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  1. Thanks! Happy Father’s Day to you too man!
  2. Interesting date, 1914. They must have been really excited by the outbreak of the Great War in August that year, and by the time of Russell’s death in 1916 it probably looked to much of the world that Armageddon had indeed begun. By 1919, not so much.
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    Marriage

    Not sure exactly what you mean by “valid”. Is it a union blessed by God? No. Does it have value? For some people and at certain stages in life. Most of us want a long-term relationship at some point in life. But sometimes cohabitation without marriage is better. Most people shouldn’t get married until they’re in their 30s: it pains me to see these young Christians get married right out of school or college, just to make sex ‘legal’. Ten years later, they’re often different people. And the Christian concept of one mate for life is not realistic or even desirable for most people. I’ve been happily married for 22 years so I’m not knocking it. I think it does serve the needs of women more than men though.
  4. Some of us have been members here for years, and it's easy to forget to update your e-mail address here if/when it changes. Maybe you're not still on AOL... Do yourself a favor and check/update it under Account > Account Settings. Only takes a minute.
  5. Yeah, at first I thought he was going to call down fire and brimstone on our heads but then it became clear the Holy Spirit had given him the tools to win us over, so at that point the outcome was never in doubt.
  6. Remember @pittsburghjoe? I know, it seems like ages ago but it’s only been a few months. Remember how he came here confident that he would show us the error of our ways? And how could he not be confident: the Holy Spirit had given him the idea of the Dual Slit Experiment, the golden key to proving it all once and for all! How could we possibly resist the divine light? We’d all be won over and convert this site into a platform for the saving of souls via double slits. Glory!! And yet here we are, dealing with another one who will soon be forgotten.
  7. The other day I listened to a podcast where they talked about the Evil God Hypothesis, the idea that if there is a god, it is more likely to be evil than good. The idea of an omnipotent, good god is brought into question by the existence of so much evil, pain and suffering in the world. If there were an evil god it would explain why humans have received so many conflicting “messages from god”, which have led to all kinds of mayhem: a cluster fuck indeed. But then it was suggested that the existence of an evil god is called into question by the fact that there is also so much joy and good in life. So the best conclusion is that there is likely neither an evil god nor a good god.
  8. Where else but Ex-Christian Dot Net can you get such advice? Nowhere, that’s where!
  9. Hi nithin and welcome to our community! I’m confident you’ll find being here to be helpful. It certainly has been for me, since I made my first post five years ago. I’m one of those people. Although I only go to Mass because my wife likes to go, I do appreciate the beauty of the church, the stained glass and other art work, the organ music and even the familiar ritual. All while believing none of the theology. It’s kind of a cultural event for me. So don’t feel you have to expunge all aspects of Christianity from your life. And the appeal may fade in due course anyway, or not. I agree with this too. Being accepted here in this group, where non-belief is the norm, really helped me to deepen and gain confidence in my deconversion. Not just from being around fellow-travelers but also by learning even more arguments against Christianity than I knew when I arrived. Deconversion journeys are as varied as the people who experience them. Yours will be particular to you. But it is a journey, not a single event. It looks like you realize that. You did the right thing coming here and I look forward to hearing more from you! All the Best! - ‘TABA’
  10. Good to hear it went so well with your parents. That’s one less thing you have to worry about!
  11. Even though he probably doesn’t deserve it, I think it would be good if you made the decision to forgive your dad, if you haven’t already done so. This doesn’t mean letting the past go, it doesn’t in any way mean minimizing the wrong he has done, it doesn’t mean having a relationship with him going forward if he survives this. But it would be a favor to yourself as you head out on your own. You don’t have to tell him or tell anybody. Just say it to yourself: “Dad, I forgive you”. It won’t change your life but I think it will draw a line of sorts that needs to be drawn. Just my thoughts for what they’re worth...
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    Hello (again)

    Hey Adam5, nice to meet you! I see that the last time you posted here was in 2015, which was after I had created an account, but before I summoned up the courage to introduce myself. I’ve come a long way since then, thanks to this community, and I now try to give back by helping others through the deconversion process. No doubt the internet has proven to be very damaging to religion. I’d like to think I would have deconverted sooner if the net had been around when I was in my teens and twenties. It would be nice to think that the decline of religion means people are becoming more rational and less easily deluded but I’m afraid the human mind is all too easily led into the weeds. The pandemic itself has demonstrated this, not just in the obvious case of people preferring prayer over medicine, but in a different way with other folks having an exaggerated fear of the virus, even after being fully vaccinated: I’ve started to see this recently. Anyway, I’m glad you stopped by to say Hello after such a long absence! Some people only come here for a short time and then move on. Others like myself stick around to enjoy the fellowship of fellow travelers over the long term. Not just fellowship but also gaining confidence in our deconversion by learning more and more objections to Christianity. Some people probably need to stay longer than they do, thinking that announcing one’s deconversion is the end of the process. I’ve written before about the importance of “full deconversion”. I think it’s key to a happy post-Christian life. All the best to you Adam5!
  13. Hey ZP, it was good hearing from you the other day. With all the shit you’ve had to deal with, all the dysfunction in your family, you’re to be congratulated on the progress you’ve made. I’m not sure how many people could have kept their heads, as you have, when all those around them were losing theirs! As for whether to go see your father or not, I’d look at it this way: do you think you’ll be likely to regret it later if you don’t? At this point I’d say you don’t owe anything to him, your mom or your sister. My concern is for you. Personally I’d probably lean toward going to see him, but I’ve not had to deal with all the crap, I’ve not had to walk in your shoes. Nobody would blame you for completely separating yourself from your family at this point. But would you blame yourself later if you didn’t go see your dad? That’s probably the only question you need to ask here. I guess that’s not much help, is it. I do wish you well and again Congratulations on your achievement! You’re on track to have a life that is much different, much better than it might have been if you weren’t so strong and determined. Keep us posted!
  14. If there is a community standard - apart from the common ground of us all being formerly Christian - it’s more a standard that withholds belief in the absence of good evidence. I think it’s accurate to say that the prevailing view here is de-facto agnostic atheism, meaning lack of belief in any god, without actual certainty. I say “de-facto” because some who occupy this position of non-belief prefer to avoid the “atheist” label in particular. But it’s non-belief nonetheless.
  15. Haha. Only if you hate them and you want them to hate you.
  16. Hi @cnfrankenstein and welcome to the community! We are always happy to get new help and I look forward to you contributing to whatever topics come up that you feel inclined to chime in on. You never know what’s going to come up on any given day! Feel free to tell more of your deconversion story, or to start a topic on whatever interests you. Again: welcome aboard. Glad to have you!
  17. Most “Christians” are in fact half-assed Christians, for this reason. In fairness though, even the most serious Christian has to ignore the parts of the Bible that contradict other parts. The challenge is to decide which parts to run with and which to ignore. Most believers leave that up to the denomination they ended up in.
  18. “Agnostic suggests Josh has no Standard and might make shit up as he goes.” This is a disappointing start from E: portraying a lack of certainty as dishonesty.
  19. Haha, yeah we are a bit top-heavy right now. Not all the Mods are very active.
  20. Hey @SerenelyBlue I’m so glad to hear you’re doing so well now! Thank you for letting us know. Sometimes we lose touch with people and wonder how they’re doing. I recall when you were much less clear-minded and more anxious. People here might not have been sure how to help you but we were sure you were not trolling us or trying to be that way. So good you got the help you needed. I trust this community helped you look at Christianity objectively once you were in a position to do that.
  21. Good observation, Myrkhoos. In 1 Timothy, Paul contradicts his views of women in the church as he expresses them elsewhere, because 1 Timothy was not written by Paul. It is widely accepted - outside of fundamentalist circles - that 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Colossians and Titus were not written by Paul though the writer claims to be Paul. These may not have been Paul's words but the ideas - including the misogyny - came to be part and parcel of Christian teaching to this day. Much Christian teaching is derived from books written by liars claiming to be Paul. Major sections of the New Testament, written by liars. Ponder that as you sip a fine whiskey and reflect how good it feels to no longer have to tie yourself in knots trying to figure out what "God" was trying to tell us. https://ehrmanblog.org/how-many-books-in-the-new-testament-were-forged/
  22. Hhand, I moved your post to the Podcasts section. The Testimonies section is for, well, testimonies. We’d be interested in hearing your story if you’re inclined to share it.
  23. It may seem that way to you now, at this stage in your deconversion process, but trust me, there are plenty of us here who are happy, thriving and godless. I never thought I could be one either, but knowledge plus the passage of time did the trick. You may be surprised.
  24. If it’s related to recovering from religion, we recommend Marlene Winell. https://journeyfree.org/
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