us of the very type of behavior that you are engaging in. In regards to your little swipe at my username, thanks for that, a bit of a laugh is good everyday. First of all, that name was simply chosen because Braveheart was on TV when I made my account here. Secondly, despite what you might see in movies, warriors don’t act as individuals, the entire group works together to achieve their objectives. An individual doing their own thing in that environment generally results in disaster. *I’m in a generous mood today.
  14. Think about what you wrote here. Take all the time you need. The rest of your post is also a little confusing for one reason. If nothing gets accomplished in forums like this, then what exactly are you trying to do here? If this is such an exercise in futility, then why don’t you treat our “mental masturbation” as the physical sort and leave the practitioners in peace?
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