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  1. My friend Leah asked: Cianna, why are you know longer a christian? You may go to hell. Dear Leah Hi, there are good reasons why I am not a christian. I know you fear for my immortal soul but I will be fine. Here are the reasons why I reject Christianity. 1. Christian delusion: How many people have read the bible completely? Honestly. I know even you didn't read the whole bible yet you and other Christians believe they hold the key and that they are right and everyone else is wrong. We have no evidence whatsoever that the bible is perfect, we actually have evidence that the bible has flaws both unimportant and very serious! It cannot be denied, no matter how hard you try, you cannot convince me that the bible tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Humans cannot live for hundreds of years, the parrot is the only animal that can talk, the earth is not 6000, an ark cannot contain two of all living things. 2. Christian arrogance: There is no person more important than another, yet Christians believe that they are the chosen ones, the important ones, the people who consider themselves, the key to life's problems. Yet Jesus was depicted as humble. Arrogance is going the wrong way. 3. Christian immorality: Have you ever wondered what Christians have done in the past? Christians have terrorized the lives of thousands and brutally tortured and murdered anyone who would not convert. If you were a: Heretic, witch, homosexual, atheist, pagan, Jew, heathen, freethinker ect, prostitute, you were in critical danger if you were discovered. None of the above is a perfectly good reason to abuse and take the life of another. The bible condones the murders and bloodshed of nonchristians and this is disgusting. Christianity amorality: Most if not all Christians seem to be confused with the difference between good and evil, justice and retribution, love and indifference. Christians seem to dub everything nonchristian as evil. By definition evil means ''seeking to deliberately cause others fear, pain, torture or suffering.'' The following has been called evil: rock music, Buddhism, White magic, homosexuality, babies. There is nothing evil about any of these. The Christian God is evil. The christian god murdered more people than Hitler, passed universal punishment on everyone because of two people, forced adulterous sex, slaughtered multitudes of animals, and worse he created eternal suffering in hell. The doctrine of hell is by far the worse thing I have ever known. Fear of hell is the reason why you are christian Leah as you admitted at the start of the letter. Many Christians believe the sacrificial death of Jesus is a sign of the christian god's immense love and eternal punishment is a sign of justice. Would any sane person send their son/daughter to be horribly killed in order to forgive innocent people? What is justice really? Is eternal agony and screams getting justice? No it is retribution! The christian god is so offended by people who did not accept his gift that he get's revenge by showing his everlasting wrath upon them as they enter the fires of hell for all eternity, while God rejoices with the saints forevermore. How in any way is the christian god loving? No one is omnibenevolent( all loving) and hateful at the same time. All loving means loving all, complete love. The bible describes love perfectly: patient, kind, unjealous, unselfish, humble and so on. A vengeful god is anything but love, and he cannot create this beautiful world, that's common sense. The christian god is hypocritical, narcissistic, diabolical, and psychopathic. If you support him and worse worship him, you are a follower of evil, and if you do this out of fear of his wrath than you are a hypocrite according to the bible and still not saved. Many Christians openly admit that the christian god is a sadistic and vengeful god yet they still go to church, pretend that he's good and stand by his side. That is why I am not Christian and I believe that the christian god does not exist anyway. I hope you understand. -Cianna
  2. I thought the bible was the word of God, than I saw in the bible, hatred, racism, sexism, murder, absurdities, hypocrisy, rape, slavery, scientific errors and contradictions and went like what the hell?! If God is love and Christians believe in eternal damnation, than Christians don't really believe in god. I'm sure it makes Jesus terrified if you believe that walking in his footsteps doesn't matter, only counting on him to take up the cross for you. Hell is a state of misery but there will always be sunshine on the other side I'd rather be sent to hell than believe in a jealous vengeful god To first believe in God you must believe that there is no devil The problem of evil? We created it and we need to fix it, not God I told a christian that I'm an ex fundie and she told me no true christian leaves the path of Christ. Christ said true believers follow in his footsteps, so there are many atheists who are more christian than Christians. Satan laughs when people point the finger at him when bad things happen. Everyone claims to know what death is but no one can explain very eloquently what is life I'm going to be a witch, ''Satan has you!'' You say, but if healing the earth, praying for goodness, and respecting life is what it takes to be a part of ''the craft of the wise'', than I am a witch and no Satan would love that. Fallen angels exist not, but dark energy does I love drinking coffee, I never put a cover on the toilet, I nevered covered my hair in church, I don't plan on having children, I'm always listening to rock music and I say no to ''homophobia''. Looks like I'm going to hell according to the bible The bible says ''God's will is that all men will be saved, and nothing can thwart God's will.'' Don't insult God by preaching hellfire and everlasting wrath.'' A wrathful, vengful and judgemental God cannot create the physical beauty of our world, it is not evil's will Jesus told a man that the most important rule is to love everyone and the man said ''love is more important than rituals, sacrifices, and burnt offerings. Jesus responded by saying ''you are not far from God's kingdom.''
  3. Good questions, God is defined as the source, I'm defining a source.
  4. True God: The universe, life, and spiritual connection in all brings False God: Invisible all powerful being that lives in the sky somewhere True God: The condition of pure unconditional love False God: The being that loves only few True God: The goodness within living things False God: The being that is thought as 'just'' by Christians True God: The desire within everyone to save the world from war and violence False God: The being who desires to save everyone from the very thing he created: Eternal Damnation True God: The condition of true happiness False God: The being that gives heaven to only those who believe True God: Spiritual light/Moral values False God: Evil being with low morality True God: Inner peace within all humans False God: Being with conditional peace True God: Christians worship false God while ignoring true God False God: False God is praised and worshipped by Christians True God: Sometimes believed to be evil by Christians False God: An Evil jealous being who exists in the bible True God: Unity, Trust, and hope False God: Being whom which there exists hypocrisy, doom, and Wrath
  5. I don't like how Christians overuse the word evil, everything not of Christianity is dubbed ''evil''. ''Rock music is evil!'' ''Buddhism is evil!" ''Babies are evil!" Peace be with them.
  6. The questions need an answer that is completely undeniably reasonable. 1. How do you know the christian god exists, is it because a book tells you? 2. How do you know Satan the deceiver did not put lies in the bible an a attempt to lead us astray? 3. Do you keep an open mind that a Satanist could have told a false gospel? 4. Why would god need a human sacrifice to forgive innocent people of the sins of their ancestors? 5. ''The bible mentions how no human is more just then god.'' If I were god, I would allow all loving people into heaven, while allowing the wicked to be sent to prison(hell) til they paid the last penny, before entering paradise. Could I be more merciful than the christian god? 6. Why would an omniscient loving god create a person knowing eternal damnation awaits them after death? 7. Do you believe god committed genocide and ordered the deaths of children? 8. Do you honestly believe a god of infinite knowledge, omnipresense, purity, unconditional love, and wisdom would allow endless suffering in the most horrible place in the world? 9. Did you read and study everything in the bible? 10. Would you have chosen this path if it were not for the doctrine of an eternal hell? 11. You believe nonchristians are satanic, would Satan be leading nonchristians who spread, peace, love and happiness in order to keep our world beautiful? Wouldn't Satan instead be unhappy with them? 12. If Jesus died to save us from our sins, wouldn't the world already be saved, if not doesn't that make Jesus' death a failure? 13. If billions are going to be lost to hell forever and few enter heaven wouldn't this mean Satan won the war and is more powerful than God? 14. If Jesus said ''love the lord, with all your strength, heart and mind, and love your neighbors as yourself to have eternal life, why do you trust more in Paul's message that faith alone leads to eternal life? 15. Do you rely only on the bible for answers? 16. How can heaven be a place of perfect bliss if billions of our kind will suffer forever? 17 Why didn't God warn Adam and Eve about the serpent? 18. Why is homosexuality wicked and sinful, when it is an expression of love for another human? 19. Why does God care about the religious path a person follows and not the spiritual state of their soul? 20. Why do Christians see God being a wrathful god, when wrath is one of the seven deadly sins? 21. Why does the Christian God expect us to love our enemies, be kind to those who hate us, judge not, overcome evil with good and be merciful if he does not do these himself? 22. Why would you follow a judgemental, vindictive, jealous god? That's like following Satan. 23. Can't you see that punishment and torment to the innocent because of the guilty unjust? 24. The bible makes totally absurd remarks such as ''the earth was made out of water.'' If the bibles god's word, than absurdity in the bible means an absurd God don't you think? 25. In the bible, James says ''devils believe.'' Faith is entry into heaven right? If all demons will be saved than heaven will become hell. If Satan and his demons were already saved or waiting to be saved, than wouldn't sin no longer exist if demons tempt us to sin? 26. Why would god create the tree of knowledge knowing the fate that would befall life itself? Did God lay a mouse trap for Adam and Eve? 27. Why is the knowledge of good and evil so horrible? Would god condemn me to everlasting torment for knowing the difference between the two my entire life?
  7. A few years ago, I came upon a christian website that is represented as a hate and terror site. You make check it out. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com
  8. Hello everyone, this is Ciannism, my new religion Those who join are called a Ciannist.This is just for fun. Here are the warnings: 1. Reject religions who seek to trap you 2. Seek the truth within your own heart 3. Be careful of ego, ego will keep you away from obtaining real joy 4. Be careful of religions that breed hatred or self righteousness 5. Remain peaceful and compassionate, it will help you defeat your enemy, ego 6. Be suspicious of those who try to convert you, no religion is the only path to happiness 7. Be free in your life, what you decide is totally up to you. 8. Any act or belief that breeds or involves ego is spiritual poison 9. Know that you are a powerful and loving being from the deep internal Spiritual practices that increase spiritual growth Meditation Astral projection Lucid dreaming Any questions?
  9. Ugh, this is annoying. They do something rude or stupid and they act like it's justifyable, they're forgiven, or they're not to blame for it. Instead of saying "I'm sorry, I made a bad decision and I realize it affected you" christians will be like "I'm sorry I upset you, but it wasn't my fault, the devil tempted me to do it!" They blame an evil diety for their mistakes, neglecting responsibility for their own actions. In my opinion, a supernatural entity blame game shows a lack of maturity.
  10. Sad prayer and I feel for you but know this: You cannot find god by an external path called religion, you must look within yourself to find the answers. One finds god through a inner path(spirituality)Meditate don't pray, lucid dream don't go to church, astral travel, don't walk a thousand miles to find god or you will never find god because god is in you.
  11. Now this does not apply to all Christians but the majority of them. 1. Many Christians are self righteous: Many Christians believe that just because they are saved ''in a Pauline sense'', that they are errorless and not at fault. They think that no matter what evil thing they do, they are pardoned because they accepted Jesus as their leader and hero. 2. Many Christians don't take the time to read the bible and pay close attention: The bible is not perfect and is not the word of God. A perfect God would mean a perfect book, correct? The bible says the following: Bats are birds, rabbits chew their cud, the earth is 6000 years old, humans can live for hundreds of years, women are lower than men, snakes have feet etc. The conclusion we can draw is that the bible is not entirely true. If the bible is the word of god than God is imperfect,tyrannical,hypocritical and cruel. The errors and contradictions are easy to spot. The bible itself says that Jesus is the word of God. If Jesus is God's word than all the parts that talk about universal salvation, salvation through good deeds,women are equal to men, heaven is within and hell is within are all correct in God's eyes. 3. Many christians believe that believing Jesus is your savior means you are going to heaven: Does taking Jesus as your hero earn you eternal life in heaven? Jesus never said ''believe that I died for your sins, ask to me for forgiveness and accept me as your lord and savior, do this and you will live.''. No where in the bible does Jesus say this. This must be a lie from the christian's Satan. Jesus does say, I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but through me.'' Do you have to take Jesus as your hero to come to God? No, Jesus never said it. What does he mean that he is the only way? Many Christians mistake this for meaning faith alone in Jesus is the only way. Jesus is the only way NOT christianity. ''God is love.'' Love God with all your heart, with all your strength and with all your mind and love your neighbor as well as yourself, do this and you will live.'' That is what Jesus said. I'm going to conclude that when Jesus stated that he is only way that he is the example: Walking in his footsteps by having a beautiful view of love and practicing love for everyone including you is the way to the inner kingdom. Jesus is savior but we don't need to call on him, The message of Jesus is savior! 4. Many Christians disobey Jesus: How many Christians do we see loving their enemies, sincerely giving, praying for those who hurt them, refusing to live by the sword? Do Christians believe in Jesus? The majority of Christians are nonbelievers. ''For god so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son and who so ever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.'' Again many Christians believe this means that by having faith that Jesus is your hero means you have deathless life. In the bible, Jesus stated this ''Who so ever believes in me, will do the works I do.'' ''If you love me keep my commands.'' ''My commandment is this, that you love one another as I have loved you.'' Another verse in the bible says this: Dear friends, let us love one another, for love is god, and whoever loves has been born of god and knows god.'' Two more verses: ''These people are hypocrites, they worship me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. ''It is not by saying to me lord, lord, that you enter the kingdom of god, but by doing the will of God.'' Sermon on the mount, Sermon on the plain, and the parables are ignored by many christians. 5. Many Christians believe that evil is genetic: According to the bible, a talking snake decieves a woman named Eve into eating and sharing enchanted fruit from an enchanted tree that God had forbidden them to take from. This event is supposedly why suffering exists. In a literal sense, this is just like Pandora's box! Pandora opened up a magic box out of curiosity, that Zeus warned her not to open. After opening the box, all the evils in the world were unleashed and one good thing, hope. Zeus does not punish her because he knew that her curiosity would get the better of her. Literally, the garden of Eden makes little sense, how can evil be genetic? Babies are evil!? No, they are innocent. Also it is diabolical that a god would make everyone suffer for the sin of a guilty person, Christians need to understand this. 6. Many Christians are like the religious Pharisees of Jesus' days: Jesus hung out with sinners, he hung out with prostitutes, nonbelievers and anyone judged and tossed aside by the religions authorities. Jesus condemned their evil deeds, he warns everyone to reject the teachings of the Pharisees. ''Woe to the Pharisees who take all the keys to heaven and don't enter and don't let you enter. '' ''Beware false prophets that come to you in sheep's clothing but inward they are ravening wolves(Jesus). Many Christians believe that doctrine, dogma, and rituals are the keys to heaven, but Jesus stated that people like that have hidden the keys from us. Religion does not matter, speaking in tongues does not matter, worship Jesus or God with your lips doesn't matter, Calling upon the name of Jesus does not matter. They all hide the keys to true personal happiness. ''From their fruit they are know.'' A bad tree cannot produce good fruit and a good tree cannot produce bad fruit.'' Good fruit, the fruit of the holy spirit is love, joy, peace, self control, faithfulness, gentleness, kindness, compassion, forgiveness. (The test from Jesus to know whether or not something is morally good or wrong) ''If you love me than take up your own cross and follow me.'' (Follow in the footsteps of Jesus to be saved from entering hell) ''All people will know you are my disciples if you love one another.(disciples of Jesus practice love for others.)
  12. So was Muhammad dead serious, I suppose, or at least that's what his followers said much later, as they blew themselves up so they could eagerly die for what they believed in, while he flew away on his flying horse (so I've heard) towards Israel? Or are you saying that a quick death is less holy than a slow painful death? Have you read the Gospels? I believe Muhammad is a previous incarnation of Jesus. I've read the gospels before and it is with noting that Jesus' death was not a way to cover up sins.
  13. Jesus stated in the bible that we are all sons/daughters of god. Jesus was willing to die for what he taught, a liar would not allow himself to be brutally tortured and killed in such a horrific way for the sake of a lie. Jesus, I believed, was dead serious in what he taught.
  14. I dislike the fact that the earth is suffering because of many of us.
  15. My old Christian friend who I never see again, found out I was a white witch. She told me in a scared way ''stop practicing magic! You will go to hell! The bible says all sorcerers will not go to heaven. Firstly, a sorcerer is a magic practitioner who uses evil forces to carry out malignant magic, why would someone go to hell for using pure magic? I told my grandmother that homosexuals should be treated with respect, she said ''All of them are going to hell.'' She than also said ''atheists are going to hell.'' In my humble opinion, hell is not a place but a spiritual condition that you cause for yourself by following the ego: Hatred, anger, malice, envy,resentment, and rudeness are a part of Ego. Many christians follow ego and create hell all the time. I believe ''if your god is love, he can't create hell, you do, and you're living in it right now! How can one build hell( suffering) inside them if they live by a lack of ego? The phrase ''you are going to hell'' has little affect on me. Christians, especially fundamentalists, like to use the big scary word ''hell'' as a way to convert people and scare them into control. Hell is often likened to a horror game place: A place thousands of feet below the earth where the fires never go out, pain never ends, and supernatural beasts sadistically torture all non Christians. I find it rather amusing. Which one sounds more believable? Hell as an underground semi physical realm where suffering never ends, ruled over by the king of evil called Satan: Or hell as a spiritual state of escapable ignorance that a person makes within theirself by letting ego rule over them.
  16. Like deva, I don't believe in the christian god, I believe in true god called love,life and the universe. As wiccan, I believe that true god is in everyone and that the earth is the embodiment of the feminine aspect of God called Gaia.
  17. I am a universalist. I don't believe god would allow eternal suffering if he is all loving. Ultimate paradise, cannot be ultimate paradise, if there are people who are eternally lost.
  18. Since the ex christian spirituality forum was locked for me, I'll write down the reasons why Wicca is a great religion. 1. Environmentalism: Wiccans show a love for mother earth. We work to make sure earth remains healthy and beautiful. 2. Own authority: There is no one in Wicca to lay authority on you, each person is free to seek their own path and are free to leave without condemnation. 3. Nonviolence: Wicca is a peaceful religion that encourages it's followers to avoid harming others, physically,mentally,and psychically, unless when it is truly necessary. 4. Mysticism: Wicca is not only a religion, it is a spiritual path. Spiritual practices include: dream work, meditation, magick, and astral travel. 5. Religious tolerance: Wicca does not show hatred toward other religions. 6. Positive view on life: Wiccans view all life as sacred and worthy of respect. 7. Spirituality: Wicca encourages it's followers to look within for truth and not without. 8. All are accepted: Anyone can join and work to save the planet.
  19. Well a agnostic is just a person who is uncertain of whether or not there is a god. Agnostics keep in mind that god may exist but his existence cannot be proven or disproven. You can say agnostics are people who keep an mind that god may exist but they expect evidence, while an atheist has already made up their mind that there is no god.
  20. I wonder if Christians would be Christians if there was no heavenly eternal life.
  21. Thank you milesaway, I thought about not joining a religion but decided that wicca was suitable for my likings.
  22. Seeke001 that's what I think. I only believe that only some of the bible's teachings are true.
  23. As many of us know, the majority of Christians believe they hold the key to truth when they don't even study the bible,read it all and ignore very important verses. Eternal damnation: The belief that anyone who does not repent, will suffer in hell forever and always. Common sense tells me that a being of infinite love and mercy would not will or allow such a thing. Universal salvation: The belief that everyone will be saved, even the wicked. I know universal salvation is the work of a benevolent being. Wicked people need discipline but endless suffering is too much and cruel. Many Christians believe that universal salvation is ridiculous and a huge lie. How so? Universal salvation is in the bible, let's take a look at. I have other sheep(people)who do not belong to this fold(group)and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock, one shepherd. John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself. John 12:32 When all things are subjected to him, than the son will be subjected to the one who subjected all things under him, so that god may be all in all. 1 Corithians 15:38 For to this end we toil and struggle, because we have our hope set on the living god, who is the savior of all people, especially of those who believe(true jesus followers.) 1 Timothy 4:10 For the grace of god has appeared, bringing salvation to all. 1 titus 2:11 God our savior, wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. timothy 2:3-4 No plan of yours(god)can be thwarted.(God's plan is to have all men be saved, if people are lost forever in hell, than god who is all powerful, has failed) Job 42:2. God is love. 1. john 4:8 love never fails. (a verse about love from corithians 13 4-8.) If god is love and love never fails, than god's plan will succeed.) Neither death nor life, nor angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, nor depth nor height, nor anything else in all creation, can separate us from the love of god. Romans 8:39 Eternal is used to mean to describe the nature of hell, not experience in hell The ax is already at the roots of the trees, and any tree(person) that does not produce good fruit is cut down(judged severly) and thrown in the fire(hell's fire). I (john) baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come someone more powerful than I. He will baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat in the barn, and the chaff will burn in unquenchable fire. Matthew 3:19-12 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and enter hell, where the the fire never goes out. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom with one eye than to be thrown in hell where the worms don't die and the fires are never quenched. Mark :9 43 49 Than they will go away to eternal punishment, and the righteous to eternal life.(Notice how it says ''go away TO eternal punishment. It does not say ''go away to AN eternal punishment.'' Hell has been known by many other names: Hades, Sheol, Gehenna,ect. Eternal punishment may be another of hell's many names. After entering hell, leaving is possible No one can lay any foundation than the one already made, which is Jesus. If any man builds on this foundation using gold,silver and costly stones, his work will be shown for what it is, because the day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he built survives he will receive his reward. But if it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He will be saved, but by only as one escaping through the flames. Corithians 3:11-15 Anyone who says ''you fool!'' will be in danger of hell. Therefore if you are offering your gift at the alter, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and reconcile with your brother, than offer your gift. Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court(God's throne) Do it while you are still with him on the way or he will hand you over to the judge(God) and the judge will hand you over to the officer(jesus)and you may be thrown into prison(hell). I tell you the truth, you will not be getting out until you have paid the last penny. Matthew 5 22:26 Final words Ever heard the story of Jonas and the whale? The story is silly in a literal sense but is actually a metaphor. Jonas entered the body of a great fish/whale and suffer for 3 days until god let his out after he repented. The fish is actually a metaphor for hell.
  24. Hi faith, Christianity is based on fear and control, that is why I left.
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